Ulquiorra's lanza is indeed country level

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
A for effort with the attempt at a debunk, but let me point a few things out, princess.

Considering the fact that you have no basis on which to back that assumption up, yes.

1. Nel states it takes 3 days to cross Las Noches by walk
2. Las Noches has its own climate along with a sky with clouds, which has to be a few miles high
3. The ends of LN on any direction aren't visible when they are inside it, though the human eye can see for 3 miles before the horizon
4. Ichigo (who can run for a day on a treadmill), was tired after running towards Las Noches for several hours, and yet they didn't make it any closer.
Assuming he ran only for 3 hours at peak human speeds, 3*20 = 60 km.
LN has to be larger than this since they didn't get any closer.

- Fodders in Bleach like Shikai Ikkaku have absolutely zero statements or feats that point to them being capable of even small building busting. It's cute that you think it's okay to make baseless assumptions and statements about characters when the only "proof" you have is your own twisted, biased opinion.

Chapter 67 page 17: Pre-SS arc Ichigo rips a huge canyon destroying a few small hills in the process, and this is an MCB+ feat. Ikkaku is stronger than that Ichigo.

Chapter 204 page 20: Shikai Ikkaku tanks an MCB+ attack that dwarfs skyscrapers.

- Las Noches has never been stated to be anywhere near city sized.

Debunk the above points if you want to prove its smaller than a city.

The fact that Ichigo's cero also dwarfed LN when it wasn't even as large as released Yammy is enough to disprove this. 👆

Think twice before typing bullshit.

- That never happened. He destroyed an illusion barrier in bankai.

- Aizen said Yamamoto's attack would destroy the barrier covering the city and potentially cause humans to be subjugated to harm in the vicinity.

Aizen: "If you hadn't blocked the explosion with your body, then your fragile little barrier would have been blown away, and an area many times the size of Karakura town would be reduced to ash"

- First off, it's 3 RI, or approximately 12 km, not 24, you douche bag Bleach wanker.

Hitsugaya's bankai can freeze anything within 12 km radius, which makes its diameter 24 km

Secondly, Hitsugaya uses the entire sky as a medium for his freezing. Causing snow to rain down for 12 km is NOT city busting, but merely having a technique that can cover a 12 km diameter. That's like saying that a collection of rain clouds can city bust. Literally.

Hitsugaya's bankai doesn't fire energy blasts, its technically ice. Freezing all the buildings within 24 km is city level.

Lol at someone who has demonstrated to be incapable of even destroying a single hill to be a town buster. 👆

You power scaled by saying Yusuke could mountain bust even though he never has demonstrated being able to, iirc.

That is not de-scaling. If Ulquiorra can destroy an Island, even Aizen can.

Obviously, but he still hasn't shown anything capable of town busting. If he had used a weaker attack to town bust, then that attack could easily town+ bust. However, he has not, meaning that he is incapable of town busting with even his strongest demonstrated attack. 👆

No, by my logic, Frieza destroyed planets casually because he wanted to for whatever reason. Super Buu didn't because he wanted a challenge. He wanted someone who could fight him on par, without getting utterly shat on. Even Frieza wanted to fight SSJ Goku, and said he didn't destroy Namek for that SOLE reason, even though he set it to blow after five minutes to ensure Goku's death.

His blasts were concentrated.

By your logic, someone who wanted to do as much damage possible couldn't town bust, even though someone much weaker could "island bust"... Hmm... Do you see the problem here?

2. Aizen's blasts are much more potent, but their AoE is not as much as Ulquiorra's or Shikai Yamamoto's

Wrong. You need to do the opposite.

Since Ulquiorra has no real definable feats, you need to scale his power down from Aizen's. Aizen's power is very clear. He can mountain bust with his strongest attack. This instantly proves that LN is nowhere near town sized, and lanza is nowhere near island level, unless you're also suggesting that Ulquiorra is MUCH more powerful than Aizen. What you're saying is that Aizen's most potent explosive cero has less AOE than Ulquiorra's most potent lanza(which is basically his more powerful version of a cero that can also be used as a sword). That is ridiculous.

Ulquiorra's Lanza only has more AoE because Aizen's blasts were more concentrated

A few vague statements related to distance =/= exposition.

They said it would take three days to get to Las Noche's. They didn't say how far it was, how fast they were walking or how long they rested in between walking. Therefor, assuming the size of the structure they were headed to is completely baseless and stupid. LN was big enough to hold ten complexes, not ten cities. The complexes could have been any size. The size of LN was never even hinted at.

There are not only statements, but we see Ichigo and co. ran for several hours towards it, got tired, and it still didn't change in their perspective.

Another way to estimate though, is the fact that Chad could bust a huge hole in one of the walls and still be visible in size contrast.

Soul society? Continent sized? LOL. If it was continent sized, then why was a single hill the bulk of the entire area? Sokyoku hill was huge even compared to all of SS.

You need atleast a continent sized land to comfortably accommodate as much population as the Earth's (7 billion).

The blast being small means Ulquiorra's blast was smaller. This is because they were both as potent as the characters could make them. You can argue the potency all you want, but the fact of the matter is that you have no way of knowing the potency of the attack. In DBZ, they casually shoot blasts that only destroy small portions of the ground, but when they want to, a blast just as small can destroy entire planets just because it's not as condensed. Aizen shot his strongest attack at Ichigo, and it didn't even compare to town busting. Ulquiorra's much weaker, so his lanza has nowhere near the same level of destructive capacity that Aizen's does. You might as well say that Ichigo's getsuga is more potent just because it has a smaller AOE. The rule of thumb is "whoever can destroy more is stronger", not "Whoever has smaller explosions can destroy the most within said explosion". 👆

I hope you understand now. Aizen's fragor is just like Trunks' blast. Though its AoE is small, the potency behind the blast is Island+ level as its stronger than Ulquiorra's Lanza. So there's no contradiction with Las Noches being Island sized, and Aizen being above him.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
I have a basis:

1. Nel states it takes 3 days to cross Las Noches by walk
2. Las Noches has its own climate along with a sky with clouds, which has to be a few miles high
3. The ends of LN on any direction aren't visible when they are inside it, though the human eye can see for 3 miles before the horizon
4. Ichigo (who can run for a day on a treadmill), was tired after running towards Las Noches for several hours, and yet they didn't make it any closer.
Assuming he ran only for 3 hours at peak human speeds, 3*20 = 60 km.
LN has to be larger than this since they didn't get any closer.

Its cute how you're making these claims without reading Bleach. Small building lololol, Gillians are skyscraper sized.

Chapter 67 page 17: Pre-SS arc Ichigo rips a huge canyon destroying a few small hills in the process, and this is an MCB+ feat. Ikkaku is stronger than that Ichigo.

Chapter 204 page 20: Shikai Ikkaku tanks an MCB+ attack that dwarfs skyscrapers.

