Originally posted by Supra
Heck no, so the stormbreaker is now more powerful then before and BRB will be more powerful now?Also Odin did not seem to happy!!
Im so happy to read these scans!!
To me this proves SS is more powerful then the All Father
For every half-decent showing Surfer gets, Marvel bring him down way low with a fall from his board or a fight with Thor or Thanos where he does nothing but just blast and move - slowly - trying to reason/monologue.
That is impressive though, having conned Odin and having taken his own magics - albeit in a synthetic substitute form - and actually been responsible for bringing BRB back to life (curing cancer!).
I wonder why Marvel let Captain Marvel die of cancer, when Surfer could simply cure him with a wave of his hand.
Oh and Surfer's also healed up Thor, when Thor's own powers couldn't get the job done.
I think Surfer simply isn't of the mindset to utilise his powers fully or very much at all. Which makes him look much much less powerful. If he had the same mentality as say Superman or Thor, he would be ranked a solid tier above them.
Originally posted by janus77
lol, I wish.For every half-decent showing Surfer gets, Marvel bring him down way low with a fall from his board or a fight with Thor or Thanos where he does nothing but just blast and move - slowly - trying to reason/monologue.
That is impressive though, having conned Odin and having taken his own magics - albeit in a synthetic substitute form - and actually been responsible for bringing BRB back to life (curing cancer!).
I wonder why Marvel let Captain Marvel die of cancer, when Surfer could simply cure him with a wave of his hand.
Oh and Surfer's also healed up Thor, when Thor's own powers couldn't get the job done.
I think Surfer simply isn't of the mindset to utilise his powers fully or very much at all. Which makes him look much much less powerful. If he had the same mentality as say Superman or Thor, he would be ranked a solid tier above them.
Well hes like Reed Richards but with better powers.. always trying to reason with people instead of fighting. I give him credit for that.. a few questions though.
Can he be destroyed, is he immortal, does he age?
Originally posted by Supra
If he is immortal but can destroyed, can he reform himself?
He's been sliced and diced and reformed instantly, he's been smashed to atoms by UniLord and reformed instantly and he's completely dispersed his physical body - becoming one with a whole mountain range - only to reform instantly when The Defenders needed him.
Still, if Galactus hadn't brought him back from the dead, I think he would have remained dead after The Crunch Energies feat against Tenebrous & Aegis.
Short answer, I guess, as with everything else in comics, is it depends on who is doing the killing.
Originally posted by janus77
Within reason yes, he can return from atoms and as he has absolute control over his atoms (and phenomenal control over atoms and molecules in general) he can become anything and take any shape.He's been sliced and diced and reformed instantly, he's been smashed to atoms by UniLord and reformed instantly and he's completely dispersed his physical body - becoming one with a whole mountain range - only to reform instantly when The Defenders needed him.
Still, if Galactus hadn't brought him back from the dead, I think he would have remained dead after The Crunch Energies feat against Tenebrous & Aegis.
Short answer, I guess, as with everything else in comics, is it depends on who is doing the killing.
So then his cosmic powers make him rival god power from top skyfathers and celestials.
Originally posted by Supra
If he is immortal but can destroyed, can he reform himself?
For example in his fight with Madrukk, Surfer was reduce to mere atoms and was still conscious, alive and fighting in this form.
Another instant, when fighting the Unilord. He was reduce to atoms and reformed himself.
There are two instances as well when he was split/ cut into diff. parts and still manage to reform.
Originally posted by janus77None of that is true
I'd definitely put that black hole above the godblast. That blackhole was scary even for Thanos.
Anyway, Galactus in the first, and I'd say a tie in the second...
If the Godblast didn't exist, That thing is so far above Surfer, or any herald's output it's crazy.
Originally posted by AmbientAre you ****ing kidding me? How are they the same thing? Surfer asked a question and it remained unanswered. That's it.
[B]My recollection of it was a bit vague but you help a bit with the scan. Right there it say's when Surfer ask about his Universe at previous page. He State's "My Universe." and then the next page the narrator say's, "It will remain to be an answered for now." Same thing.
This is what im referring to when you speak about the unilord Universe which becomes the Silver Surfer Universe. It remains to be told and then it brings us to the continuity when and after the rift.Who the **** cares? Its a what if universe, once it was told, its over.
No! Bill states when Surfer was at trance, he was muttering binary code.[quote] After the beam hits him. Before that all three were investigating something. [quote]But really it makes no diff. what of importance is that the Silver light came for Surfer from the Unilord rift which correlate to my point, came and made contact/merge.And it has nothing that implies it was another silver surfer. Its just another distress signal.
