Can the Basilisk fang destroy the Ring ?

Originally posted by Epicurus
Your point was that he resisted it due to Gandalf's alleged scare tactics(which are part of your opinion only), which is directly contradicted by later scenes of him giving into the temptation of using it against Smaug. You were proven wrong, troll. Move on.

Both serve different functions. One is meant to be the means to power and domination of the LoTR world while the other is meant to protect its maker from death. Prove that they are similar. You also said that they are basically the same thing here: and here: You flip-flop worse than an actual flip-flop.

You absolutely implied that here:
Which basically means that Sauron's power is his soul. Care to back up this ridiculous assertion?

I posted evidence refuting your laughable claims that he resisted the lava. Lava killed him while Harry survived the fang which destroyed a horcrux. Awful showing.

Scare tactics failed to prevent Bilbo from using the Ring, as evidenced against Smaug. You're lying again, not that it is a surprise since that is all you do; lie and make sh1t up.

Which is a feat exactly how? Unless the horcruxes have some uber durability feats which I(your superior when it comes to Harry Potter lore) missed? Fang fails to destroy the ring based on all the evidence posted.

I didn't say both had the exact same effect I said both had many different similarities. The ring contained a part of Sauron whereas the Horcruxes contain certain parts of Voldemort's soul.

Similarities.

1. Contain portion of makers soul
2. Provide immortality or the able to return to a physical body
3. Extremely durable
4. Leads Wielder into more negative emotions throughout time

Sauron placed an enchantment on the ring in by the other people accepting the other rings give him dominion over them by their acceptance.

No, that doesn't mean that at all. That means both contain portions of the soul and give the maker the ability to return to their body. Sauron's power comes through the acceptance of the people of a middle Earth over the other rings. His ring was made in secret and held dominion over the other rings. That's where his power lies. His soul also lies in the ring just like a Horcrux. Unlike certain Horcruxes the ring can't actively try to protect itself.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
Goblin-made things among wizards are very rare, because the goblins believe that once the intended recipient is dead, the things should go back to the goblins, because in the end goblins made it, goblins own it.

That is why the goblin in "The Deathly Hallows" betrayed the trio, taking the sword once they had the cup. It only reappeared later, when Neville Longbottom pulled it out of the Sorting Hat right before he killed Nagini with it.

So, very few goblin-made items. The thing about goblins is that they make things very intricately, and they also build things that are meant to last for ever. While the objects in themselves are not powerful, they have the potential to become very powerful, because, to put it simply, "What doesn't kill it, makes it stronger." Which is the case with the basilisk venom. After Chamber of Secrets, the sword is officially basilikified because Harry runs it through the head of the basilisk, directly going through the mouth, where ready venom is kept [also why basilisk fangs work so well.] Which is why ONLY the sword of gryffindor worked. Other blades would have just dissolved in the basilisk venom.

And by the way quan, thanks for never answering me directly. I don't mind if someone accidentally misses the gender thing, most of the posters on this site ARE male. Stop belaboring little, nonsensical points, stop calling people names, START thinking before you post. Right now you're just too easy to disprove.

Originally posted by The Scenario
That's a shame, since it's the only thing that can prove your case.

All you really need to do is prove that Nagini can resist an axe or something.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Do you ever find it odd that no one agrees with you?

Originally posted by Firefly218
Do you ever find it odd that no one agrees with you?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I would rather keep you in the dark since you believe otherwise. To even raise such an awful defense it is clear you aren't familiar with the Horcruxes if at all.

Why do you refuse to debate me?

Originally posted by The Scenario
Why do you refuse to debate me?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gandalf told him to give him the ring whereas Bilbo used the ring to avoid Smaug. It is comparing apples to oranges. Gandalf scared the lust for the ring right out of him and he gave it away. Weak sauce.

I didn't say both had the exact same effect I said both had many different similarities. The ring contained a part of Sauron whereas the Horcruxes contain certain parts of Voldemort's soul.

Similarities.

1. Contain portion of makers soul
2. Provide immortality or the able to return to a physical body
3. Extremely durable
4. Leads Wielder into more negative emotions throughout time

Sauron placed an enchantment on the ring in by the other people accepting the other rings give him dominion over them by their acceptance.

No, that doesn't mean that at all. That means both contain portions of the soul and give the maker the ability to return to their body. Sauron's power comes through the acceptance of the people of a middle Earth over the other rings. His ring was made in secret and held dominion over the other rings. That's where his power lies. His soul also lies in the ring just like a Horcrux. Unlike certain Horcruxes the ring can't actively try to protect itself.