Wrong. It was stated to be 3 days long on foot.

Debunk the above points if you want to prove its smaller than a city.

You are technically Yammy is larger than Las Noches when he was inside the entire time.

Think twice before typing bullshit.

It wasn't an illusion. It was a pocket dimension, which was the size of a city.

Wrong again. Read the chapter 'The burnout inferno 3'.

Aizen: "If you hadn't blocked the explosion with your body, then your fragile little barrier would have been blown away, and an area many times the size of Karakura town would be reduced to ash"

Are you blind? I said 24 km [b]diameter

Hitsugaya's bankai can freeze anything within 12 km radius, which makes its diameter 24 km

Hitsugaya's ice is strong enough to shatter arrancars, whose skin is harder than steel. So destroying cement buildings should be easier.

Hitsugaya's bankai doesn't fire energy blasts, its technically ice. Freezing all the buildings within 24 km is city level.

Goku never destroyed a planet. So I guess he isn't planet level?

Sensui destroyed a mountain with air pressure, and Yusuke = Sensui so they are both far above mountain level.

That is not de-scaling. If Ulquiorra can destroy an Island, even Aizen can.

Even Cell hasn't shown an attack that destroyed a planet. Are you saying Frieza is not planet level because Cell never destroyed one?

Very good. For the same reason, Aizen was trying to destroy Ichigo, not blow up towns and mountains.

His blasts were concentrated.

1. Aizen can casually townbust or Island-bust if he really tries.

2. Aizen's blasts are much more potent, but their AoE is not as much as Ulquiorra's or Shikai Yamamoto's

Who said Aizen's max power is limited to mountain busting? He wasn't trying to blow up mountains, and that destruction was just the side effect of his fight with Ichigo.

Ulquiorra's Lanza only has more AoE because Aizen's blasts were more concentrated

Even at normal human walking speeds, it comes out to be 90 km long, though we know Ichigo is above peak human level. 90 km is consistent with what's portrayed.

There are not only statements, but we see Ichigo and co. ran for several hours towards it, got tired, and it still didn't change in their perspective.

No, that hole wasn't visible. Chad fought Mosqueda and Nnoitra at the center of Las Noches when they were inside[b].

That's just the Seireitei where the Gotei 13 resides, duh.
Outside of Seireitei, there are 320 Rukongai districts, which accomodate as much population as the earth. In addition they have all those forests, deserts, mountains where Ichigo fought Aizen and other stuff.

You need atleast a continent sized land to comfortably accommodate as much population as the Earth's (7 billion).

Riddle me this: Look at the Future Trunks vs Frieza fight. In chapter 331, just before killing Frieza, Trunks fires a blast at him. The blast is strong enough to force Frieza to dodge, the blast hits the ground, but the planet doesn't get destroyed and it only makes a small crater.
If I use your logic that you're using for Aizen's fragor, Trunks' blast is only building level, and Frieza should be building level as he is below Trunks. (I could argue the same for cell saga Piccolo's light grenade that only destroys a small Island)

I hope you understand now. Aizen's fragor is just like Trunks' blast. Though its AoE is small, the potency behind the blast is Island+ level as its stronger than Ulquiorra's Lanza. So there's no contradiction with Las Noches being Island sized, and Aizen being above him.

I was going to post a super long post debunking this retarded post, but my browser quit unexpectedly.

Anyway, I'll make this debunk short and sweet.

Your logic with Aizen is completely flawed. Cell has attacks that can bust solar systems and be powerscaled to be on the level of galaxy busting. Even Frieza was a star buster. The only basis you have to support an island busting Aizen, is a retarded pseudo gauge of simple, vague, unsupported statements.

The bottom line is that the most Chad could travel for three days, as a normal human with no food or water, is around 10 hours a day. Him keeping up with the others is proof that they were, at least at that point, bound to human levels. The most they could travel in that time is around 60 km. Again, Nel said it took three days to cross LN, not HM. 👆

60-70 km diameter explosion is obviously the limit of Ulquiorra's lanza at that point. You have nothing to gauge the size of LN after that. New york city has a diameter of around 114 km. At the most, I guess we can powerscale Aizen's attack potency to be at city level at that point, but Yamamoto's attack has nothing to do with that. Again, AOE =/= attack potency, unless you're also arguing that Toshiro is stronger than Aizen.

There are only assumptions that you can make in Bleach. The size of Karakura town was never given, so that is speculation. The only time it was hinted at was when Toshiro said his 3 RI bankai could cover most of the city, but that's still too vague to calc, and can at most be calced to around 20 km, which puts Yama and Aizen at nowhere near the full power of Ulquiorra.

Anyway, how about this. When you can give me a cannon, 100% accurate calculation of how big LN was, as well as the size of Karakura town, then I will accept that the attack AOE or overall potency is as you can calc it. If not, then we still have to assume the bare minimum, as no feats or statements were given to suggest otherwise.

You're trying to calculate the possibility that Aizen might have island busting capacity, even though it has never been even hinted at, and no feats even SUGGEST so. You have one piece of evidence, and it doesn't fit in with the rest of the series. You are completely wrong.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
I have a basis:

Goku never destroyed a planet. So I guess he isn't planet level?

Even Cell hasn't shown an attack that destroyed a planet. Are you saying Frieza is not planet level because Cell never destroyed one?

Riddle me this: Look at the Future Trunks vs Frieza fight. In chapter 331, just before killing Frieza, Trunks fires a blast at him. The blast is strong enough to force Frieza to dodge, the blast hits the ground, but the planet doesn't get destroyed and it only makes a small crater.
If I use your logic that you're using for Aizen's fragor, Trunks' blast is only building level, and Frieza should be building level as he is below Trunks. (I could argue the same for cell saga Piccolo's light grenade that only destroys a small Island)

I hope you understand now. Aizen's fragor is just like Trunks' blast. Though its AoE is small, the potency behind the blast is Island+ level as its stronger than Ulquiorra's Lanza. So there's no contradiction with Las Noches being Island sized, and Aizen being above him.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I was going to post a super long post debunking this retarded post, but my browser quit unexpectedly.

Anyway, I'll make this debunk short and sweet.

Your logic with Aizen is completely flawed. Cell has attacks that can bust solar systems and be powerscaled to be on the level of galaxy busting. Even Frieza was a star buster. The only basis you have to support an island busting Aizen, is a retarded pseudo gauge of simple, vague, unsupported statements.

Neither of them showed Star/Solar system busting feats and all we have is statements for it. You could do the same for Ulq and Yamamoto.

The bottom line is that the most Chad could travel for three days, as a normal human with no food or water, is around 10 hours a day. Him keeping up with the others is proof that they were, at least at that point, bound to human levels. The most they could travel in that time is around 60 km. Again, Nel said it took three days to cross LN, not HM. 👆

If you walk at 4 km/hr, you can cross 40 km in 10 hours. So for 3 days, it makes it 120 km (though I'll agree with 90 km as a low end).

