Originally posted by Delta1938
So sorry Superman is superior to Hulk, even in strength, so you have to ignore on-panel evidence. 🙁 I know it hurts buddy, but don't be dishonest.
Long time no debate. As for your comment, what you are implying happens with every character/hero. They hold back, it's what they do but when push comes to shove, they display power that they are unfamiliar at using. Superman unleashing like never before doesn't mean he has dynamic strength. Nice scans though but none of that proved he has dynamic strength.
Originally posted by carver9
Long time no debate. As for your comment, what you are implying happens with every character/hero. They hold back, it's what they do but when push comes to shove, they display power that they are unfamiliar at using. Superman unleashing like never before doesn't mean he has dynamic strength. Nice scans though but none of that proved he has dynamic strength.
You're either in massive denial, or your reading comprehension is extremely lacking. I don't think you're dumb, so you're in denial. :-( So sorry buddy. I bet you can't answer the questions I asked in the post with the scans.
Originally posted by Delta1938
You're either in massive denial, or your reading comprehension is extremely lacking. I don't think you're dumb, so you're in denial. :-( So sorry buddy. I bet you can't answer the questions I asked in the post with the scans.
Didn't see your question but you did use scans from OWAW which takes away from your entire argument since Superman wasn't STRONG enough to move War World under his own power...which resulted in him Sundipping. Stop getting so angry...this is a friendly debate.
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Originally posted by carver9
Didn't see your question but you did use scans from OWAW which takes away from your entire argument since Superman wasn't STRONG enough to move War World under his own power...which resulted in him Sundipping. Stop getting so angry...this is a friendly debate.😠
Where was I angry?
And you mean where Superman needed a Sun-Dip to move Warworld, with engines that move it FTL, and had the massive energy source of Imperiex Prime(energy from several GALAXIES), and was further empowered by its connection to Apokolips? That's just a "tad" more than planet moving. Fail buddy. 😛
Originally posted by Delta1938
Where was I angry?And you mean where Superman needed a Sun-Dip to move Warworld, with engines that move it FTL, and had the massive energy source of Imperiex Prime(energy from several GALAXIES), and was further empowered by its connection to Apokolips? That's just a "tad" more than planet moving. Fail buddy. 😛
Huh? If you have dynamic strength, why not just access it? Why not move the planet without resorting to a plot that he had no idea of the consequences?
Originally posted by carver9
Huh? If you have dynamic strength, why not just access it? Why not move the planet without resorting to a plot that he had no idea of the consequences?
Because nobody said dynamic strength is limitless. Which is what people don't seem to be grasping.
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TBH, Bada and I have talked about this, and we both agree he has dynamic strength. So, while I don't want to make it a mod ruling, I would appreciate it if everyone moved on and got back to the debate. As no, this really isn't that relevant to the discussion.
Originally posted by carver9True. Why not access your dynamic strength to make yourself stronger? He could have did it to defeat BA, DD, CM and a lot of other when he himself said he did not hold back and was the most pissed. Not one of them seen anything new in superman just because he was pissed and when he and CM fused, it was superman himself in awe, there was no mention of CM knowing about supermans hidden dynamic strength and CM had FULL access to supermans abilities just like superman had to CM. CM felt NOTHING that he did not already know about superman. Superman was the one getting a power boost from Marvel. Their strength IS and have always been comparable to the other period. a none holding back superman will always be equal to a none holding back CM and neither can will or change that without some form of amp, thats DCs view, not mines.
Huh? If you have dynamic strength, why not just access it? Why not move the planet without resorting to a plot that he had no idea of the consequences?
Originally posted by JBLI can see part of your problem. You have trouble comprehending. Pr already posted this:
True. Why not access your dynamic strength to make yourself stronger? He could have did it to defeat BA, DD, CM and a lot of other when he himself said he did not hold back and was the most pissed. Not one of them seen anything new in superman just because he was pissed and when he and CM fused, it was superman himself in awe, there was no mention of CM knowing about supermans hidden dynamic strength and CM had FULL access to supermans abilities just like superman had to CM. CM felt NOTHING that he did not already know about superman. Superman was the one getting a power boost from Marvel. Their strength IS and have always been comparable to the other period. a none holding back superman will always be equal to a none holding back CM and neither can will or change that without some form of amp, thats DCs view, not mines.
Originally posted by -Pr-Everyone back to the topic.
I would appreciate it if everyone moved on and got back to the debate. As no, this really isn't that relevant to the discussion.
Originally posted by Delta1938no, YOU don't get it.
I don't think you're getting what Abhi(and I) are saying. Superman's durability during most of DOS was his "standard level" before the Kryptonite X(and later Mongul II training and other) power-up(s). When Lois was threatened, mental blocks were dropped and his powers went up.
Pr said he was "holding back", well that connotation means it's implied he was consciously willing to limit himself in both attack and defense. all i'm doing is trying to ascertain how that's even logical, him having the power to do so is not really the answer i was looking for as it was a "how" answer and not a "why he's doing it" one
Originally posted by psycho gundam
no, YOU don't get it.Pr said he was "holding back", well that connotation means it's implied he was consciously willing to limit himself in both attack and defense. all i'm doing is trying to ascertain how that's even logical, him having the power to do so is not really the answer i was looking for as it was a "how" answer and not a "why he's doing it" one
Holding back isn't always conscious; I should have specified earlier.
Sure, there is some level of hesitation with Superman, where he physically doesn't hit as hard as he can because, as he has for years, Superman worries about how powerful he actually is, and if he'll be seen as a god.
But there's also the fact that, after learning such rigorous self control, it's gotten to the stage where there's a subconscious level of restraint too, that has to be overcome.
While I'm sure Jurgens never intended for Superman to be holding back during the fight, the problem arises with the retcon. If we don't follow the retcon, then Superman and Doomsday most likely kill each other, imo.
Superman stated that the harder he fought, the more Doomsday liked it.
Basically the harder Superman fought, the more intense Doomsday became and harder to fight.
Doomsday adapts to current battle situations.
Even if Superman didn't hold back in the beginning, Doomsday would have just matched his intensity.
DD wins or they both kill each other.
Originally posted by ToughMind
Superman stated that the harder he fought, the more Doomsday liked it.Basically the harder Superman fought, the more intense Doomsday became and harder to fight.
Doomsday adapts to current battle situations.
Even if Superman didn't hold back in the beginning, Doomsday would have just matched his intensity.
DD wins or they both kill each other.
Superman failed to hurt DD until he was near death. All of that fighting and not once hurt DD at all? That means Superman finally hurt DD when he stopped holding back. Otherwise, he would have never been able to hurt DD. The writer already said that Superman was holding back the entire fight until the very end.
DD wasn't shown nor written to adapt on the fly in mid battle. He gained that ability in HP. Before that it was stated that he must die first before he adapted.