Same effect? Are you illiterate? I accused you of proclaiming both as being the same thing, not that they have the same effect. Which is what you did, and then flip-flopped like zopzop. You can't even stick to a claim that you make. Awful. 👇

1.Prove that the Ring contains his soul. Provide a screencap of where it's mentioned. Unless you do, this is an assumption on your part.
2.Irrelevant. The Ring serves a higher function than just protection from death.
3.The Ring can only be destroyed by the lava from a particular volcano, while horcruxes can be damaged by fiendfyre, destroyed by basilisk venom, and by the AK(as we saw with the horcrux sealed in Harry's soul).
4.Irrelevant, not to mention that the RIng's influence is stronger than a horcrux's since everyone who's work the Ring has given into the temptation while Ron, Ginny and Harry have resisted it.

Yes, which means that he intended the Ring to be a weapon to be wielded by others. Which is directly dissimilar to Voldemort going to great lengths to protect his horcruxes. You make useless point after useless point and don't feel the slightest bit of shame about it.😂

The Ring and the Horcrux serve different functions, as evidenced by the movies. One is forged to be a weapon for the domination of Middle Earth while the other is a safeguard against death created by Riddle. Again, prove that his power is his soul, since it's power which is sealed within the Ring. Unlike certain horcruxes, the Ring doesn't need to actively protect itself since there is only one foolproof way of destroying it and doing so is a suicide mission as we saw with Sam and Frodo who were nearly killed in the volcano themselves were it not for Gandalf's giant eagles. 👆

Originally posted by Epicurus
Yep, which validates my point and disproves yours. He still used it despite Gandalf's warning. No, it's not comparing apples to oranges. What it is is that you're blatantly wrong, and you being you simply can't be man enough to admit it. 🙂

Same effect? Are you illiterate? I accused you of proclaiming both as being the same thing, not that they have the same effect. Which is what you did, and then flip-flopped like zopzop. You can't even stick to a claim that you make. Awful. 👇

1.Prove that the Ring contains his soul. Provide a screencap of where it's mentioned. Unless you do, this is an assumption on your part.
2.Irrelevant. The Ring serves a higher function than just protection from death.
3.The Ring can only be destroyed by the lava from a particular volcano, while horcruxes can be damaged by fiendfyre, destroyed by basilisk venom, and by the AK(as we saw with the horcrux sealed in Harry's soul).
4.Irrelevant, not to mention that the RIng's influence is stronger than a horcrux's since everyone who's work the Ring has given into the temptation while Ron, Ginny and Harry have resisted it.

Yes, which means that he intended the Ring to be a weapon to be wielded by others. Which is directly dissimilar to Voldemort going to great lengths to protect his horcruxes. You make useless point after useless point and don't feel the slightest bit of shame about it.😂

The Ring and the Horcrux serve different functions, as evidenced by the movies. One is forged to be a weapon for the domination of Middle Earth while the other is a safeguard against death created by Riddle. Again, prove that his power is his soul, since it's power which is sealed within the Ring. Unlike certain horcruxes, the Ring doesn't need to actively protect itself since there is only one foolproof way of destroying it and doing so is a suicide mission as we saw with Sam and Frodo who were nearly killed in the volcano themselves were it not for Gandalf's giant eagles. 👆

You're the one flip flopping around. I listed the similarities. 🙂

When the ring is destroyed Sauron dies. It contained his will aka soul.

There is a different enchantment on it which I already explained to you since you didn't understand it yourself.

A Horcrux was never destroyed by Fiendfyre. The fang did so. One left in flesh isn't as durable as one left in an intimate object. Obviously, dummy.

False. No one ever wore a Horcrux for as long as those who wore the ring. Bilbo wore it for years and gave it away after Gandalf basically scared him. Weak. Like you. Two birds of a feather stick together.

Their main purpose is different but they both provide a means to return to a body until that object is destroyed. Similar, kiddo.

Fang wrecks the ring which in the end only resisted a strike from a dwarf with an axe.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I do not refuse to debate you but I do expect you to be somewhat knowledgable about the topics you post in.

And I expect you to provide evidence.

Originally posted by The Scenario
And I expect you to provide evidence.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sometimes I like keeping the ignorant in the dark.

Master Sword > One Ring > Every Horcrux put together

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gandalf didn't know he had it. When he found out he scared it out of the hobbit. Scared the greed out of him. Undeniable. Gave it away willingly.

You're the one flip flopping around. I listed the similarities. 🙂

When the ring is destroyed Sauron dies. It contained his will aka soul.

There is a different enchantment on it which I already explained to you since you didn't understand it yourself.

