Originally posted by CPT Space BombThe Queen ***** of KMC who is wondering why every single post of yours reads like it was written after its user used up a box of kleenex to wipe away his tears and why you seem to think your masculinity is at stake any time someone thinks TFA might not be a great movie.
I'm sorry, who are you exactly? 😂
Originally posted by NemeBro
The Queen ***** of KMC who is wondering why every single post of yours reads like it was written after its user used up a box of kleenex to wipe away his tears and why you seem to think your masculinity is at stake any time someone thinks TFA might not be a great movie.
Look, I got no problem with the few people who don't like the movie. But what I do have a problem with is poor reasoning behind it.
As far as you're concerned Queen *****, you seem to be the one butthurt here.
Originally posted by quanchi112Spoiler:.
Kylo suffered too wounds by that time. She connected with the force. He's hurt. We also might find out in a later film she had repressed training.
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So his injuries hampered him enough to not beat Rey but not enough to let him reach Finn/Rey in a short amount of time, beat Finn, and force push Rey into a tree. Heck while that aspect of the fight is a minor annoyance compared to Rey being able to wrestle control from Kylo to get the lightsaber.If we find out she had prior training, is another Skywaker, or just hat good with the force in the sequel it will alleviate this but it's still annoying that the movie has to rely on its seqeul for that.
Ren was also
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incredibly emotionally unstable during the fight and he was exhausted (even at the start of the fight he's covered in sweat). Plus he was bleeding steadily and had intentionally opened his wounds. And he didn't seem to be trying to kill Rey but wanted to turn her instead.Also Rey might have repressed knowledge of the force and training.
All in all, Ren losing that fight makes sense. It was him on his absolute worst day vs Rey at her best and strongly channeling the Force.
Her wrestling the lightsaber might have to do with it calling to her or whatever.
Originally posted by NephthysWell spoken. But, I've tried using this reasoning.. It's futile. People will see what they want and dis what they want even if logically it doesn't make sense.
Ren was alsoSpoiler:
incredibly emotionally unstable during the fight and he was exhausted (even at the start of the fight he's covered in sweat). Plus he was bleeding steadily and had intentionally opened his wounds. And he didn't seem to be trying to kill Rey but wanted to turn her instead.Also Rey might have repressed knowledge of the force and training.
All in all, Ren losing that fight makes sense. It was him on his absolute worst day vs Rey at her best and strongly channeling the Force.
Her wrestling the lightsaber might have to do with it calling to her or whatever.
Originally posted by Quincy
Isn't it possible that it chose her?
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Exactly. The whole point was that the force choose the saber for her. It's less that that the saber is hers but rather it signifies her destiny as Luke's successor. It's like the sword in the stone. Kylo was incapable of lifting it, Ren was and so the blade and the destiny it represents is hers.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakkaIt is a trilogy and we already knew that going in.Spoiler:
So his injuries hampered him enough to not beat Rey but not enough to let him reach Finn/Rey in a short amount of time, beat Finn, and force push Rey into a tree. Heck while that aspect of the fight is a minor annoyance compared to Rey being able to wrestle control from Kylo to get the lightsaber.If we find out she had prior training, is another Skywaker, or just hat good with the force in the sequel it will alleviate this but it's still annoying that the movie has to rely on its seqeul for that.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Ren was alsoSpoiler:
incredibly emotionally unstable during the fight and he was exhausted (even at the start of the fight he's covered in sweat). Plus he was bleeding steadily and had intentionally opened his wounds. And he didn't seem to be trying to kill Rey but wanted to turn her instead.Also Rey might have repressed knowledge of the force and training.
All in all, Ren losing that fight makes sense. It was him on his absolute worst day vs Rey at her best and strongly channeling the Force.
Her wrestling the lightsaber might have to do with it calling to her or whatever.
Not saying your reasoning is invalid but
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I distinctly remember Rey getting knocked unconscious before the fight so that Finn could duel him. Recently getting up from that is not peak form.
