Star Wars: The Force Awakens

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Also it is cute that my questions of the Force correlate to Star Wars not being my cup of tea. Neat way to be dismissive of complaints. Next you'll be telling me little Ani's wooden acting is because a human born from the Force is bound to be weird.

As far as Hayden Christenson's wooden acting? Are you seriously trying to compare plot related points to George Lucas's poor choice in actors? Seriously? REALLY? You must be desperate.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Yah, NO. You're completely wrong. We are not hive minded beings. Ideas don't come to multiple people at the same time. There was one Davinci. There was one Einstein. There was one Tesla. Also, this is the Force; you know, a FICTIONAL entity that isn't tied down to what you want to believe. The fact that people are so up in arms about Rey only proves it's grounded in sexism. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Force is fictional and to try and put it in a box is just silly. Far sillier, in fact, than what Rey did in the movie.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Yah, NO. You're completely wrong. We are not hive minded beings. Ideas don't come to multiple people at the same time. There was one Davinci. There was one Einstein. There was one Tesla. Also, this is the Force; you know, a FICTIONAL entity that isn't tied down to what you want to believe. The fact that people are so up in arms about Rey only proves it's grounded in sexism. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Force is fictional and to try and put it in a box is just silly. Far sillier, in fact, than what Rey did in the movie.

Huh? People like Einstein first learned Physics and then took those teaching further.

He didn't just make up all of Physics on his own overnight. So yes I'm 100% right. These things get developed over generations by different people, and even then you need to learn what we know so far. You don't just think up an entire subject on your own and over night.

Of course the Force is fictional. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be consistent in it's use. The whole point of the Jedi is it's a group (with certain beliefs but let's put that aside for a sec), who teach everything they have learned for over a thousand generations.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Huh? People like Einstein first learned Physics and then took those teaching further.

He didn't just make up all of Physics on his own overnight. So yes I'm 100% right. These things get developed over generations by different people, and even then you need to learn what we know so far. You don't just think up an entire subject on your own and over night.

Of course the Force is fictional. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be consistent in it's use. The whole point of the Jedi is it's a group (with certain beliefs but let's put that aside for a sec), who teach everything they have learned for over a thousand generations.

See what I did there? I can twist your logic like you're trying to twist mine. Also, it's beyond stupid to try and compare the Force (a fictional entity) to real life. But here you are, defending your stance that a girl can't learn the force on her own because you don't like it....it doesn't make sense to YOU.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
You're right. There NEVER was an original idea by anyone ever. We're hive minded beings. We develop new ideas by multiple people every time. There are no world firsts. There are no instances of people designing or creating things from scratch. Oh, Wait......

See what I did there? I can twist your logic like you're trying to twist mine. Also, it's beyond stupid to try and compare the Force (a fictional entity) to real life. But here you are, defending your stance that a girl can't learn the force on her own because you don't like it....it doesn't make sense to YOU.

Why do you keep bringing up that it's a GIRL?

You're trying to make a "Possible" plot hole (and I'm saying possible because as I've said countless times it could be explained later), and trying to make it into an Anti-Feminist agenda.

The Force is like one of the biggest and deepest concepts in not only Star Wars but in cinema. So don't try downplaying it as an irrelevant part of the movie that can be screwed with as much as the writers want, and not have any effect on the quality of the movie.

Newsflash- the Whole Movie is Fictional/Fantasy. That's no excuse for "Possible" plot holes.

You want to name me some of these people who have created and designed a whole subject from scratch overnight?

And you also want to explain to me why Rey can do things with no training that neither the Chosen One or his Son could do with Zero training? I.e. The ones WE KNOW are Uber Uber talented in this art, couldn't do the stuff she's done at that level.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Next you'll be telling me little Ani's wooden acting is because a human born from the Force is bound to be weird.

This is your best post of all time, cherish it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Why do you keep bringing up that it's a GIRL?

The Force is like one of the biggest and deepest concepts in not only Star Wars but in cinema. So don't try downplaying it as an irrelevant part of the movie that can be screwed with as much as the writers want, and not have any effect on the quality of the movie.

Newsflash- the Whole Movie is Fictional/Fantasy. That's no excuse for "Possible" plot holes.

You want to name me some of these people who have created and designed a whole subject from scratch overnight?

And you also want to explain to me why Rey can do things with no training that neither the Chosen One or his Son could do with Zero training? I.e. The ones WE KNOW are Uber Uber talented in this art, couldn't do the stuff she's done at that level.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
The force does different things for different people. Anakin was able to pilot pods that no human could. Oh, and guess what, he did it at a young age with no training. Oh, and guess what, He was the best at it....Was it all him? Or was it the Force. HMMMMMMMMMMM........

Spoiler:
Unlike Luke or Anakin, Rey up until that point had at best a vague ideal of what the force was an suddenly she's able to beat someone of the Skywalker line who had training. Even if she is some force prodigy that's somehow more capable of using the force than either the Choosen One or his lineage, that's still a flaw with the movie for not giving the audience anything to go on other than speculation.

