Originally posted by FrothByteThe spell won't work just based on the mechanics of it, It requires the user to want to cause pain to the victim in an almost sadistic manner, it can't be used by just anyone and that was proved in the goblet of fire when harry attempted to use it on Bellatrix. No one in Hogwarts as far as im aware has that type of mindset.
I'm waiting for proof on how crucio won't work. This is like saying Legolas is immune to bullets since no elven creature have ever been shown to be harmed by bullets. This is reverse thinking. It should be, until Legolas proves he is bulletproof then he is considered vulnerable. Same with the Balrog.Crucio is not a physical manifestation of pain or injury. It's magical and psychological. The Balrog CAN feel pain, and it has been proven to be vulnerable to magic since Gandalf did defeat it with magic. So why won't crucio work on it? Because it is made of rocks? That's some real shallow reasoning there.
Besides, it's not just crucio. Hogwartz can throw a whole lot of immobilization spells at it. And now people are going to tell me "prove that immobilization spells work". And I say, prove that immobilization spells don't work.
Originally posted by thanos-primeSnape. Harry was also younger and far less skilled as a wizard during OOTP than he is by the final films.
The spell won't work just based on the mechanics of it, It requires the user to want to cause pain to the victim in an almost sadistic manner, it can't be used by just anyone and that was proved in the goblet of fire when harry attempted to use it on Bellatrix. No one in Hogwarts as far as im aware has that type of mindset.
Originally posted by thanos-prime
The spell won't work just based on the mechanics of it, It requires the user to want to cause pain to the victim in an almost sadistic manner, it can't be used by just anyone and that was proved in the goblet of fire when harry attempted to use it on Bellatrix. No one in Hogwarts as far as im aware has that type of mindset.
There's Snape. And that crazy teacher with the rotating eye.
Plus like I said, people here are behaving as if crucio and avada cadavra are the only spells the Hogwartz wizards know how to use.
Originally posted by quanchi112It doesn't matter if you want to use the spell unless you truly wish to cause the victim pain. I don't know if it would work, the spell causes great pain which might stop a wizard by messing with their mental faculties, but the Balrog is purely physical. So I think it could work on the Balrog but not sure if it could stop it.
Skill is wanting to implement it. I take it you agree it works though, right ?
Originally posted by FrothByteWere they present at Hogwarts during the events of the seventh movie? Because that's the location and scenario of the thread.
There's Snape. And that crazy teacher with the rotating eye.Plus like I said, people here are behaving as if crucio and avada cadavra are the only spells the Hogwartz wizards know how to use.
It's very likely the opposite these being two of the unforgivable curses they more than likely would not use them, barring a few people.
Originally posted by thanos-primeThe Balrog would be down and at the mercy of the spell. There is no reason why it wouldn't work. You need to prove why the Balrog can resist it.
It doesn't matter if you want to use the spell unless you truly wish to cause the victim pain. I don't know if it would work, the spell causes great pain which might stop a wizard by messing with their mental faculties, but the Balrog is purely physical. So I think it could work on the Balrog but not sure if it could stop it.
Originally posted by quanchi112The spell works by causing pain, if you can withstand pain which given the fact that the Balrog can fall from extreme heights then fight for days I believe he can, then I think he could muscle through the pain or atleast muster the ability to attack.
The Balrog would be down and at the mercy of the spell. There is no reason why it wouldn't work. You need to prove why the Balrog can resist it.
Originally posted by thanos-primeThat wasn't constant unbearable magical pain. Balrog took damage in a fight and was defeated. Crucio is unrelenting pain caused by magic.
The spell works by causing pain, if you can withstand pain which given the fact that the Balrog can fall from extreme heights then fight for days I believe he can, then I think he could muscle through the pain or atleast muster the ability to attack.
Originally posted by thanos-prime
The spell works by causing pain, if you can withstand pain which given the fact that the Balrog can fall from extreme heights then fight for days I believe he can, then I think he could muscle through the pain or atleast muster the ability to attack.
The Balrog is physically tough. Seemingly immune to human weapons and like you said, can survive falling from extreme heights. It still feels pain though, as Gandalf was able to hurt it.
Crucio is not physical pain though. It makes you "feel" pain. So it doesn't matter how physically tough the Balrog is, as long as it can feel pain then I don't see why it should be immune to this.
As for whether Snape or Moody was in Hogwartz in the 7th movie, I don't remember exactly, I think they were in and out throughout the movie. I'll need to wait for someone with better knowledge to confirm this for me.
Originally posted by FrothByteI wasn't debating it's ability to feel pain but it's ability to endure pain which it can clearly do given it's fight with Gandalf.
The Balrog is physically tough. Seemingly immune to human weapons and like you said, can survive falling from extreme heights. It still feels pain though, as Gandalf was able to hurt it.Crucio is not physical pain though. It makes you "feel" pain. So it doesn't matter how physically tough the Balrog is, as long as it can feel pain then I don't see why it should be immune to this.
As for whether Snape or Moody was in Hogwartz in the 7th movie, I don't remember exactly, I think they were in and out throughout the movie. I'll need to wait for someone with better knowledge to confirm this for me.
Originally posted by thanos-prime
Im gonna have to rewatch the series, I don't remember enough about the spell and such to really debate if it would work or not.But that's really besides the point as I said before I don't think there's anyone in Hogwarts given the scenario with the ability to use crucio.
It's too big an assumption to say no one in hogwartz has the ability to use crucio. Just because you're not normally in a state of mind to do cruel things doesn't mean you won't do it if your life is on the line.
I don't bite people when I get into a fist fight, but if my life depended on it then I wouldn't hesitate to bite, pull hair, or poke the eyes of my attacker.
Plus like I said, crucio is not the only spell available to the wizards. They can probably just immobilize it or something.
Originally posted by thanos-prime
I wasn't debating it's ability to feel pain but it's ability to endure pain which it can clearly do given it's fight with Gandalf.
I agree that it has shown considerable ability to withstand pain and magic, as demonstrated with his fight against Gandalf.
The principle of crucio however is that it makes you feel as much pain as you can feel. It doesn't matter how big or tough you are, you just feel as much pain as you can feel.
What should give the Balrog some advantage is that it has shown a degree of magical resistance, as it was able to combat Gandalf for so long. But it will be facing a whole school or wizards not just 1, plus they'll be inside a building that has a whole load of magic embedded into it.
I think that's just too much for the Balrog.
Originally posted by FrothByteMomentary anger and righteous anger dont work, you have to want to cause pain to enjoy it. Im not debating who wins infact i lean more toward hogwarts on that, im just arguing against the use of the unforgivable curses.
It's too big an assumption to say no one in hogwartz has the ability to use crucio. Just because you're not normally in a state of mind to do cruel things doesn't mean you won't do it if your life is on the line.I don't bite people when I get into a fist fight, but if my life depended on it then I wouldn't hesitate to bite, pull hair, or poke the eyes of my attacker.
Plus like I said, crucio is not the only spell available to the wizards. They can probably just immobilize it or something.