A Horcrux was never destroyed by Fiendfyre. The fang did so. One left in flesh isn't as durable as one left in an intimate object. Obviously, dummy.

False. No one ever wore a Horcrux for as long as those who wore the ring. Bilbo wore it for years and gave it away after Gandalf basically scared him. Weak. Like you. Two birds of a feather stick together.

Their main purpose is different but they both provide a means to return to a body until that object is destroyed. Similar, kiddo.

Fang wrecks the ring which in the end only resisted a strike from a dwarf with an axe.

A very unfunny "No You!" response. I disproved your silly similarities.

So you have screencaps showing where it is mentioned that his soul is his power?

What enchantment are you talking about now?

I am saying that it was damaged by fiendfyre, you hopeless tool. Do you not know how to read? Nagini was also a horcrux in the flesg. Would the AK fail on the other horcruxes iyo?

Ginny kept the diary with her for over a year. You're lying as usual now that you've been cornered into a quanbust again. Lol, what scare tactics are you ranting about now? First you cite the movies and now you claim that he gave it to Gandalf after years? Even though he had just recently acquired the Ring in the Goblins' underground tavern when he first met the Gollum? This debating stuff is clearly too much for you since you can't even put 2 and 2 together.

So you concede that they have different functions? Awesome. And you're no longer flip-flopping from claiming that they're the same thing to then saying they're not? That too is awesome. Seems like we're finally making some real progress here with the taming and education of the The Quan.

No it doesn't. The Ring is more durable than the horcruxes and can only be destroyed by the lava from a particular volcano. That's canon and indisputable at this point.👆

Originally posted by Epicurus
Him using it against Smaug later on proves you incorrect. When was it ever directly shown in the movie that he knew that the Ring was in Bilbo's possession? He suspected something was off, but he was never directly alluded to as being aware of the Ring's presence.

A very unfunny "No You!" response. I disproved your silly similarities.

So you have screencaps showing where it is mentioned that his soul is his power?

What enchantment are you talking about now?

I am saying that it was damaged by fiendfyre, you hopeless tool. Do you not know how to read? Nagini was also a horcrux in the flesg. Would the AK fail on the other horcruxes iyo?

Ginny kept the diary with her for over a year. You're lying as usual now that you've been cornered into a quanbust again. Lol, what scare tactics are you ranting about now? First you cite the movies and now you claim that he gave it to Gandalf after years? Even though he had just recently acquired the Ring in the Goblins' underground tavern when he first met the Gollum? This debating stuff is clearly too much for you since you can't even put 2 and 2 together.

So you concede that they have different functions? Awesome. And you're no longer flip-flopping from claiming that they're the same thing to then saying they're not? That too is awesome. Seems like we're finally making some real progress here with the taming and education of the The Quan.

No it doesn't. The Ring is more durable than the horcruxes and can only be destroyed by the lava from a particular volcano. That's canon and indisputable at this point.👆

No, you can't as they are facts. I know how facts sometimes get in the way of your bias. Get over it.

I never said his soul was his power. Just like the Horcruxes do not have to do with Voldemort's magical ability power while in his body. Sauron's enchantment and trickery of the people of middle earth is what gave the rings their power.

False. The Horcrux was destroyed and the soul being released came into contact with the fire. At no point does it damage a Horcrux which is a powerful object with the soul in the object not escaping out of it.

🙂

Gandalf scared him as an older hobbit which means he had it for years. Are you having trouble following along through the clip ? Your intelligence is simply awful. Years passed from the Hobbit to the Fotr. You're a train wreck.

I never said they shared everything in common. I said a few functions were the same.

False. We use feats here. The only thing it resisted was a dwarf axe. Your logic only applies to the Lotr verse not others. If you took your logic at face value then the Lt couldn't even destroy it.

You're dense. Fang wrecks something that only resisted a dwarf axe.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Smaug incident was prior to him knowing it was without a doubt in his possession. Do you honestly think he'd leave a ring of that magnitude with him if he knew all those years. Wtf is wrong with your brain.

No, you can't as they are facts. I know how facts sometimes get in the way of your bias. Get over it.

I never said his soul was his power. Just like the Horcruxes do not have to do with Voldemort's magical ability power while in his body. Sauron's enchantment and trickery of the people of middle earth is what gave the rings their power.

False. The Horcrux was destroyed and the soul being released came into contact with the fire. At no point does it damage a Horcrux which is a powerful object with the soul in the object not escaping out of it.

🙂

Gandalf scared him as an older hobbit which means he had it for years. Are you having trouble following along through the clip ? Your intelligence is simply awful. Years passed from the Hobbit to the Fotr. You're a train wreck.

