Originally posted by quanchi112
The Hobbit hasn't retconned it. We see him literally scare it out of him.The diary wasn't on her person at all times to it is entirely different than wearing the corrupting item for longer periods of time. 🙂
We do see a hobbit after all those years just hand it over. 😂
No, it does not mean his power is his soul. You claiming Thats what it means shows how little you comprehend.
Riddle was defeated by destroying the diary. That was the part which looked away his soul, sport.
On Middle earth that is the only way to destroy it which has absolutely nothing to do with another universe that has much greater feats to it.
Potter magic is vastly more powerful than Lotr magic. 🙂
Incorrect. It was on her person when she flushed it down the toilet.
Decades(Bilbo) vs months(Ginny) & days(Ron). Not that I expect you to understand the difference.
Yes, it does, since power is what is sealed within that soul. Prove that the power is in fact, his soul.
You claimed that "When the soul leaves it is more longer a Horcrux". According to that, Riddle was no longer a horcrux once he left his container. You made the claim, now time to own up to it.
I am glad that you concede the Ring can only be destroyed via one method in this setting.🙂
Based on literally nothing whatsoever.👆
Originally posted by EpicurusThe diary wasn't worn and didn't have the years of corrupting influence. It is easier to reject so etching initially than years later anyways. Logic and all.
You don't know that. After decades of influence, unlike the diary which was overcome within a matter of months. LOL.Incorrect. It was on her person when she flushed it down the toilet.
Decades(Bilbo) vs months(Ginny) & days(Ron). Not that I expect you to understand the difference.
Yes, it does, since power is what is sealed within that soul. Prove that the power is in fact, his soul.
You claimed that "When the soul leaves it is more longer a Horcrux". According to that, Riddle was no longer a horcrux once he left his container. You made the claim, now time to own up to it.
I am glad that you concede the Ring can only be destroyed via one method in this setting.🙂
Based on literally nothing whatsoever.👆
The spell and the dominion over the other rings gave it his power which also contained some of his soul.
The Horcrux was not destroyed. The Horcrux can resist just like the locket. Once it is destroyed it cannot fight back. 😆
In that universe which is neither here nor there when we bring in outside characters. 🙂
Based on superior feats. 🙂
Your claim, as in who wins, can be an assumption. But the evidence backing the claim cannot be a series of assumptions.
In this case your evidence is inconclusive because the ring is specifically stated to be indestructible. Therefore, any weapon/artifact you bring up in the potter universe needs to be compatible with the LotR universe
Originally posted by quanchi112
The diary wasn't worn and didn't have the years of corrupting influence. It is easier to reject so etching initially than years later anyways. Logic and all.The spell and the dominion over the other rings gave it his power which also contained some of his soul.
The Horcrux was not destroyed. The Horcrux can resist just like the locket. Once it is destroyed it cannot fight back. 😆
In that universe which is neither here nor there when we bring in outside characters. 🙂
Based on superior feats. 🙂
Prove that it contained his soul. Prove that the soul is the same as power for him.
You claimed that it is no longer a horcrux once the soul leaves. Riddle left the diary in movie-2 for a more physical form. Time to put some substances. Unless you want to admit you made random crap up and lied.
Incorrect.
Which exist in quantasy land. Not in the actual movies themselves.
Originally posted by EpicurusVoldemort scared the shit out of the Malfoys. The diary did corrupt but like the ring wasn't all consuming. The point is unlike the ring could fight back. The ring being left after years of corruption is a worse offense than to the diary in much less time.
Except for the fact that it WAS in possession of the Malfoy family for years before being passed onto Ginny, and it didn't have any corrupting influence on Malfoy Sr, so....not sure what you're trying to get here.Prove that it contained his soul. Prove that the soul is the same as power for him.
You claimed that it is no longer a horcrux once the soul leaves. Riddle left the diary in movie-2 for a more physical form. Time to put some substances. Unless you want to admit you made random crap up and lied.
Incorrect.
Which exist in quantasy land. Not in the actual movies themselves.
When it was destroyed so was Sauron so acting like it didn't contain his energy or his soul is hilarious.
Once the soul leaves the physical item then it is no longer a Horcrux since the soul is out. That is the same in all instances, sport. You not understanding the simple concept is your own cross to bear.
This is simple logic which is common sense so continue to deny and pout all you like.
Resisting an axe isn't a great feat. You may think so in epidural land but most of us won't be fooled by your bias.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldemort scared the shit out of the Malfoys. The diary did corrupt but like the ring wasn't all consuming. The point is unlike the ring could fight back. The ring being left after years of corruption is a worse offense than to the diary in much less time.When it was destroyed so was Sauron so acting like it didn't contain his energy or his soul is hilarious.