Its very clear to me.Of course it is, you're believing your own fantasies.
Everything about this arc is mergence; from Grandpractioneer fey, the 9 silver Surfer, The blackbody Surfer to the Unilords defeat by his hands. All of this is merging, heck the souls gathered by the blackbodies purpose was for merging. So when the Silver Comet hit 616 Surfer, trust me that was a merging.Nice conspiracy theory Roldz, now where is your proof that it was silver surfer to begin with?
He reconfigured his form to merge with the guardian blockbody; to be able to accept the energy the blockbody consumed.So? Him re-configuring doesn't means he amped himself.
You can look at it what you like, but the point is, it made him much more than he was therefore an upgrade to his form.No he didn't. The upgrade was lost, case closed.
Dude! Where did i say he was twice as powerful.And why not? He is merged with another silver surfer who in your words is even more poweful than him. By all logic he should be twice as much powerful.
But if you want example of what made him diff. prior to that upgrade: How about; the ability to merge with body of planetary mass, higher energy projection, higher energy absorption capacity.Nope, not a single comparison was made that he was more powerful than before.
I think the problem here is simple, accepting this feat as canon to Surfer would make the gap between your boy, Supes farther and farther.Haha, sure roldz sure. Everything is connected to superman and surfer rivalry.
And you just can't have that can you. Lol'edI enjoy your desperation here. Just one small proof roldz, just one that the silver light was silver surfer. Not hard for someone like you, right?
1. Galactus
2. Thor (godblast)
Whenever these power cosmic vs. Odin force discussions come up, I point out that the fact that SS being extremely comparable to Thor speaks volumes.
Specifically Thor Odinson, god of thunder and heir to the throne of Asgard, with millennia of combat experience and Asgardian tradition, second strongest in the Asgardian pantheon and wields a weapon enchanted by his father that is one of the most powerful asgardian relics....
....is evenly matched for the most part with a middle-aged, normal physique bald scientist/philosopher that Galactus endowed with the Power Cosmic for literally all of a few seconds with a gesture.
There's only one Thor, son of Odin and god of thunder. But the manner in which Galactus can effortlessly point his finger at some bald man or glorified space cop, a petty warlord or a really big man who cuts people's heads off for his day job, and turn them into beings that can challenge Thor should give you an idea of the scope of the power cosmic from Galactus.
If you really want to make a correct comparison based on the analog of Odin and Thor, then you should look at Galactus' "son," the being he created in his own image. Tyrant.
Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
1. Galactus
2. Thor (godblast)Whenever these power cosmic vs. Odin force discussions come up, I point out that the fact that SS being extremely comparable to Thor speaks volumes.
Specifically Thor Odinson, god of thunder and heir to the throne of Asgard, with millennia of combat experience and Asgardian tradition, second strongest in the Asgardian pantheon and wields a weapon enchanted by his father that is one of the most powerful asgardian relics....
....is evenly matched for the most part with a middle-aged, normal physique bald scientist/philosopher that Galactus endowed with the Power Cosmic for literally all of a few seconds with a gesture.
There's only one Thor, son of Odin and god of thunder. But the manner in which Galactus can effortlessly point his finger at some bald man or glorified space cop, a petty warlord or a really big man who cuts people's heads off for his day job, and turn them into beings that can challenge Thor should give you an idea of the scope of the power cosmic from Galactus.
If you really want to make a correct comparison based on the analog of Odin and Thor, then you should look at Galactus' "son," the being he created in his own image. Tyrant.
You do realize that Odin can and has made Thor clones? Even at the end of Fear Itself, he waved his hand, and enchanted the weapons of the Mighty which they used to shit stomp the Worthy.
Creating high heralds with a wave of the hand isn't something beyond the capabilities of either Odin or Galactus and it's what really separates them from lesser beings like Thanos. Not to mention that the Odin Force is empowering not only the Asgardian race but the Nine Asgardian Worlds (Or Universes). And whatever connection it has to the World Tree/Cosmic Axis. From what I understand of the Power Cosmic, it permeates the Universe and can be recharged by various forms of energy such as ambient cosmic radiation. So yea, I'd say Odin's resources are more tied up.
Tyrant is more powerful then Thor but as I remember it, he was created to be a peer to Galactus and was imbued with a great deal of his power. We've seen just how powerful someone, even with a portion of direct Odin Force can be. For example, Heimdall with a small portion of the Odin Force or Thor vs. amped Thanosi (Both from an already weakened Odin).
I agree that the Odin Force is more finite then the Power Cosmic which is almost like a naturally occurring resource of the Universe but these are factors to consider when making such an observation.