I never said they shared everything in common. I said a few functions were the same.

False. We use feats here. The only thing it resisted was a dwarf axe. Your logic only applies to the Lotr verse not others. If you took your logic at face value then the Lt couldn't even destroy it.

You're dense. Fang wrecks something that only resisted a dwarf axe.

😂

But I already did. Deal with it.

Saying that the Ring contains his a soul is saying that his soul is his power. A baseless claim at the end of the day. The horcruxes are meant as safeguards to protect Voldy from death, not used as magical weapons of corruption like Sauron does with the Ring. Do you not see such a basic difference between the 2 items?

You really are a hopeless dunce. I claimed that it was damaged by the fiendfyre, which is very clearly was before they stabbed it with the fang. Now by claiming that the soul being came into contact with the fire, you're just validating my point.

What the heck are you talking about? We don't know what exactly happens to the Ring yet as the coming movies haven't been released. You can't just make sh1t up on your own and claim it as objective fact. Worst form of debating I have seen ever.

You claimed that they were the same thing in theory. I posted the quotes in a previous reply. Now you're predictably flip-flopping all over again. But anyways, this is where you make these silly claims:

Originally posted by quanchi112
but ultimately was the same thing as a Horcrux.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The ring is essentially a Horcrux in theory

The feats demonstrated by the horcruxes showcase that they absolutely are absolutely inferior to the Ring in terms of durability and general dexterity.

You're a troll. Fang fails on the Ring as badly as it succeeded on fragile things called horcruxes. 🙂

Originally posted by Epicurus
The Smaug incident occurred at the end of the movie, you witless tool. Around the same time that Gandalf was captured by Sauron. Are you suggesting that Gandalf somehow tped the Ring away from Bilbo?

But I already did. Deal with it.

Saying that the Ring contains his a soul is saying that his soul is his power. A baseless claim at the end of the day. The horcruxes are meant as safeguards to protect Voldy from death, not used as magical weapons of corruption like Sauron does with the Ring. Do you not see such a basic difference between the 2 items?

You really are a hopeless dunce. I claimed that it was damaged by the fiendfyre, which is very clearly was before they stabbed it with the fang. Now by claiming that the soul being came into contact with the fire, you're just validating my point.

What the heck are you talking about? We don't know what exactly happens to the Ring yet as the coming movies haven't been released. You can't just make sh1t up on your own and claim it as objective fact. Worst form of debating I have seen ever.

You claimed that they were the same thing in theory. I posted the quotes in a previous reply. Now you're predictably flip-flopping all over again. But anyways, this is where you make these silly claims:
Clearly, that's not you who's writing down this awful garbage, but a phantom poster who somehow managed to not only just copy your username but also your avi, sig and KMC-bio.

The feats demonstrated by the horcruxes showcase that they absolutely are absolutely inferior to the Ring in terms of durability and general dexterity.

You're a troll. Fang fails on the Ring as badly as it succeeded on fragile things called horcruxes. 🙂

No, it isn't. It just means the ring contains his soul. Not once did I say his soul is his power it is the enchantment over the people. Now quit being confused.

The Horcruxes did corrupt as proven by Ron and the others wearing it. Proven.

When the soul leaves it is more longer a Horcrux. It is only a Horcrux with the soul inside. We see the soul come into contact not the object damaged at all. You're dense and confused. Happens to you probably everyday.

Yes, the same thing in regards to the similarities I listed.
🙂 🙂

Absolutely false. Ring only resisted a dwarf axe. Horcrux resisted Potter magic. Horcrux has better resistant feats. Quit being emotional and actually debate.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Dude, Gandalf took the ring from Bilbo when Bilbo was old. That means Bilbo had it for years after the Smaug incident yet still gave it away despite all those years with it. The clip I posted was from the Fotr. At this point it is clear you are clueless and just confused. It's ok, little one. I'll walk you through it.

No, it isn't. It just means the ring contains his soul. Not once did I say his soul is his power it is the enchantment over the people. Now quit being confused.

The Horcruxes did corrupt as proven by Ron and the others wearing it. Proven.

When the soul leaves it is more longer a Horcrux. It is only a Horcrux with the soul inside. We see the soul come into contact not the object damaged at all. You're dense and confused. Happens to you probably everyday.

Yes, the same thing in regards to the similarities I listed.
🙂 🙂

Absolutely false. Ring only resisted a dwarf axe. Horcrux resisted Potter magic. Horcrux has better resistant feats. Quit being emotional and actually debate.