60-70 km diameter explosion is obviously the limit of Ulquiorra's lanza at that point. You have nothing to gauge the size of LN after that. New york city has a diameter of around 114 km.

Area of New York City is 1200 sq-km http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City

So Las Noches is around 6 times larger than it which makes Lanza multi-city/Island level.

At the most, I guess we can powerscale Aizen's attack potency to be at city level at that point, but Yamamoto's attack has nothing to do with that. Again, AOE =/= attack potency, unless you're also arguing that Toshiro is stronger than Aizen.

The only thing is, its AoE is small as Aizen fired compressed blast like Trunks did on Frieza.

There are only assumptions that you can make in Bleach. The size of Karakura town was never given, so that is speculation. The only time it was hinted at was when Toshiro said his 3 RI bankai could cover most of the city, but that's still too vague to calc, and can at most be calced to around 20 km, which puts Yama and Aizen at nowhere near the full power of Ulquiorra.

That puts Bankai Toshiro at city level and Shikai Yama wayyy above that. The manga stated that Yama's Ennetsu Jigoku would have destroyed an area exponentially larger than KT, so its again multi-city to Island level.

Secondly, don't forget that Ulq's attack could simply have more AoE while Yama/Aizen's attacks have more potency as they are more concentrated.

You're trying to calculate the possibility that Aizen might have island busting capacity, even though it has never been even hinted at, and no feats even SUGGEST so. You have one piece of evidence, and it doesn't fit in with the rest of the series. You are completely wrong.

Just like Trunks has no feats, but we powerscale him to planet+ using Frieza's feats.

Moreover, don't forget that Aizen's fragor made a HUGE crater in the ground and we don't know how deep the crater was. This was despite the fact that Ichigo's arm took most of the Fragor's damage.

Originally posted by God Cloth Seiya
Shut the **** up. Raditz solos Bleach.

And why are you getting angry over it?

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Key word: powerscaled.

Neither of them showed Star/Solar system busting feats and all we have is statements for it. You could do the same for Ulq and Yamamoto.

Ok, I can agree with 10 hours a day to get a low end value.

If you walk at 4 km/hr, you can cross 40 km in 10 hours. So for 3 days, it makes it 120 km (though I'll agree with 90 km as a low end).

If one side of LN is 90 km, its area will be 90x90 = 8100 sq-km.

Area of New York City is 1200 sq-km http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City

So Las Noches is around 6 times larger than it which makes Lanza multi-city/Island level.

Yamamoto tanked his own shikai, and still had energy to use a level 96 Kido. If Aizen's fragor would kill Yamamoto, so its potency should be even higher than Yama's attack, which is capable of reducing an area exponentially larger than Karakura town to ash.

The only thing is, its AoE is small as Aizen fired compressed blast like Trunks did on Frieza.

*24 km.

That puts Bankai Toshiro at city level and Shikai Yama wayyy above that. The manga stated that Yama's Ennetsu Jigoku would have destroyed an area [b]exponentially larger than KT, so its again multi-city to Island level.

Secondly, don't forget that Ulq's attack could simply have more AoE while Yama/Aizen's attacks have more potency as they are more concentrated.

I've given you three feats - Toshiro, Ulquiorra, Shikai Yama. And Aizen is stronger than them.

Just like Trunks has no feats, but we powerscale him to planet+ using Frieza's feats.

Moreover, don't forget that Aizen's fragor made a HUGE crater in the ground and we don't know how deep the crater was. This was despite the fact that Ichigo's arm took most of the Fragor's damage.

What does Raditz have to do with this thread?

And why are you getting angry over it? [/B]

Except you don't even have statements for Yama and Ulq. 👆

A human without water or food cannot walk for ten hours at 4 km/hour. At most, which I was calcing, they can manage 2.5 km/hour, and going any faster could kill or dehydrate(at the least) them, because they won't be conserving their calories at all. Anyway, this is stupid as phuck. Nel gave a vague statement claiming it takes three days to cross LN. There's no way to know who she meant was walking, how long they braked for, what supplies they had, or what species the walker was. For all we know, she could have meant anywhere from her(the equivalent to a four year old child), to Yammy. There's no way to know, meaning there's no way to accurately scale LN, as it can be as small as 100 km squared to as huge as 10,000.

Find a better way to figure out the range of the attack, or you, again, have NO basis.

Aizen stated that Yama's shikai could destroy exponentially more than the city. However, you know what? Since you pulled the "statements aren't vaild card", I'm gonna follow that example. Aizen has been proven wrong DOZENS of times in the manga, an example is when he said that he was evolving past Ichigo, when the Hogyoku was in fact abandoning him.

Toshiro's bankai's strongest attack was shaken off by Wonderwiess screaming. His AOE means nothing if it's potency is that weak.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Except you don't even have statements for Yama and Ulq. 👆

A human without water or food cannot walk for ten hours at 4 km/hour. At most, which I was calcing, they can manage 2.5 km/hour, and going any faster could kill or dehydrate(at the least) them, because they won't be conserving their calories at all. Anyway, this is stupid as phuck.

Here's a machine that absorbs one's rieatsu as one walks on it.

Ichigo had been running on it for A WHOLE DAY without rest, and still claims he can do more.

Chad and Ishida are stronger than Shikai Ichigo as they both defeated Privaron Espadas, and if you notice, Ichigo was the first one to collapse after running towards Las Noches.

Average human walking speed is 4 km/h, just google it. And you can easily walk a marathon (42 km) in a day lol.

Nel gave a vague statement claiming it takes three days to cross LN. There's no way to know who she meant was walking, how long they braked for, what supplies they had, or what species the walker was. For all we know, she could have meant anywhere from her(the equivalent to a four year old child), to Yammy. There's no way to know, meaning there's no way to accurately scale LN, as it can be as small as 100 km squared to as huge as 10,000.

And this is why I'm going by low end calcs, and saying its 90-100 km.

Look at Narutoverse for example. It takes 3 days to cover the distance between Konoha to the sand village, and they are in different countries. Las Noches should be comparable to that.

Since you pulled the "statements aren't vaild card", I'm gonna follow that example.

Aizen stated that Yama's shikai could destroy exponentially more than the city. However, you know what? Aizen has been proven wrong DOZENS of times in the manga, an example is when he said that he was evolving past Ichigo, when the Hogyoku was in fact abandoning him.

Secondly, unless statements are shown to be contradicted, you should treat them as canon. Yama's shikai destroying the said area is never contradicted as Yama himself blocked the attack with his body.

Toshiro's bankai's strongest attack was shaken off by Wonderwiess screaming. His AOE means nothing if it's potency is that weak.

