Vader TKing the blasters was so weak as to be laughable. If he wanted to show the real power of the darkside he should have busted out something way bigger considering his feats.
Maul is much more focused on physical lightsaber fights than using the Force though, which is why he only really uses it to supplement his duels. Vader uses the Force alot in fights.
Lol.
TPM Maul, sure. TCW Maul? Not so much. He has choked Kenobi several times, almost to death in a comic.
Again, Starkiller. Malgus' TK feats outshines Zallow's by a lot but Zallow gave him a tough fight because of his comparable skill. Anakin is extremely powerful but is more of a duelist than a Force practitioner. Savage has used TK waves in duels before yet never did so against Ventress or Koon.
TK and the likes is certainly important when fighting someone of comparable skill and physique, but this is why I find skill and physical attributes more important than TK.
Originally posted by Intrepid37In about a week, tops? Guess after a week, Obi-Wan and Yoda never spoke again, all 19 years of training never existed, Obi-Wan just learned that one thing then decided to lose (Yes, on PURPOSE) to Vader. I doubt that was all he was taught.
Nah. Vader at the time lost to Maul. Also Vader was equal with only equal with Kenobi so there.I believe he was taught to after Sidious got destroyed.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Lol.TCW Maul? Not so much. He has choked Kenobi several times, almost to death in a comic.
Kenobi was at a disadvantage every time Maul choked him. The comic choke was on a darkside nexus. The other times you can see for yourself how Kenobi was disadvantaged.
But I agree Maul is probably Kenobi's superior in the Force. Just not by as much as you seem to be making out.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I KNOW. ANH BEN IS EQUAL TO VADER WHO IN TURN IS EQUAL TO PoD VADER SO ANH BEN >>>> DOOKU./thread.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
The hell are you talking about? He's above ROTS Kenobi, just his simple comments can make you see that. "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine." AND "You can't win, Darth." Obi-Wan isn't one to over-exaggerate.
No he's not, in fact Kenobi is usually very humble about his own abilities. But I'm pretty sure he was speaking metaphorically in both of those cases.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Obi-Wan is told he is going to be trained by Qui-Gon again at the end of ROTS, and we know canonically that during the gap between ROTS and ANH, Kenobi had trained with Yoda as well. I doubt Yoda just went Mr. Miyagi style and just said "Paint my Dagobah house" No, he trained him, so you mean to tell me that despite all that training through about 19 years meant absolutely nothing?????
No offence but three things:
1) Kenobi was training how to transcend death and appear to the living as a Force spirit, not how to be a better fighter.
2) The training did not last anywhere near 19 years since the majority of that time Ben was living in exile on Tattooine watching over Luke.
3) No, I'm quite sure that once he was on Tattooine Ben had no contact with Yoda, seeing as both of them were in hiding.
Anyway, Ben allowed Vader to kill him so that Luke and the others would flee. If he had tried to continue the fight then Luke would have gone to aid him and probably have gotten killed.
That being said, again, Ben's "you can't win Darth" was metaphorical and should not be taken literally.
I reccommend watching Jenssarai1's video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B80Jdj1bbv0
Obviously this is just his opinion but I feel he makes some very good points.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Kenobi was at a disadvantage every time Maul choked him. The comic choke was on a darkside nexus. The other times you can see for yourself how Kenobi was disadvantaged.But I agree Maul is probably Kenobi's superior in the Force. Just not by as much as you seem to be making out.