Writer's Intent: Hulk vs Doomsday

One thing that I have noticed in my years at KMC is that whenever HP Doomsday is involved in a thread, someone throws around the words "writers intent" in an effort to make Doomsday nigh unbeatable. So, I plan to test that theory by posing the following question. In a match-up between Doomsday and the Hulk who would win based solely on writers intent and feats?

Writers Intent "Doomsday can evolve to beat any opponent".

Evidence: Doomsday has tanked the OE and the Guardian blast. He has faught and beaten some of DC's most powerful heroes, including but not limited to Superman, Wonder Woman, Orion. Doomsday is the only being to physically beat Superman to death. Doomsday has adapted to attacks from powerful beings such as Radiant, Waverider, and Superman+Motherbox. Doomsday has been stated by the writer in more than one issue to be able to adapt to any opponent.

Writers Intent "Hulk is the strongest there is".

Evidence: Hulk has survived damage that would kill most other heroes or villains. Throughout his nearly 50 year history this claim has been made by multiple writers in a small libraries worth of issues. Hulk has torn through "indestructible" objects as if they were moist tissue paper. When encounter a physically equal or superior opponent he has consistently been able to power up an beat those opponents, unless there is a plot device involved. Hulis battles have resulted in the shattering of reality and the breaking of worlds. Hulk has been shown to be powerful enough to punch through time.

Let the debate begin.

Ultimately, Hulk.

Hulk getting strong enough to beat Hunter Prey Doomsday is unlikely in the average portrayal but not impossible possible. After all, even non-Green Scar Hulk's have reached levels of strength I'd consider on par or above Hunter Prey's. The problem with these "writer intent" discussions is that they lead to no limit fallacies often and are very subjective. Even more so then usual comic book debates.

Anyways, if these two were to crossover, it'd probably go like the original Abomination fight. Hulk gets beat to death or something, Doomsday threatens Betty or pushes Banner, and Hulk gives him a rectal exam with his foot.

I guess, when it comes down to it, Hulk being the strongest one there is more true then Doomsday being unbeatable through evolution. To me anyways.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hulk getting strong enough to beat Hunter Prey Doomsday is unlikely in the average portrayal but not impossible possible. After all, even non-Green Scar Hulk's have reached levels of strength I'd consider on par or above Hunter Prey's. The problem with these "writer intent" discussions is that they lead to no limit fallacies often and are very subjective. Even more so then usual comic book debates.

Anyways, if these two were to crossover, it'd probably go like the original Abomination fight. Hulk gets beat to death or something, Doomsday threatens Betty or pushes Banner, and Hulk gives him a rectal exam with his foot.

I guess, when it comes down to it, Hulk being the strongest one there is more true then Doomsday being unbeatable through evolution. To me anyways.

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Writer intent. Jurgens, the creator of Doomsday said Superman would beat Hulk in a few heartbeats. The greatest hulk writer ever PAD said that superman would beat Hulk too.

For all "Hulk is the strongest one there is" shit, if there is another crossover between superman and hulk and there must be a winner, you can bet its going to be superman. Can hulk grow strong enough to beat doomsday? Yes. He wouldn't get the chance before doomsday beats the shit out of him though.

^ how did you just happen to have that at the ready? it's a specific piece of information that would otherwise be completely useless, even against the rules but you still have it..... how many gigs of comic stuff do you possess?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ how did you just happen to have that at the ready? it's a specific piece of information that would otherwise be completely useless, even against the rules but you still have it..... how many gigs of comic stuff do you possess?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=371890&pagenumber=117#post14573041

But yeah, Hulk is no match for superman in a fight. Even PAD agrees to that. In a superman comic? "A few heartbeats" "no contest." Take that you puny small god.

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All pieces if knowledge are trivial until they are used and Abhi is quiet comically obsessed. I like to think he makes up for all the marvel bias on kmc.

Originally posted by Decimus
All pieces if knowledge are trivial until they are used and Abhi is quiet comically obsessed. I like to think he makes up for all the marvel bias on kmc.

I will take the knowledge and the opinion of Peter David over most people when it comes to the Hulk

So the poll will come down to be a popularity contest but for someone like David to give the win to a Pre Dos Superman speaks volumes.

Also Greg Pak believes Darkseid can bust a planet while Hulk needs to reach WB mode to do this, funny thing is that by Pak's own writing in a comic Superman has the physical strength to challenge a world breaker like Darkseid.

And this is based on HIS own depiction of power levels.

DD will win not only because of adaptability, but because he is tougherand has dynamic strength as well. IMO

B-but carver knows more about hulk than PAD!!! Haven't you seen his last 40000 posts on KMC brimming with hulk knowledge?

Doomsday would **** hulk up.

Doomsday on average.

Trying to impose Superman's number one hero factor on Doomsday is illogical. A writer given Superman the win by the virtue of being Superman should not apply to Doomsday.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I will take the knowledge and the opinion of Peter David over most people when it comes to the Hulk

So the poll will come down to be a popularity contest but for someone like David to give the win to a Pre Dos Superman speaks volumes.