Once the soul leaves the physical item then it is no longer a Horcrux since the soul is out. That is the same in all instances, sport. You not understanding the simple concept is your own cross to bear.
This is simple logic which is common sense so continue to deny and pout all you like.
Resisting an axe isn't a great feat. You may think so in epidural land but most of us won't be fooled by your bias.
I agree that it is indeed a worse offense, since the Ring is after all a darker and more dangerous object than the Diary after all.👆
So you mean to tell me that Sauron's power was his soul? Proof to back up this silly statement?
You claimed that the object is no longer a horcrux once the soul has left the container. Riddle left his container, which means that he was no longer a horcrux going by your awful logic. Do you even think before spouting random sh1t in your posts?
Considering that simple logic and common sense are concepts utterly alien to you, I find the irony in that sentence laughable.
Ring's ability to tank the Basilisk fang is in direct proportion to the Diary's ability to get owned by the same. I rest my case.
Originally posted by EpicurusYou are ignoring the fact they were all scared of him. The diary isn't the same thing as wearing the ring around either. A hobbit after years just gave it up. Awful.
Considering that Malfoy threw away the diary without considering the repercussions of what would happen once Voldy did return, incorrect. The Malfoy family, Ginny and Ron Weasely, and Harry Potter disagree with that bit of the book having a powerful corrupting influence.I agree that it is indeed a worse offense, since the Ring is after all a darker and more dangerous object than the Diary after all.👆
So you mean to tell me that Sauron's power was his soul? Proof to back up this silly statement?
You claimed that the object is no longer a horcrux once the soul has left the container. Riddle left his container, which means that he was no longer a horcrux going by your awful logic. Do you even think before spouting random sh1t in your posts?
Considering that simple logic and common sense are concepts utterly alien to you, I find the irony in that sentence laughable.
Ring's ability to tank the Basilisk fang is in direct proportion to the Diary's ability to get owned by the same. I rest my case.
A worse offense aka more humiliating but I am glad you agree. Progress.
His soul was tied into the fate of the ring. I never said his power was his soul. Ever. Quit making things up.
Once the Horcrux is destroyed when the soul leaves. Listen to what I say. My logic is sound whereas you have been backpedaling the entire time. In all instances of the Horcrux being stabbed out then the Horcrux was no more.
Coming from the guy who can't understand a simple point I find you hilariously incompetent.
Ring can't tank the basilisk fang. Only thing the ring resisted was a dwarf axe. Feats not bias determine this thread.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You are ignoring the fact they were all scared of him. The diary isn't the same thing as wearing the ring around either. A hobbit after years just gave it up. Awful.A worse offense aka more humiliating but I am glad you agree. Progress.
His soul was tied into the fate of the ring. I never said his power was his soul. Ever. Quit making things up.
Once the Horcrux is destroyed when the soul leaves. Listen to what I say. My logic is sound whereas you have been backpedaling the entire time. In all instances of the Horcrux being stabbed out then the Horcrux was no more.
Coming from the guy who can't understand a simple point I find you hilariously incompetent.
Ring can't tank the basilisk fang. Only thing the ring resisted was a dwarf axe. Feats not bias determine this thread.
Trying to go back on your words now, are you? At least you unwittingly agreed that the Ring is the worse of the 2 types of dark magical objects.
Meaning that his soul is his power. Prove this silly assertion.
Too late to take back your claim now. According to you, a horcrux ceases to be a horcrux once the soul has left it. Which means the diary was no longer a horcrux after Riddle abandoned it to assume a semi-physical form.
Nice attempt at a trollish retort, though it obviously failed.
Incorrect. Considering how easily a horcrux has the ability to get destroyed by the fang, it's only fair and logical to assume that the Ring can tank it with the same level of relative ease.
Originally posted by EpicurusVoldemort was without a body. There was still a huge sense of fear. Lucius shit his pants when Voldemort came back. We see the pale Orc demanding that Sauron give him the dwarf. No one dared make any demands of Voldemort. The hobbit after years of its corrupting influence gave it up to a depended voice with a larger shadow. 😂
I am ignoring the fact that Lucius being daring enough to get rid off an important heirloom which Voldemort himself entrusted with has nothing to do with anything. Just as their non-existent fear of him(most of the DEs except Snape, Wormtail and Crouch Jr thought he was dead) has nothing to do with anything. A strong-willed hobbit after years needed prodding from a powerful warlock to get to his senses and escape the ring's influence. As opposed to the horcrux which failed to completely corrupt a weak-willed individual in the form of Ron Weasely.Trying to go back on your words now, are you? At least you unwittingly agreed that the Ring is the worse of the 2 types of dark magical objects.
