Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
In your opinion where did the idea of God originate from?
From the human mind. It is a place holder for anything we do not understand. Kind of like dark matter is used today. The only problem is someone started worshiping god, and everything has gone down hill every sense.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
From the human mind. It is a place holder for anything we do not understand. Kind of like dark matter is used today. The only problem is someone started worshiping god, and everything has gone down hill every sense.
So, someone just thought of God?
Someone did the impossible?
Someone had a thought about Someone Who supposedly does not exist?
Many people believe God does not exist so how could the impossible thought of God first arise in someone's mind?
You're telling me that someone did what you admittedly cannot do such as have a thought about Someone/something that does not already exist in some form?
This makes no sense.
You just said 3 posts back, and I quote,
"It is a fact that no one can think of something that does not exist. It is self evident."
Answer like a man my friend.
Explain your apparent contradiction.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So, someone just thought of God?
No. I think the idea evolved over time.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Someone did the impossible?
That’s not possible.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Someone had a thought about Someone Who supposedly does not exist?
No. I think the personification of god came much later.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Many people believe God does not exist so how could the impossible thought of God first arise in someone's mind?
The thought of a god is not impossible. What do you think we are talking about right now? We are talking about your god. It is not impossible to make up your god. You are assuming your god is real, and I know that it is not.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You're telling me that someone did what you admittedly cannot do such as have a thought about Someone/something that does not already exist in some form?
Did you really think I didn’t have an answer? What is your educational level?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
This makes no sense.
lol
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Answer like a man my friend.
Is that arrogance I smell?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Explain your apparent contradiction.
lol
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No. I think the idea evolved over time.That’s not possible.
No. I think the personification of god came much later.
The thought of a god is not impossible. What do you think we are talking about right now? We are talking about your god. It is not impossible to make up your god. You are assuming your god is real, and I know that it is not.
Did you really think I didn’t have an answer? What is your educational level?
lol
Is that arrogance I smell?
lol
Based on the premise established at the outset of this correspondence, it is not possible to think of something/someone that does not already exist in some form.
You conceded this point early in the conversation.
So the thought of God is impossible based on that premise.
Do you follow me?
If God didn't exist how could we be talking about Him--based on the original premise?
The personification of God is a Straw Man reply because we are still talking about constructing an idea, thought, concept, etc. that does not already exist in some form.
God--whether personified or not--is still an idea that came from somewhere.
Where is the original question.
This is the subject under discussion, please don't try to sustain a premise that we aren't even talking about.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Based on the premise established at the outset of this correspondence, it is not possible to think of something/someone that does not already exist in some form.
Nothingness is the word we use to describe this.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You conceded this point early in the conversation.
You are not making any sense. Do you conceded the fact you can’t walk on the sun? No one can walk on the sun.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
So the thought of God is impossible based on that premise.
No. It is possible to think of a god, even your god. You are just wrong.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Do you follow me?
Why do you think that the thought of god is impossible?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If God didn't exist how could we be talking about Him--based on the original premise?
Of course God exists. I am not an atheist. I just don’t believe in your god.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The personification of God is a Straw Man reply because we are still talking about constructing an idea, thought, concept, etc. that does not already exist in some form.
No, it is not a straw man! The idea of god did not start off as a person. The idea started off as nature. Basically, sun and nature worship came before the Jewish concept of a god.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God--whether personified or not--is still an idea that came from somewhere.
Humans made it up to fill in the answers to the questions they could not answer. Why does it rain, because the rain god made it rain, and so forth.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Where is the original question.
What question?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
This is the subject under discussion, please don't try to sustain a premise that we aren't even talking about.
What are you talking about? Do you mean your incorrect premise that the idea of god cannot be just made up? Well that premise is wrong.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Nothingness is the word we use to describe this.You are not making any sense. Do you conceded the fact you can’t walk on the sun? No one can walk on the sun.
No. It is possible to think of a god, even your god. You are just wrong.
Why do you think that the thought of god is impossible?
Of course God exists. I am not an atheist. I just don’t believe in your god.
No, it is not a straw man! The idea of god did not start off as a person. The idea started off as nature. Basically, sun and nature worship came before the Jewish concept of a god.