Toshiro's bankai has 24 km AoE with steel+ potency, and Ulq's Lanza has 90 km AoE with rock/quartz+ potency.

Btw whats the day/night cycle like in that realm?

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
We do. And we also have feats for Ulq in addition to the statements.

They are well above superhumans, so they don't need food and water. Also keep in mind, they were all super-charged by HM's atmosphere, which is full of reishi.

Here's a machine that absorbs one's rieatsu as one walks on it.

Ichigo had been running on it for A WHOLE DAY without rest, and still claims he can do more.

Chad and Ishida are stronger than Shikai Ichigo as they both defeated Privaron Espadas, and if you notice, Ichigo was the first one to collapse after running towards Las Noches.

Average human walking speed is 4 km/h, just google it. And you can easily walk a marathon (42 km) in a day lol.

Nel was referring to Ichigo's group (who she thinks are pretty strong), and Nel herself is faster than a peak human, as she could keep up with Ichigo when she tried to ran.

And this is why I'm going by low end calcs, and saying its 90-100 km.

Look at Narutoverse for example. It takes 3 days to cover the distance between Konoha to the sand village, and they are in different countries. Las Noches should be comparable to that.

I never said statements aren't valid. I do accept Cell to be a star buster because of his statement, though its highly possible he was boasting.

That's because Aizen was boasting about his abilities. There was no reason for him to boast about Yamamoto, who was his enemy.

Secondly, unless statements are shown to be contradicted, you should treat them as canon. Yama's shikai destroying the said area is never contradicted as Yama himself blocked the attack with his body.

That just means WW's scream releases powerful soundwaves, which are strong enough to break Hitsu's ice, which is stronger than steel.

Toshiro's bankai has 24 km AoE with steel+ potency, and Ulq's Lanza has 90 km AoE with rock/quartz+ potency.

For the last phucking time, Chad=/=Ichigo. Chad is a normal human in terms of speed, and REQUIRES water and food, just like Ichigo does. Them being superhumans has NOTHING to do with what they NEED to survive. Just look at Goku. A multiversal reality buster that can't get through the day without at least three GIGANTIC meals fit for dozens of grown men.

What evidence to you have that says Nel is faster than a full grown human? Exactly, NONE. The fact that Chad alone was keeping up with them proves them to be no more than average human walking speed.

Hitsugaya's ice? Stronger than steel? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, EVEN CURRENT KENPACHI, THE STRONGEST CAPTAIN EVER, HAD A BIT OF TROUBLE CUTTING THROUGH STEEL, LOL. Yeah though, Hitsugaya's ice is normal ice, and you're ****ing retarded for suggesting otherwise.

For the last time though, you can't base a calc on something that has so many variables needed to be inferred just to support it. The reason being, obviously, that you can change the outcome so often. For example, since it doesn't mention the walking speed, the breaks you take, or even the water/food you need to support yourself, I could easily infer than LN is only 10 km long, because they could have been leisurely walking with dozens of hour long breaks in between.

Find something more set in stone, or just forfeit.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
For the last phucking time, Chad=/=Ichigo. Chad is a normal human in terms of speed,

Even Orihime has supersonic attacks- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MkzWroXQhLo/TlSXlYCMdXI/AAAAAAAABEs/KWGhO8ZVrb0/015.png?imgmax=3000 (a clear sonicboom)

and fodder 4th seats can react to her. Chad one-shotted a 3rd seat long back when he was a weakling in the SS arc.

Lol human-level speed.

and REQUIRES water and food, just like Ichigo does. Them being superhumans has NOTHING to do with what they NEED to survive. Just look at Goku. A multiversal reality buster that can't get through the day without at least three GIGANTIC meals fit for dozens of grown men.

> Do you not see Ichigo running for an entire day on a treadmill without food and water and claiming he can do more?
> Do you not see Uryu training for 7 days and 7 nights without rest?
> Do you not see Ichigo, Chad and Uryu spending more than a day in hueco Mundo without food and water?
> Do you not see Ichigo fighting Zangetsu for 3 full days in the SS arc?
> Do you not see Ichigo fighting for 3 months in the dangai, and Isshin holding the currents while having his rieatsu continuously drained for ENTIRE 3 MONTHS?

What evidence to you have that says Nel is faster than a full grown human? Exactly, NONE. The fact that Chad alone was keeping up with them proves them to be no more than average human walking speed.

Nel caught up with Ichigo who was running, making her speed atleast peak human+.

Hitsugaya's ice? Stronger than steel?

Yeah though, Hitsugaya's ice is normal ice, and you're ****ing retarded for suggesting otherwise.

EVEN CURRENT KENPACHI, THE STRONGEST CAPTAIN EVER, HAD A BIT OF TROUBLE CUTTING THROUGH STEEL, LOL.

You have no idea what you're talking about lel.

Even the fodder hollow in Chapter 1 could punch through concrete walls and broke Ichigo's steel bat - http://i33.mangapanda.com/bleach/1/bleach-1585800.jpg
And left a hole through rebar - http://i2.mangapanda.com/bleach/1/bleach-1585796.jpg

Hitsugaya's ice can shatter arrancar skin, which is stated to be tougher than yards of steel.

For the last time though, you can't base a calc on something that has so many variables needed to be inferred just to support it. The reason being, obviously, that you can change the outcome so often. For example, since it doesn't mention the walking speed, the breaks you take, or even the water/food you need to support yourself, I could easily infer than LN is only 10 km long, because they could have been leisurely walking with dozens of hour long breaks in between.

Find something more set in stone, or just forfeit.

How can it be only 10km? There are even humans who run more than a marathon's distance in that time lel.

I'll post it again - http://i40.mangapanda.com/bleach/245/bleach-1589675.jpg

This proves Las Noches is easily around a 100km in length.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Chad kept up with and defeated a Privaron Espada, who is hypersonic+. The same Privaron is faster than Shikai Ichigo.

Even Orihime has supersonic attacks- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MkzWroXQhLo/TlSXlYCMdXI/AAAAAAAABEs/KWGhO8ZVrb0/015.png?imgmax=3000 (a clear sonicboom)

and fodder 4th seats can react to her. Chad one-shotted a 3rd seat long back when he was a weakling in the SS arc.

Lol human-level speed.

Food and water to survive?

> Do you not see Ichigo running for an entire day on a treadmill without food and water and claiming he can do more?
> Do you not see Uryu training for 7 days and 7 nights without rest?
> Do you not see Ichigo, Chad and Uryu spending more than a day in hueco Mundo without food and water?
> Do you not see Ichigo fighting Zangetsu for 3 full days in the SS arc?
> Do you not see Ichigo fighting for 3 months in the dangai, and Isshin holding the currents while having his rieatsu continuously drained for ENTIRE 3 MONTHS?

http://i23.mangapanda.com/bleach/249/bleach-1589747.jpg
http://i2.mangapanda.com/bleach/250/bleach-1589754.jpg
http://i32.mangapanda.com/bleach/250/bleach-1589761.jpg

Nel caught up with Ichigo who was [b]running, making her speed atleast peak human+.

