Writer's Intent: Hulk vs Doomsday

Yup, according to Casey nobody can stop not holding back Superman. Not even Galactus.

"Who can beat Superman when he goes into that unconscious ‘Probe-busting mode’ as he did in ADVENTURES 594?"

And then I threw out the names, and assumed he’d think I was just being silly:

RC: Juggernaut? Doomsday? Galactus? No one short of Imperiex himself?

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And then he laid down the law, simple as that.

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JOE CASEY: At that point, Superman is unbeatable. Had he not snapped out of it when Doomsday got fried, he might’ve been able to stop Imperiex right then and there.

http://www.comicboards.com/joecasey-rc.php

Take that puny hulk.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I don't know if you like to play dumb, but your game is quite tiresome at times

LOL, I would like to see Pak making those same claims 1 or 2 years into Superman's books. Look at the scans posted and that is giving you a preview of what He has in mind for Superman. Also Joe Casey stated in an interview that nothing not even Galactus can defeat a no mental block Superman. Do I believe this is true and preach it like gospel? NO, I don't. Unlike you. So whats the point here?

Fail Carver, I do not care for what the Wizard magazine has to say about the matter, I care for what PETER DAVID has to say about it, and
Peter David's opinion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yours. IMO

and lol at your silly attempt to discredit the Wizard Magazine while YOU have said before numerous times that Superman's top speed is 2000 mps. Like I said I don't care what the wizard magazine has to say about this matter, I care what PETER DAVID former writer of the Hulk for 12 years + 11 issues has to say about it. Peter David EXPLORED most hulk incarnations like NO OTHER writer.

😂 so Darkseid Omegas destroying a planet proves to us he is Hulks equal physically?.😆

Come on Rao. Like I've stated before, if you want to do match comparison, you would lose since Hulk lungs is more powerful than a guy that held a planet on his shoulders and held the universe with brute strength alone.

Lol...Pak wrote Hulk and is writing Superman and he pretty much said a holding back Hulk would kill (not beat, but kill) Superman. You showing me Darkseid taking out a planet with Omegas (lol) isn't helping your case. You showing me scans back in the 90s when Hulk power level has changed drastically doesn't help you either. I could make a claim that WWH lungs>>>Superman if I want since Herc fts of strength poops all over current Superman (that's IF I use your debating style, which I'm not).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yup, according to Casey nobody can stop not holding back Superman. Not even Galactus.

http://www.comicboards.com/joecasey-rc.php

Take that puny hulk.

Pak gave Hulk the feats which adds more weight than Casey's opinion.

Originally posted by Galan007
Regarding Darkseid's planet-busting feat: carver is correct.

While we know that Darkseid destroyed a planet, we do not know how he did so.

It could have been accomplished through physical means, or it could have been accomplished through energy-based means. We just don't know.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
That is his opinion but Superman did not do so. He was saved from Imperiex. The funny thing is this writer seems as cuckoo as they come. I can never take anything this guy says seriously.

Pak gave Hulk the feats which adds more weight than Casey's opinion.

Also, for someone that can take out Imperiex, why did Superman almost die from one attack from Imperiex Prime? Darkseid had to save him.

Originally posted by Galan007
Regarding Darkseid's planet-busting feat: carver is correct.

While we know that Darkseid destroyed a planet, we do not know how he did so.

It could have been accomplished through physical means, or it could have been accomplished through energy-based means. We just don't know.

While that might be true, the depiction of the battle is that of a physical confrontation and Darkseid has his fist ready to punch Izaya in the previous panel of the planet busting.

But yeah I agree We are not 100% sure how this was accomplished, though by the depiction of the battle I will tend to say that it was physical means while this depicted was energy based

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
As for "other writers" and "old reviews" believe me, I think the word of Peter David is better that the word of Scan Daddy. Other writers have stated and shown that Superman will destroy the Hulk, lets take Joe Casey for example, he had the Hulk getting choke by a giant snake, while he portrayed Superman with standing the pressure of the center of the earth and a star. and that is just one example.

Are you serious with this? So because Hulk had one low showing and Superman had a high end showing under this same writer, it means Superman....

Actually nvm. Going to stick on topic. Ugh, f*cking Superman. EVERY SINGLE F*CKING TIME. It's like the entire fanbase has an inferiority complex.

No evidence Darkseid destroyed the planet physically.

Originally posted by carver9
Also, for someone that can take out Imperiex, why did Superman almost die from one attack from Imperiex Prime? Darkseid had to save him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Are you serious with this? So because Hulk had one low showing and Superman had a high end showing under this same writer, it means Superman....

Actually nvm. Going to stick on topic. Ugh, f*cking Superman. EVERY SINGLE F*CKING TIME. It's like the entire fanbase has an inferiority complex.

This is going to turn ugly soon. Good luck trying to deal with carver and quan salsa. I'm going to heed bada's advice. Not eager to get banned again.

😆 @ Rage calling a fanbase with inferiority complex. Comedy gold right there.

Originally posted by carver9
😂 so Darkseid Omegas destroying a planet proves to us he is Hulks equal physically?.😆

You are not sure if that is OE, actually most likely by the depiction of the fight is physical

Originally posted by carver9
Come on Rao. Like I've stated before, if you want to do match comparison, you would lose since Hulk lungs is more powerful than a guy that held a planet on his shoulders and held the universe with brute strength alone.