Humans made it up to fill in the answers to the questions they could not answer. Why does it rain, because the rain god made it rain, and so forth.
What question?
What are you talking about? Do you mean your incorrect premise that the idea of god cannot be just made up? Well that premise is wrong.
You admit that god exists?
Which god?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
You admit that god exists?Which god?
Yes, of course! God is real. However, humans have made images of this God. I call those gods. Notice the capitalization. I consider your god in the same way you consider the Greek gods. It is simply an image created by humans, of something they cannot understand.
This is called Buddhahood. It is not a person; it is God, and God doesn’t want to be worshiped. You see, God doesn’t want. God is one and complete.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, of course! God is real. However, humans have made images of this God. I call those gods. Notice the capitalization. I consider your god in the same way you consider the Greek gods. It is simply an image created by humans, of something they cannot understand.This is called Buddhahood. It is not a person; it is God, and God doesn’t want to be worshiped. You see, God doesn’t want. God is one and complete.
Something you cannot understand is called Buddhahood?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
A fool looks into the face of truth and says, "I need proof."
No, a fool says "I have the monopoly on truth, but I don't bear the burden of proof nor can I respect anyone else's skepticism".
JIA, you're ability to reason is slightly higher than my dog, and to be fair she understands the correlation between "car keys" and "me leaving every day" to be something other than "God made him vanish".
Aside from Shaky, who seems earnestly trying to reach some measure of sense in your mind, no one else here is relating to you on any level.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I want to know because I am trying to understand your version or idea of god.You said that god is not a person, that the god image you believe is Buddhahood.
No. That is completely wrong. I thought you were joking with me. So, what I said just went right over your head? Then never mind. I was on a rant anyways. Just forget I said anything.
Now, why do you believe that the original idea of God is impossible for humans to come up with on their own?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No. That is completely wrong. I thought you were joking with me. So, what I said just went right over your head? Then never mind. I was on a rant anyways. Just forget I said anything.Now, why do you believe that the original idea of God is impossible for humans to come up with on their own?
I was referencing your quote.
You conceded that no one can think of something that does not exist.
If what you said is true then God exists...because we can think of Him.
Based on your quote if God didn't exist, we would not be able to think of Him.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I was referencing your quote.You conceded that no one can think of something that does not exist.
If what you said is true then God exists...because we can think of Him.
Based on your quote if God didn't exist, we would not be able to think of Him.
Wait! I can think of unicorns dancing in the spring time. If it didn't exist, then how could I think of it?
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Wait! I can think of unicorns dancing in the spring time. If it didn't exist, then how could I think of it?
Shakyamunison,
at the outset of this discussion I established the conditions, rules, and parameters.
I stated,
"Friend, try to think of something that does not exist.
The only condition is that you cannot use any ideas, concepts, things, or materials that already exist in some form."
See below quote.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
A fool looks into the face of truth and says, "I need proof."Friend, try to think of something that does not exist.
The only condition is that you cannot use any ideas,
concepts, things, or materials that already exist in some form.Go.
You have violated the conditions set forth in the beginning.
You see Spring exists.
Dancing exists.
The word “uni-corn” means “one horn”.
Horns exist.
In addition, the unicorn originates from the “concept” of a horse, and horses exist.
Hence, the reason you are able to conceive of unicorns is because it descends from a preexistent concept, idea, thing, or material that already exists in some form.
You have failed this simple test.
What say you my friend?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Shakyamunison,at the outset of this discussion I established the conditions, rules, and parameters.
I stated,
Friend, try to think of something that does not exist.
The only condition is that you cannot use any ideas, concepts, things, or materials that already exist in some form
You have violated the conditions set forth in the beginning.
You see Spring exists.
Dancing exists.
The word “uni-corn” means “one horn”.
Horns exist.
In addition, the unicorn originates from the “concept” of a horse, and horses exist.
Hence, the reason you are able to conceive of unicorns is because it descends from a preexistent concept, idea, thing, or material.
You have failed this simple test.
What say you my friend?
So, unicorns don't dance in the spring time?
Nothingness cannot be imagined because nothingness does not exist. The word nothingness is only a handle. Did I say this already? I feel like I am repeating myself.
Now, what is your point?