Ofcourse it is stronger than steel. Butthurt, much?

Gremmy's body was harder than steel and Kenpachi was able cut through it.

You have no idea what you're talking about lel.

Even the fodder hollow in Chapter 1 could punch through concrete walls and broke Ichigo's steel bat - http://i33.mangapanda.com/bleach/1/bleach-1585800.jpg
And left a hole through rebar - http://i2.mangapanda.com/bleach/1/bleach-1585796.jpg

Hitsugaya's ice can shatter arrancar skin, which is stated to be tougher than yards of steel.

I've already shown you a scan of Ichigo, Chad and Uryu running towards Las Noches for hours, yet not getting any closer to it.

How can it be only 10km? There are even humans who run more than a marathon's distance in that time lel.

I'll post it again - http://i40.mangapanda.com/bleach/245/bleach-1589675.jpg

This proves Las Noches is easily around a 100km in length. [/B]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, Battle speed=/=Running speed.

Clear sonic boom? Are you high? A sonic boom would have killed her, or at least knocked her over at that distance, considering, you know, she's A NORMAL HUMAN, LOL.

Chad used his fist shit to do that. How does that equat to his speed? LOL, you're phucking retarded.

1. Ichigo = Soul Reaper. Chad = Normal Human with arm shit.

2. Ichigo bodily needs feats =/= Chads bodily needs feats.

3. Humans can survive for a day without food and water, dumb ass.

👆

Not to mention that Nel's statement was obviously proven wrong by everyone else traveling all over LN in just one day. 👆

Ah, so you're saying that Ichigo's running speed IS normal human level. I see. Thanks for admitting it finally. 😉

LOL, show some proof, dumb phuck. Hitsugaya's "steel ice" was broken by wonderweiss shouting. Wonderweiss, who got shat on by Yamamoto, who was weaker than any given Sternritter(currently), the Sternritter's that Kenpachi can shit on easily. Yes, the same Kenpachi who had trouble cutting through steel. 👆

I have no idea what I'm talking about? You're LITERALLY saying that all Bleach characters can cut through solid steel without even giving A SINGLE FEAT! Christ, how phucking stupid can someone be?

WHERE WAS IT STATED TO BE THAT STRONG? "tougher than yards of steel", you're out of your phucking mind.

And? Again, it can be perceived to the bare minimum, or bare maximum, because there are so many variables in you shitty, flawed calc. Since you're debating an undetermined scale, you have to take the bare minimum, dumb ass. You can't just give your preferred character all kinds of bullshit, untrue feats.

Phucking dumb ass.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, Battle speed=/=Running speed.

I never used supersonic running speed for Chad. I used a peak human running speed of 20 km/h.

Clear sonic boom? Are you high? A sonic boom would have killed her, or at least knocked her over at that distance, considering, you know, she's A NORMAL HUMAN, LOL.

A sonic boom: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MkzWroXQhLo/TlSXlYCMdXI/AAAAAAAABEs/KWGhO8ZVrb0/015.png?imgmax=3000

HM chad >>> SS arc Chad >>> 3rd seat > 4th seat >> Orihime's attack = Mach 1+.

Chad used his fist shit to do that. How does that equat to his speed? LOL, you're phucking retarded.

Seems like you're lacking some brain cells.

1. Ichigo = Soul Reaper. Chad = Normal Human with arm shit.

2. Ichigo bodily needs feats =/= Chads bodily needs feats.

3. Humans can survive for a day without food and water, dumb ass.

👆

Fullbringers can run ar superhuman speeds on rooftops: http://i10.mangapanda.com/bleach/429/bleach-2403619.jpg

2. Ok, so what? Should I not remind you that Chad was in spirit form when he went to HM, and spirits have a different bodily requirement?
He even survived for several days in Soul Society without food.

3. There are humans who even survived for 10 days without food and water when they go on hunger-strike lol.
What makes you think a superhuman fighter like Chad can't?

Not to mention that Nel's statement was obviously proven wrong by everyone else traveling all over LN in just one day. 👆

Thats because they rode a hollow, which was travelling at an unknown speed. If it was travelling faster than a car, ofcourse they could do it in less than a day.

Ah, so you're saying that Ichigo's running speed IS normal human level. I see. Thanks for admitting it finally. 😉

LOL, show some proof, dumb phuck. Hitsugaya's "steel ice" was broken by wonderweiss shouting. Wonderweiss, who got shat on by Yamamoto, who was weaker than any given Sternritter(currently), the Sternritter's that Kenpachi can shit on easily. Yes, the same Kenpachi who had trouble cutting through steel. 👆

And btw, Kenpachi has been cutting through solid skyscrapers with just the "air pressure of his swings" all the way since the SS arc
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/bleach/113/[manga-rain]bleach-ch113-06.png

Current Kenpachi never had difficulty cutting through steel, and we don't know how much he was holding back. Apart from the fact that Gremmy's body was harder than steel.

I have no idea what I'm talking about? You're LITERALLY saying that all Bleach characters can cut through solid steel without even giving A SINGLE FEAT! Christ, how phucking stupid can someone be?

Even the fodder hollow in Chapter 1 could punch through concrete walls and broke Ichigo's steel bat - http://i33.mangapanda.com/bleach/1/bleach-1585800.jpg
And left a hole through rebar - http://i2.mangapanda.com/bleach/1/bleach-1585796.jpg

Hitsugaya's ice >>>> fodder hollow > concrete walls and steel rebar.

WHERE WAS IT STATED TO BE THAT STRONG? "tougher than yards of steel", you're out of your phucking mind.

http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/681/4961936330.jpg

Hitsugaya's ice >> Luppi's skin > Yammy's skin

And? Again, it can be perceived to the bare minimum, or bare maximum, because there are so many variables in you shitty, flawed calc. Since you're debating an undetermined scale, you have to take the bare minimum, dumb ass. You can't just give your preferred character all kinds of bullshit, untrue feats.

So let's take it to be a minimum of 90km for your sake.

Phucking dumb ass.

Bring it on kiddo. Any more BS excuses? I love debunking fantards.

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Originally posted by Blazing Storm
What?

I never used supersonic running speed for Chad. I used a peak human running speed of 20 km/h.

Except Nel said walking. Not sprinting. 👆

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Orihime's attacks are hypersonic, not herself. Anyone with common sense can understand that.

A sonic boom: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MkzWroXQh...png?imgmax=3000

HM chad >>> SS arc Chad >>> 3rd seat > 4th seat >> Orihime's attack = Mach 1+.

What basis supports that? Your perception of a sonic boom, that was obviously just her attack kicking up dust, considering even Hollow Ichigo throwing rocks at Ulquiorra didn't make sonic booms?