😂

Which means that his power is his soul.🙄 Your reading comprehension skills are as awful as your debating skills in general.

Yep, and their corruption faded in a matter of days in Ron's case. The Ring on the other hand, as you yourself proved, influenced Bilbo for decades. Massive power gap between the 2. 👆

What the hell are you talking about? 😬 A horcrux is a piece of soul, simply sealed off within a foreign object for safekeeping. Going by your awful logic, that means Riddle in Chamber of Secrets was no longer a horcrux. What evidence do you have to prove your baseless claim?

Absolutely true. Ring can only be destroyed by the lava of one particular volcano. Horcruxes on the other hand can be damaged by fiendfyre, destroyed by basilisk venom, the AK, and can be resisted by children. Awful.👇

If you watched that clip you so thoughtfully provided, Quan, you would see that after the Trio stabbed the diadem with fangs, they sent it swirling into the Room of Requirement, where it vanished into the Fiendfyre. PLUS, there are two things you have to deal with when you come by a Horcrux. First, you have to deal with the bit of Voldemort's soul - with the locket, there were the visions that came out of it, trying to persuade Ron to let it be. With Riddle's diary, Riddle himself needed to be destroyed, with the ring, there was a death-spell, one that Dumbledore himself was too ambitious for. That was the thing that "killed" his hand. With the cup - the burning object and all the repetitive objects. So while basilisk venom destroyed the Horcrux, the Fire destroyed the nasty spell.

Only once the Horcrux is "empty" can you destroy the Horcrux itself. It's like water in a cup. You have to deal with what's IN IT first, before you can deal with the cup.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Where was it mentioned in the movies that Gandy took it from Bilbo when he was old? For all we know, the Hobbit could retcon that piece of info based on the books. You don't even think things through before posting random clips. But still, let's play your game. It took years of exposure to the Ring's influence and a final prod from Gandalf to finally break Bilbo Baggins(the toughest hobbit from LoTRdom) free of the Ring's influence. On the other hand Ginny, a fairly weak-willed child at that point, was able to resist the diary's influence within a matter of months, which prompted Riddle to drain her life force. Heck, Ron/Harry/Hermione resisted the Slytherin heirloom which tried to turn them against each other. The Ring's corruptible influence is far and away stronger than the Horcrux's.😂

Which means that his power is his soul.🙄 Your reading comprehension skills are as awful as your debating skills in general.

Yep, and their corruption faded in a matter of days in Ron's case. The Ring on the other hand, as you yourself proved, influenced Bilbo for decades. Massive power gap between the 2. 👆

What the hell are you talking about? 😬 A horcrux is a piece of soul, simply sealed off within a foreign object for safekeeping. Going by your awful logic, that means Riddle in Chamber of Secrets was no longer a horcrux. What evidence do you have to prove your baseless claim?

Absolutely true. Ring can only be destroyed by the lava of one particular volcano. Horcruxes on the other hand can be damaged by fiendfyre, destroyed by basilisk venom, the AK, and can be resisted by children. Awful.👇

The diary wasn't on her person at all times to it is entirely different than wearing the corrupting item for longer periods of time. 🙂

We do see a hobbit after all those years just hand it over. 😂

No, it does not mean his power is his soul. You claiming Thats what it means shows how little you comprehend.

Riddle was defeated by destroying the diary. That was the part which looked away his soul, sport.

On Middle earth that is the only way to destroy it which has absolutely nothing to do with another universe that has much greater feats to it.

Potter magic is vastly more powerful than Lotr magic. 🙂

Originally posted by siriuswriter
If you watched that clip you so thoughtfully provided, Quan, you would see that after the Trio stabbed the diadem with fangs, they sent it swirling into the Room of Requirement, where it vanished into the Fiendfyre. PLUS, there are two things you have to deal with when you come by a Horcrux. First, you have to deal with the bit of Voldemort's soul - with the locket, there were the visions that came out of it, trying to persuade Ron to let it be. With Riddle's diary, Riddle himself needed to be destroyed, with the ring, there was a death-spell, one that Dumbledore himself was too ambitious for. That was the thing that "killed" his hand. With the cup - the burning object and all the repetitive objects. So while basilisk venom destroyed the Horcrux, the Fire destroyed the nasty spell.

Only once the Horcrux is "empty" can you destroy the Horcrux itself. It's like water in a cup. You have to deal with what's IN IT first, before you can deal with the cup.

Once you stab any Horcrux with the fang it is destroyed. Watch the Ron/Hermione scene. A wave comes after but the. Horcrux was already destroyed. Point proven again.

😂

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