Tbf, Peter David's reasoning seemed to revolved around Superman's versatility. Doomsday trying to out-brawl the Hulk is an entirely different situation as plays directly to his strength. And Jurgens/David (I think it was them) had an all out (Post-Dos Superman mind you) just barely beat Professor Hulk. So you know, that's probably a more relevant basis for your reasoning.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Also Greg Pak believes Darkseid can bust a planet while Hulk needs to reach WB mode to do this, funny thing is that by Pak's own writing in a comic Superman has the physical strength to challenge a world breaker like Darkseid.

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What? Where did Pak say that Hulk needed to reach World Breaker levels to bust planets? Even at the EARLY stages of World Breaker, Hulk was a danger to the planet with his mere footsteps.

It's one thing to assume Hunter Prey Doomsday would win (On average anyways) but these leaps in logic just undermine your entire argument. Hulk was said to be a planetary threat on his WAY to Planet Hulk fyi.

And for what it's worth, I remember Greg Pak making it clear Hulk would beat Superman during World War Hulk.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Writer intent. Jurgens, the creator of Doomsday said Superman would beat Hulk in a few heartbeats. The greatest hulk writer ever PAD said that superman would beat Hulk too.

For all "Hulk is the strongest one there is" shit, if there is another crossover between superman and hulk and there must be a winner, you can bet its going to be superman. Can hulk grow strong enough to beat doomsday? Yes. He wouldn't get the chance before doomsday beats the shit out of him though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
B-but carver knows more about hulk than PAD!!! Haven't you seen his last 40000 posts on KMC brimming with hulk knowledge?

All pray to the gamma prophet pray

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Trying to impose Superman's number one hero factor on Doomsday is illogical. A writer given Superman the win by the virtue of being Superman should not apply to Doomsday.

Tbf, Peter David's reasoning seemed to revolved around Superman's versatility. Doomsday trying to out-brawl the Hulk is an entirely different situation as plays directly to his strength. And Jurgens/David (I think it was them) had an all out (Post-Dos Superman mind you) just barely beat Professor Hulk. So you know, that's probably a more relevant basis for your reasoning.

What ever advantage of versatility Superman or the JLA had over Doomsday was useless, meaning that versatility advantage vs Doomsday will not play a role as big as it will play with Hulk.
The VS battle on the printed book has to be approved by both companies. The interview answer does not has to be approved by the company, is an opinion shared by the writer. So I rather go with their honest opinion than with a battle portrayed to appease fans and company suits. But to be fair, I could see it as a possible outcome of the fight as Superman basically out-brawl the Hulk.

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What? Where did Pak say that Hulk needed to reach World Breaker levels to bust planets? Even at the EARLY stages of World Breaker, Hulk was a danger to the planet with his mere footsteps.

Thus I refer to it as WB mode and he did not say it specifically, he showed it, by portraying the Hulk irradiating green energy (WB mode)

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's one thing to assume Hunter Prey Doomsday would win (On average anyways) but these leaps in logic just undermine your entire argument. Hulk was said to be a planetary threat on his WAY to Planet Hulk fyi.

Ummmm.... yes I know I have said this forever, that hulk fanboys are wanking over a feat that has been achievable since the 70's

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And for what it's worth, I remember Greg Pak making it clear Hulk would beat Superman during World War Hulk.

Yet his portrayal of planet busters says other wise, you have a problem with that? get it to him, I am just showing what he portrays on HIS comics

Originally posted by Brockalizer
That would be relevant if this was a Hulk vs Superman thread, but it isn't. Doomsday lacks the heat vision and maneuverability that both writers stated Superman would need to win. I have yet to see anything that would indicate that Hulk is significantly slower than Doomsday. Try showing a scan of Doomsday "making people look like statues" the way Superman has. You can because it doesn't exist. Someone simply saying that Doomsday is as fast as Flash isn't good enough. There needs to be actual on panel proof of him moving that fast, like covering hundreds of miles in the blink of an eye. Doomsday Wars isn't good enough. That version had Brainiacs mind, there is no way to prove that he was able to take out Flash with speed, rather than simply using intelligence to predict where Flash would be, just like when Deadshot stabbed the Flash. Hulk was smashing the indestructible decades before Doomsday was even conceptualized.

Well this will be really simple, If hulk has a feat where he basically defeats an equivalent team with one hand tied behind his back or something equivalent to that.

Hulk has tons of feats over the many years he has, so it should be easier for him to have a similar feat

Doomsday does not has the feats to compete vs Hulk or Superman, but under his original writer he was portrayed as very powerful.

Superman using his versatility edge over Hulk to beat him =/= Doomsday beating Hulk through brawling and adaptability. Writer intent for Hulk has also changed quite dramatically since then.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Superman using his versatility edge over Hulk to beat him =/= Doomsday beating Hulk through brawling and adaptability. Writer intent for Hulk has also changed quite dramatically since then.