But clearly this place wants nothing more than to hear it's own opinion echoed back. That's fine. I'm glad all of you liked the movie. 👆
Originally posted by ares834Spoiler:
Exactly. The whole point was that the force choose the saber for her. It's less that that the saber is hers but rather it signifies her destiny as Luke's successor. It's like the sword in the stone. Kylo was incapable of lifting it, Ren was and so the blade and the destiny it represents is hers.
.......what?
Originally posted by AuraAngel
Not saying your reasoning is invalid butSpoiler:
I distinctly remember Rey getting knocked unconscious before the fight so that Finn could duel him. Recently getting up from that is not peak form.But clearly this place wants nothing more than to hear it's own opinion echoed back. That's fine. I'm glad all of you liked the movie. 👆
Lol, dude it's a movie. Getting
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knocked unconscious doesn't mean shit. Yoda gets knocked out by Sidious and still gets up and opens up a can of whoopass with absolutely no ill effects. Rey showed no sign of injury.
It's cute that you want to think that's whats happening, but the truth is that you're just wrong. S Sorry.
The nerd!rage this duel is evoking from both sides is hilarious. It's not hard to grasp:
Ren took a shot to the stomach prior to the fight. Dude was clearly not in peak physical condition. Granted, in the EU and canon(?) Sith feed off such things, but we don't know if Ren {who is not a Sith} is capable of that. The novel also says, to whatever extent, Ren was toying with Finn. I agree that the film does not clearly convey that, but the novel is canon too and we have nothing explicit to contradict it.
On the other hand, he was up against a guy who was wielding a lightsaber for the second time in his life. And even in the novel, Ren is surprised at how much of a challenge Finn is. And for all the speculation surrounding Rey, we have no concrete evidence suggesting she's anything but a gifted neophyte.
This is neither the most ignominious defeat in Star Wars lore nor is it a display of breathtaking martial ability. 👆
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
But I never told anyone to **** off;
Damn right I'll swear at you when you tell me Star Wars isn't for me.
Personally I don't get how any Star Wars fan could hate the all Prequels. But I don't go around telling them Star Wars isn't for them.
And I don't even "Hate" TFA. I was just underwhelmed by it.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
The nerd!rage this duel is evoking from both sides is hilarious. It's not hard to grasp:Ren took a shot to the stomach prior to the fight. Dude was clearly not in peak physical condition. Granted, in the EU and canon(?) Sith feed off such things, but we don't know if Ren {who is not a Sith} is capable of that. The novel also says, to whatever extent, Ren was toying with Finn. I agree that the film does not clearly convey that, but the novel is canon too and we have nothing explicit to contradict it.
On the other hand, he was up against a guy who was wielding a lightsaber for the second time in his life. And even in the novel, Ren is surprised at how much of a challenge Finn is. And for all the speculation surrounding Rey, we have no concrete evidence suggesting she's anything but a gifted neophyte.
This is neither the most ignominious defeat in Star Wars lore nor is it a display of breathtaking martial ability. 👆
Yeah, I have no problem with that. That seems pretty fair. I just don't think it should be a criticism of the movie. It seems pretty silly for that to be considered something "bad" when there's so many glaring reasons it went down like that.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Personally I don't get how any Star Wars fan could hate the all Prequels.
Not even a little? Not the racism or shitty dialogue or the bad characters or the kind of crappy plot?
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Damn right I'll swear at you when you tell me Star Wars isn't for me.Personally I don't get how any Star Wars fan could hate the all Prequels. But I don't go around telling them Star Wars isn't for them.
And I don't even "Hate" TFA. I was just underwhelmed by it.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, I have no problem with that. That seems pretty fair. I just don't think it should be a criticism of the movie. It seems pretty silly for that to be considered something "bad" when there's so many glaring reasons it went down like that.
I understand the criticism in that Kylo, as The Heavy, is basically the film's foremost representation of villainy. In a genre film like Star Wars, much of the villain's credibility comes from their physical {or metaphysical} might.
So when the villain comes off as ineffective, even for reasons that are logical in-universe, some people view it as thematically inappropriate.