Really? This is the most silly number throw in the history of comics, but I know you love to that

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Pak wrote Hulk and is writing Superman and he pretty much said a holding back Hulk would kill (not beat, but kill) Superman. You showing me Darkseid taking out a planet with Omegas (lol) isn't helping your case. You showing me scans back in the 90s when Hulk power level has changed drastically doesn't help you either. I could make a claim that WWH lungs>>>Superman if I want since Herc fts of strength poops all over current Superman (that's IF I use your debating style, which I'm not).

And Casey wrote Superman to be more powerful than Galactus what's your point?

Like I said PETER DAVID >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your opinion 😉

In other words I care for what Peter David has to say in the matter because he wrote the hulk for 12 years, so I believe he is a more accurate source of information than lets say you.

Also I will agree with Pak that a regular Superman will porbably loose vs a WB mode Hulk so I can see Paks view too, but also I can see a Joe Casey's Superman pooping all over Pak's Hulk's

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Are you serious with this? So because Hulk had one low showing and Superman had a high end showing under this same writer, it means Superman....

Actually nvm. Going to stick on topic. Ugh, f*cking Superman. EVERY SINGLE F*CKING TIME. It's like the entire fanbase has an inferiority complex.

I was bringing other examples and Casey has that point of view on those two characters, If you read Caseys run of HULK and then you read Casey's run on Superman you will notice a big difference on the power level He portrayed both.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
What ever advantage of versatility Superman or the JLA had over Doomsday was useless, meaning that versatility advantage vs Doomsday will not play a role as big as it will play with Hulk.
The VS battle on the printed book has to be approved by both companies. The interview answer does not has to be approved by the company, is an opinion shared by the writer. So I rather go with their honest opinion than with a battle portrayed to appease fans and company suits. But to be fair, I could see it as a possible outcome of the fight as Superman basically out-brawl the Hulk.

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You're still comparing apples to oranges. There's a reason why Surfer's versatility means a lot more against Hulk then Thor despite how Thor matches up with Hulk.

How do you not understand that Peter David saying Superman can beat Hulk by using flight etc. to set some sort of trap up for Hulk is not applicable to Doomsday? There is a huge difference between Superman winning because of heat vision and flight and Doomsday winning by out punching Hulk. Not to mention Hulk's stature has grown in the last two decades more then any other character's I can think of.

So Hulk did as well as he did because Marvel couldn't stand to have him embarrassed or something? Lol. Ironically, that's an argument many would use for Superman and I'd guess how you'd feel about using interviews in favor of what happens in crossovers in his situation.

Superman used his flight and heat vision to his advantage in that fight, it wasn't a simple slug fest. Also, you do realize that this is the post DC vs. Marvel interview they did in Wizard that you're referencing? The fact that Hulk was in the Professor era (And they didn't even bring up angrier/stronger factor) makes the use of this even more pointless.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Ummmm.... yes I know I have said this forever, that hulk fanboys are wanking over a feat that has been achievable since the 70's

World Breaker's feat wasn't impressive JUST because his battle resulted in planetary destruction. The fact that you do not understand this like two years later is outright troubling as I'm sure this has been explained to you like a dozen times.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Yet his portrayal of planet busters says other wise, you have a problem with that? get it to him, I am just showing what he portrays on HIS comics

Hulk destroying a planet as World Breaker and Darkseid doing so doesn't in itself mean that Darkseid and World Breaker Hulk are automatically physical equals or peers (Not to mention Darkseid probably used energy powers IIRC).

These conclusions make absolutely no sense in light of the evidence we have. As far as Pak is concerned World War Hulk is easily as strong as elite top tiers and can climb far higher before even reaching World Breaker.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
You are not sure if that is OE, actually most likely by the depiction of the fight is physical

Really? This is the most silly number throw in the history of comics, but I know you love to that

And Casey wrote Superman to be more powerful than Galactus what's your point?

Like I said PETER DAVID >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your opinion 😉

In other words I care for what Peter David has to say in the matter because he wrote the hulk for 12 years, so I believe he is a more accurate source of information than lets say you.

Also I will agree with Pak that a regular Superman will porbably loose vs a WB mode Hulk so I can see Paks view too, but also I can see a Joe Casey's Superman pooping all over Pak's Hulk's

You are the only one that is saying physical.

Lol..ok, stick to your 90s scan while I hold on to a more current source.

Lol again, Pak said WWH would kill Superman...WBH wasn't even introduced yet when Pak said this. WBH would melt Superman with a punch.

With that said, all of your attempts failed. You really don't have an argument here. Just give it up buddy.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
But yeah I agree We are not 100% sure how this was accomplished, though by the depiction of the battle I will tend to say that it was physical means while this depicted was energy based

So yea hulk wins

Originally posted by abhilegend
Jurgens' superman was less than a nuisance to Jurgens' doomsday. So was Superman. This is the same Jurgens who had superman no sell adamantium cutting lasers like nothing BTW.

You asked for writer intent and I provided two writers' intents. Sorry its not for your liking.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Doomsday is only comparable to hulk via comparison with superman since he doesn't have any independent feats like Hulk does.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Using your logic a Kryptonite hollow point to the skull would kill Doomsday, since it would kill Superman.

It might, seeing as Kryptonite hurts Doomy too.

If after 20 years Doomsday still doesn't have enough of his own feats to win a battle based on feats then Hulk wins by default.

My next thread, Living Tribunal vs Superman benchpressing thread 😈