Is that so? Then why did Orihime actually tag several high seat soul reapers?

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
What the hell are you talking about?
If that guy was faster than Chad, he could have easily evaded his punch.

Seems like you're lacking some brain cells.

Because EVERY human can run faster than they can punch. Obviously.

Dumb ass.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
1. Chad is a fullbringer, not a normal human.

Fullbringers can run ar superhuman speeds on rooftops: http://i10.mangapanda.com/bleach/429/bleach-2403619.jpg

2. Ok, so what? Should I not remind you that Chad was in spirit form when he went to HM, and spirits have a different bodily requirement?
He even survived for several days in Soul Society without food.

3. There are humans who even survived for 10 days without food and water when they go on hunger-strike lol.
What makes you think a superhuman fighter like Chad can't?

1. Chad wasn't a fullbringer until the fullbringer arc.

Key phrase, "What is he using to accelerate like that?", not "How is he running that fast?". The entire fullbring arc was stupid because normal humans using bringer light could move and maneuver faster than captains. Bringer light isn't normal movement speed, idiot, just like Sonido and flash step aren't.

2. But they still need food and water, otherwise they'll lose all their reiatsu and die, as stated in the SS arc. 👆

Based on? We don't know if he ate or not during the SS infiltration arc, but he was in human form then, so he obviously did.

3. I know that for a fact because he's burning calories and using energy to extremes that no other human does. He probably can't go for 5 or 6 hours without food and water while fighting.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
More BS.

Thats because they rode a hollow, which was travelling at an unknown speed. If it was travelling faster than a car, ofcourse they could do it in less than a day.

Exactly, unknown. In other words, A VARIABLE. MEANING THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY RELIABLE CALCS FROM IT.

Dumb ass.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
I showed you enough proof. Stop repeating the same BS like a parrot.

And btw, Kenpachi has been cutting through solid skyscrapers with just the "air pressure of his swings" all the way since the SS arc
http://img.mangastream.to/manga/ble...ch-ch113-06.png

Current Kenpachi never had difficulty cutting through steel, and we don't know how much he was holding back. Apart from the fact that Gremmy's body was harder than steel.

In your biased, twisted opinion. When someone can poke innumerable holes in it like I did, there's obviously a problem with it. 👆

And? Those "skyscrapers(which are actually just normal sized building, not the skyscrapers like in Ichigo's soul world)" are made of simple reishi, in case you've forgotten. The same type of material that the concrete Orihime fractured was made from. 👆

Actually, he kind of did. Him failing to cut with his initial swing was proof that he was surprised that Gremmy was as hard as steel. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to easily slice through Noitora in a MUCH weaker form. 👆

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
I gave you scans. Stop ignoring them

Even the fodder hollow in Chapter 1 could punch through concrete walls and broke Ichigo's steel bat - http://i33.mangapanda.com/bleach/1/bleach-1585800.jpg
And left a hole through rebar - http://i2.mangapanda.com/bleach/1/bleach-1585796.jpg

Hitsugaya's ice >>>> fodder hollow > concrete walls and steel rebar.

Scans? Of WHAT? You've shown NO SCANS WHATSOEVER proving that Hitsugaya's ice>steel.

When was the bat stated to be steel? A much more common metal to make bats with is aluminum, and even then it's still hollow. Otherwise you couldn't bend them by hitting a tree with them. 👆

You mean a hole left through a wall of unknown material? It was a simple building, so dry wall is what we must assume it to be. That is unimpressive as ****.

Solid steel>>>>>Hitsugaya's bankai Ice>>>>Fodder hollow>Dry wall and hollow aluminum. 👆

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Yammy's skin was stated to be hard as steel, and he's the weakest Espada in base. You'd know that if you actually read Bleach.

http://easycaptures.com/fs/uploaded/681/4961936330.jpg

Hitsugaya's ice >> Luppi's skin > Yammy's skin

Once again, since you failed to understand the first time, Name of attack=/=Effect of the attack.

You obviously don't know what hierro translates to. Hint, that's why Ulq. said steel skin, and not steel hard skin. Idiot.

BTW, luppi broke out of Hitsugaya's ice.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
I've only taken a bare minimum as we don't know its upper limit. Las Noches could be anything from 90km to a few hundred km.

So let's take it to be a minimum of 90km for your sake.

Again, for the last time, YOU CANNOT CALC SOMETHING RELIABLY WHEN THE RESULTS CAN BE VARIED FROM 10KM TO 100KM. 👆

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
In short, all you did was completely prove me wrong by punching indisputable holes in my failed calcs, and shit all over my retarded, fanbiased argument that a three year old could debunk.

Bring it on kiddo. Any more BS excuses? I love debunking fantards like myself in my own comment.

This is obviously what you meant.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Except Nel said walking. Not sprinting. 👆

and not the 3 day walk statement.

"No matter how much we run and run and run it doesn't feel like we're getting any closer"

As for the 3 day walk statement, consider that Chad walks 30-40km per day, and you'll end up with 90-120km for LN.

What basis supports that? Your perception of a sonic boom, that was obviously just her attack kicking up dust, considering even Hollow Ichigo throwing rocks at Ulquiorra didn't make sonic booms?

Is that so? Then why did Orihime actually tag several high seat soul reapers?

Even a 4th seat easily dispatches Orihime's attack
http://i10.mangapanda.com/bleach/91/bleach-10858.jpg
http://i26.mangapanda.com/bleach/91/bleach-10859.jpg

Because EVERY human can run faster than they can punch. Obviously.

Dumb ass.

Think before what you're talking about.

2. But they still need food and water, otherwise they'll lose all their reiatsu and die, as stated in the SS arc. 👆

Based on? We don't know if he ate or not during the SS infiltration arc, but he was in human form then, so he obviously did.

Even during the dangai training, Ichigo and Isshin didn't eat for 3 months.

3. I know that for a fact because he's burning calories and using energy to extremes that no other human does. He probably can't go for 5 or 6 hours without food and water while fighting.

http://i28.mangapanda.com/bleach/70/bleach-10422.jpg

And there are humans who have run for 23 hours continuous. So walking 10 hours a day isn't a big deal.

Exactly, unknown. In other words, A VARIABLE. MEANING THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY RELIABLE CALCS FROM IT.

Dumb ass.

I'm pretty disappointed in you.

In your biased, twisted opinion. When someone can poke innumerable holes in it like I did, there's obviously a problem with it. 👆

And? Those "skyscrapers(which are actually just normal sized building, not the skyscrapers like in Ichigo's soul world)" are made of simple reishi, in case you've forgotten. The same type of material that the concrete Orihime fractured was made from. 👆

Actually, he kind of did. Him failing to cut with his initial swing was proof that he was surprised that Gremmy was as hard as steel. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to easily slice through Noitora in a MUCH weaker form. 👆

Anyways, Gremmy's body was MORE RESISTANT than steel http://i16.mangapanda.com/bleach/573/bleach-4850137.jpg

Scans? Of WHAT? You've shown NO SCANS WHATSOEVER proving that Hitsugaya's ice>steel.