Meaning that his soul is his power. Prove this silly assertion.
Too late to take back your claim now. According to you, a horcrux ceases to be a horcrux once the soul has left it. Which means the diary was no longer a horcrux after Riddle abandoned it to assume a semi-physical form.
Nice attempt at a trollish retort, though it obviously failed.
Incorrect. Considering how easily a horcrux has the ability to get destroyed by the fang, it's only fair and logical to assume that the Ring can tank it with the same level of relative ease.
No, you simply didn't understand my usage of the word worst as in awful or embarrassing. 🙂
No, I never said his soul was his power nor did I say so for Voldemort. I don't have to prove claims I never made. Your lack of comprehension is flaring up again.
After it has been destroyed and the soul leaves. Don't leave out the other part of my claim. The soul never left the diary it just exerted its influence but was still in the diary until it was destroyed. If it wasn't destroying the diary would be useless.
😂 😂 😂
The ring has never tanked anything close to the potency of the fang. Resisting a dwarf axe isn't proof. 🙂
Ring durability feats are implied. It is clearly stated that nothing in the LotR universe can destroy the ring except Mt Doom.
Why would Frodo spend 3 movies travelling to Mt Doom if the ring could be destroyed by other means?
The burden is on you to provide conclusive evidence as to how the fang can destroy the ring. So far you haven't provided any relevant evidence.
Originally posted by Firefly218That only applies to Lotr characters.
Ring durability feats are implied. It is clearly stated that nothing in the LotR universe can destroy the ring except Mt Doom.Why would Frodo spend 3 movies travelling to Mt Doom if the ring could be destroyed by other means?
The burden is on you to provide conclusive evidence as to how the fang can destroy the ring. So far you haven't provided any relevant evidence.
Greater resistance feats than an axe. That simple.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That only applies to Lotr characters.Greater resistance feats than an axe. That simple.
Just because the ring doesn't have the feats is not evidence enough to say it can be destroyed.
That's like saying Spiderman can defeat Thanos, because Thanos doesn't have any durability feats.
Originally posted by Firefly218No limits fallacy. Thanos does have durability feats. If you don't you can't just assume without any kind of proof.
Just because the ring doesn't have the feats is not evidence enough to say it can be destroyed.That's like saying Spiderman can defeat Thanos, because Thanos doesn't have any durability feats.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Voldemort was without a body. There was still a huge sense of fear. Lucius shit his pants when Voldemort came back. We see the pale Orc demanding that Sauron give him the dwarf. No one dared make any demands of Voldemort. The hobbit after years of its corrupting influence gave it up to a depended voice with a larger shadow. 😂No, you simply didn't understand my usage of the word worst as in awful or embarrassing. 🙂
No, I never said his soul was his power nor did I say so for Voldemort. I don't have to prove claims I never made. Your lack of comprehension is flaring up again.
After it has been destroyed and the soul leaves. Don't leave out the other part of my claim. The soul never left the diary it just exerted its influence but was still in the diary until it was destroyed. If it wasn't destroying the diary would be useless.
😂 😂 😂
The ring has never tanked anything close to the potency of the fang. Resisting a dwarf axe isn't proof. 🙂
I understood them perfectly well enough to know that you concede that of the 2 dark objects, the horcux doesn't even compare to the Ring.
Yes you did. By claiming that the Ring was a theoretical horcrux, Mr Magic-isn't-equal-in-neutral-settings, you essentially claimed that the soul is part of his powerset. Awful.
Your original claim tells us that the diary was no longer a horcrux once Riddle left to assume a corporeal form. Don't try to back peddle from your words now.
The Ring wins like the champ trophy it is. Quan loses like the horrible loser he is. We all laugh at the unfolding tragedy. Life goes on as usual on as usual on KMC forums.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No limits fallacy. Thanos does have durability feats. If you don't you can't just assume without any kind of proof.
I'm not saying the ring couldn't POSSIBLY be destroyed by something from the Potter universe, I'm saying your evidence is not substantial enough to prove anything. That's not no limits fallacy.
Thanos does not have any durability feats in the MCU.
I have proof that the ring is indestructable. The council of leaders in LotR, intelligent wizards and various decades of documented myth confirm that the ring can only be destroyed in Mt. Doom. It's up to you to prove otherwise.