You mean a hole left through a wall of unknown material? It was a simple building, so dry wall is what we must assume it to be. That is unimpressive as ****.

Solid steel>>>>>Hitsugaya's bankai Ice>>>>Fodder hollow>Dry wall and hollow aluminum. 👆

Hitsu's ice >>>> Fodder hollow > Concrete, so its capable of destroying all the concrete buildings within 24 km making it city level.

Once again, since you failed to understand the first time, Name of attack=/=Effect of the attack.

You obviously don't know what hierro translates to. Hint, that's why Ulq. said steel skin, and not steel hard skin. Idiot.

BTW, luppi broke out of Hitsugaya's ice.

A fodder fraccion states blades are useless against Hierro skin, and this Ikkaku's sword is more durable than a normal steel sword.

http://i5.mangapanda.com/bleach/203/bleach-13263.jpg

Again, for the last time, YOU CANNOT CALC SOMETHING RELIABLY WHEN THE RESULTS CAN BE VARIED FROM 10KM TO 100KM. 👆

90 km is the bare MINIMUM. I'm only taking minimum values, nothing else.

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Except I'm talking about this:
http://i40.mangapanda.com/bleach/245/bleach-1589675.jpg

and not the 3 day walk statement.

"No matter how much we run and run and run it doesn't feel like we're getting any closer"

As for the 3 day walk statement, consider that Chad walks 30-40km per day, and you'll end up with 90-120km for LN.

Except that there was no dust around when Orihime used that attack. It was in mid-air.
The air around moved as a shockwave, proving that the attack was atleast Mach 1.

Plot device.

Even a 4th seat easily dispatches Orihime's attack
http://i10.mangapanda.com/bleach/91/bleach-10858.jpg
http://i26.mangapanda.com/bleach/91/bleach-10859.jpg

I'm not talking about running. I'm talking about dodging (aka. reactions).

Think before what you're talking about.

Where is it stated that they'll die if they don't eat? They never took any food supplies with them when they infiltrated SS.

Even during the dangai training, Ichigo and Isshin didn't eat for 3 months.

He isn't in human form once he gets past the Senkaimon (their bodies get converted to Reishi)

http://i28.mangapanda.com/bleach/70/bleach-10422.jpg

And there are humans who have run for 23 hours continuous. So walking 10 hours a day isn't a big deal.

I never used the speed of the hollow Bawabawa to prove its size. You brought it up. I was only using peak human walking speeds for 3 days (ie. 4km/h) but you keep twisting facts.

Ok, any more insults?

I'm pretty disappointed in you.

In your biased, twisted opinion. When someone can poke innumerable holes in it like I did, there's obviously a problem with it. 👆

And? Those "skyscrapers(which are actually just normal sized building, not the skyscrapers like in Ichigo's soul world)" are made of simple reishi, in case you've forgotten. The same type of material that the concrete Orihime fractured was made from. 👆

Obviously because he was holding back, duh.

Anyways, Gremmy's body was MORE RESISTANT than steel http://i16.mangapanda.com/bleach/573/bleach-4850137.jpg

Walls are made of concrete. the fodder hollow made a hole through it.

Hitsu's ice >>>> Fodder hollow > Concrete, so its capable of destroying all the concrete buildings within 24 km making it city level.

Hierro translates to iron skin, but its also supported by several statements taht its so hard.

A fodder fraccion states blades are useless against Hierro skin, and this Ikkaku's sword is more durable than a normal steel sword.

http://i5.mangapanda.com/bleach/203/bleach-13263.jpg

You cannot get 10km no matter how hard you try to downplay.

90 km is the bare MINIMUM. I'm only taking minimum values, nothing else.

That doesn't matter. It still doesn't show how long they were running. They could have been running for ten minutes, and you're assuming because of one statement that they were running for days.

Which obviously isn't true. Again, it took them all only a few hours to travel all over LN WHILE fighting espada in their down time.

It obviously takes less than three days to walk it, unless you're a little girl like Nel that can't keep her attention span.

So anything that moves air is mach 1? So me fanning myself with a hand is mach 1? Nice logic pal. 👆

Exactly. Bleach is riddled with plot devices like that, but you're only taking them into account unless they are detrimental to your argument. The plot devices like Nel keeping up with Ichigo, or Chad keeping up with people much faster than him. You're ignoring all these, so I'll ignore this one, meaning Orihime is, as I said earlier, A NORMAL ****ING HUMAN.

And? Chad can't run faster than a normal human, but he can keep up with people who can go about mach 10? Sounds like something you JUST brought up doesn't it? A plot device.

I don't have the scan or remember when it was stated, but you can probably remember this part if you try. It was when Rukia and Renji were kids, and no one had to eat outside of the soul reapers. Rukia got hungry, and a newly appointed soul reaper told her that if she didn't eat, she'd be dead in a few hours. That's what I'm talking about.

I forgot about that, it's been so long since I read Bleach. Anyway, a normal human can jog for 24 hours continuously, IF they are constantly eating healthy and drinking plenty of water while doing so. Otherwise, their bodies will completely drain themselves, and they'll run on their fat reserves, and completely destroy their internal organs by not sustaining them. So, that literally means nothing.

So now you ARE using the three day statement? Again, there's no indication of LN's size, because Nel said it took three days to walk across it, which is obviously a... what's it called, plot device?, and they rode on Bawawa to get to LN. There is NO cannon measure of LN.

OBVIOUSLY he was holding back. However, are you saying that Gremmy is weaker than Kenny when he fought Giriko? He's obviously not. Kenny was surprised at how strong Gremmy was, otherwise he wouldn't have needed to slash again to cut him. He would have been able to just because he was so much stronger than he used to be. However, he couldn't. He needed to use more strength than he did on Giriko, even though Kenny was much stronger than when he shat on Giriko. Unless you're saying that Kenny couldn't have broke Hitsugaya's ice casually with the same force that Gremmy easily blocked, then Hitsugaya's ice is NOWHERE NEAR steel level.

Where did it say that? Nowhere. Again, for all we know, those walls were made of common dry wall, making that feat unimpressive.

I can by arguing that Nel is a child, and can only walk about 2 hours a day at 2 km per hour, without food or water, as even Reishi beings need. This brings us to a total distance of 12 km crossed in three days, which is more accurate than your silly 90 km calc that puts a four year old at 4 km per hour walking for 12 hours a day.

👆

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
That doesn't matter. It still doesn't show how long they were running. They could have been running for ten minutes, and you're assuming because of one statement that they were running for days.

So they ran atleast a day's worth distance.

He can easily run an Ultra-marathon worth distance if he can run continuously for a day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon

Which obviously isn't true. Again, it took them all only a few hours to travel all over LN WHILE fighting espada in their down time.

It obviously takes less than three days to walk it, unless you're a little girl like Nel that can't keep her attention span.

So anything that moves air is mach 1? So me fanning myself with a hand is mach 1? Nice logic pal. 👆

Do an attack like this and show me, which creates a visible sonicboom in midair.

Exactly. Bleach is riddled with plot devices like that, but you're only taking them into account unless they are detrimental to your argument. The plot devices like Nel keeping up with Ichigo, or Chad keeping up with people much faster than him. You're ignoring all these, so I'll ignore this one, meaning Orihime is, as I said earlier, A NORMAL ****ING HUMAN.

Orihime's attack creating a sonicboom has nothing to do with plot. You're conveniently trying to bring up excuses because fodders in Bleach like Orihime and 4th seats are supersonic+.

And? Chad can't run faster than a normal human, but he can keep up with people who can go about mach 10? Sounds like something you JUST brought up doesn't it? A plot device.

Chad beating a hypersonic+ Privaron Espada was a feat to show Chad's power, not a plot device.

I forgot about that, it's been so long since I read Bleach. Anyway, a normal human can jog for 24 hours continuously, IF they are constantly eating healthy and drinking plenty of water while doing so. Otherwise, their bodies will completely drain themselves, and they'll run on their fat reserves, and completely destroy their internal organs by not sustaining them. So, that literally means nothing.

If a human gets to sleep for 12 hours, he can easily restore his energy and 12 hours walking at 4 km/h makes it 48 km per day.

So now you ARE using the three day statement? Again, there's no indication of LN's size, because Nel said it took three days to walk across it, which is obviously a... what's it called, plot device?, and they rode on Bawawa to get to LN. There is NO cannon measure of LN.

Bawabawa's speed is not required, so stop bringing that up.

He's obviously not. Kenny was surprised at how strong Gremmy was, otherwise he wouldn't have needed to slash again to cut him.

And its obviously a low showing like Whitebeard getting killed by bullets.

Where did it say that? Nowhere. Again, for all we know, those walls were made of common dry wall, making that feat unimpressive.

If fodder hollows can punch through buildings, Hitsugaya's ice is definitely strong enough to destroy buildings within 24km, making it city+ level.

I've also shown you scans of Ikkaku's blade being blocked by arrancar skin with his bare hands, and that blade is atleast as durable as a normal steel sword.

I can by arguing that Nel is a child, and can only walk about 2 hours a day at 2 km per hour, without food or water, as even Reishi beings need. This brings us to a total distance of 12 km crossed in three days, which is more accurate than your silly 90 km calc that puts a four year old at 4 km per hour walking for 12 hours a day.

Nel is a hollow and doesn't need food and water. Hollow's survive on the nourishment that HM's atmosphere provides.

Even if she sleeps for 9 hours everyday and walks for 15 hours at 2 km/h, she can walk 30 km a day making it 90km. And Nel was obviously referring to Ichigo (who she thinks is superhuman), and wasn't taking any resting time into account, so it should be atleast 90km no matter how much you try to downplay.

Even an observant guy like Ishida never objected to that statement.

Ulquiorra for the win hes clearly planet level lol

Clearly fanboying but nah foreal he is in between city and country level

He's just city level

Nothing in Bleach is island level, let alone country level

Originally posted by Blazing Storm
Wrong. Ichigo won't collapse if they ran only for 10 minutes, as he's shown the ability to run for an entire day on a treadmill.

So they ran atleast a day's worth distance.

He can easily run an Ultra-marathon worth distance if he can run continuously for a day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarathon

That's because Ichigo was flying at Hypersonic+ speeds and not walking.

Wrong. I've already proved it does since Ichigo and co ran towards it for hours yet didn't get any closer.

Fanning yourself with a fan doesn't create a sonicboom, which Orihime's attack created.

Do an attack like this and show me, which creates a [b]visible sonicboom in midair.

No normal human can beat a hollow who has enough power to punch through concrete.

Orihime's attack creating a sonicboom has nothing to do with plot. You're conveniently trying to bring up excuses because fodders in Bleach like Orihime and 4th seats are supersonic+.

Who said Chad can't run faster than a normal human? You're the one who brought that up.

Chad beating a hypersonic+ Privaron Espada was a feat to show Chad's power, not a plot device.

That's why I'm using 12 hours of WALKING with 12 hours of rest. not running

If a human gets to sleep for 12 hours, he can easily restore his energy and 12 hours walking at 4 km/h makes it 48 km per day.

I have 2 proofs to quantify LN as Island sized:
1. Nel's statement of a 3 day walk
2. Ichigo and his friends running for hours and still not getting any closer

Bawabawa's speed is not required, so stop bringing that up.

Doesn't matter. Gremmy said his body was MORE resistant than steel

And its obviously a low showing like Whitebeard getting killed by bullets.

What dry wall? That's a building and building walls are made of concrete.

If fodder hollows can punch through buildings, Hitsugaya's ice is definitely strong enough to destroy buildings within 24km, making it city+ level.

I've also shown you scans of Ikkaku's blade being blocked by arrancar skin with his bare hands, and that blade is atleast as durable as a normal steel sword.

Oh wait...how do you think she survived all these years in HM without food and water? Lel.

Nel is a hollow and doesn't need food and water. Hollow's survive on the nourishment that HM's atmosphere provides.

Even if she sleeps for 9 hours everyday and walks for 15 hours at 2 km/h, she can walk 30 km a day making it 90km. And Nel was obviously referring to Ichigo (who she thinks is superhuman), and wasn't taking any resting time into account, so it should be atleast 90km no matter how much you try to downplay.

Even an observant guy like Ishida never objected to that statement. [/B]

I'm done with this stupid excuse for a debate. Everyone on here, even the people I constantly disagree with, can see that you're clearly fan-wanking Bleach so out of proportion, it's not even funny.

At this point, it would just me be repeating myself constantly though, as you seem to enjoy avoiding other peoples arguments to give yourself a false sense of superiority. Whatever helps you sleep at night, man.

Nel never said that the Gate was on the other aside of the dome. She was pointing in the direction of the desert and said "it's that direction". So she's probably referring to another under tunnel gate (like the other gate) that leads into the dome. There were no ground lvl doors and that climate was man-made, iirc.

Also, isn't the population of arrancars only in the hundreds? Why create a country sized dome for such a small population?

Btw, I don't think that is an actual sonic boom.

I also have to point out the nail in the coffin. Reji implies that it would take them 3 days to travel the Gate and that it would be troublesome. Yet everyone gets to the center of the dome in less than a day. So for the Gate to be near the dome doesn't make much sense...