There's a lot we have a lot to speculate on. It's only the first episode of this trilogy.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Why do you keep bringing up that it's a GIRL?

You're trying to make a "Possible" plot hole (and I'm saying possible because as I've said countless times it could be explained later), and trying to make it into an Anti-Feminist agenda.

The Force is like one of the biggest and deepest concepts in not only Star Wars but in cinema. So don't try downplaying it as an irrelevant part of the movie that can be screwed with as much as the writers want, and not have any effect on the quality of the movie.

Newsflash- the Whole Movie is Fictional/Fantasy. That's no excuse for "Possible" plot holes.

You want to name me some of these people who have created and designed a whole subject from scratch overnight?

And you also want to explain to me why Rey can do things with no training that neither the Chosen One or his Son could do with Zero training? I.e. The ones WE KNOW are Uber Uber talented in this art, couldn't do the stuff she's done at that level.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
because this is one of the only (if not THE only) times where fanboys are crying about the use of the force. And it's a girl they're crying about. Kylo Ren is able to rip information from people's minds against their will, and stop blaster lazers in mid air...but no one is crying about that. No, they're only saying it's bullshit that a girl can learn the force on her own and use said force to defeat the villain.

Because Kylo Ren has frigging Training.

You're just crying about this 1 justified complaint people has for no reason, and trying to turn it into a Sexism issue. Shame on you.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
so yah, maybe Star Wars isn't for you either.

Yeah F*** you too.

I'm actually a Fan of the whole series. Unlike you who needs the permission of critics to like a Star Wars movie.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Because Kylo Ren has frigging Training.

You're just crying about this 1 justified complaint people has for no reason, and trying to turn it into a Sexism issue. Shame on you.

Yeah F*** you too.

I'm actually a Fan of the whole series. Unlike you who needs the permission of critics to like a Star Wars movie.

You got called out by someone else. It's because it's obvious to all.

Originally posted by Quincy
There's a lot we have a lot to speculate on. It's only the first episode of this trilogy.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Exactly. People want to criticize this movie because it leaves alot of things open. It's ****ing pathetic. A New Hope mentioned tons of stuff that we just had to go with. It left a lot open and mysterious, but fanboys are so self entitled and unimaginative nowadays they need everything explained to them like a toddler. I happen to think it's fun speculating on the future of this great series. I like all the movies somewhat; some definitely more than others. I can put aside my "need to know" and wait to see what the future brings us. The problem is, others can't.

Nicely said.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Exactly. People want to criticize this movie because it leaves alot of things open. It's ****ing pathetic. A New Hope mentioned tons of stuff that we just had to go with. It left a lot open and mysterious, but fanboys are so self entitled and unimaginative nowadays they need everything explained to them like a toddler. I happen to think it's fun speculating on the future of this great series. I like all the movies somewhat; some definitely more than others. I can put aside my "need to know" and wait to see what the future brings us. The problem is, others can't.

Why does it bother you so much that some people take issue with the film? Disagreement and discourse are one thing, but you're outright hostile lol.

Originally posted by Bentley
This is your best post of all time, cherish it.

I-I'll do my best.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
You are making the mistake of trying to put the Force in a box, as others are. But others are not trying to say that if it doesn't fit in their box, that it's bad writing. Like I said, maybe SW isn't for you if you can't handle the mysticism of it.

As far as Hayden Christenson's wooden acting? Are you seriously trying to compare plot related points to George Lucas's poor choice in actors? Seriously? REALLY? You must be desperate.

I'm pretty sure George Lucas has heard midichlorians called bad writing because it didn't fit people's box.

But let's say you're right. Let us say that the Force chose

Spoiler:
Rey over Ben

Spoiler:
Rey is just flat out better with the Force, which is almost certainly the case.

Also wasn't talking about Hayden but Jake Lloyd. You're missing the point though. His acting is wooden because of poor direction. Likewise,

Spoiler:
Rey crushing Ben in use of the Force

By the way, come off the whole "you only hate Rey because she's a girl" thing.

Spoiler:
She knows the Falcon better than Han, is one of the best pilots in the franchise, crushes anyone she faces in martial combat, can figure out Force powers with little to no effort, and makes the new villain look like an amateur.

In comparison, Luke Skywalker(the person the films are comparing her too), is handily beaten up in his first fight, needs Ben's protection, is not as good a pilot as Han(though he is mentioned to be thoroughly good several times before ever getting in a ship, unlike Rey), and can only accomplish as much as he can through the Force because of Ben's help. He's a reasonably talented young man who had the potential to be great with a little hard work, guidance, and help along the way. Rey is so talented that she makes Finn seem sorta irrelevant to the story but we don't really know why. She gathered scrap, traded it for food, and then did nothing else onscreen to suggest being as capable as she is(putting on a helmet does not foreshadow being able to do such crazy stuff with the Falcon).

Trust me, I'd love to like Rey as a character and I'm still partial to her. Young girls(and boys, but mostly girls) deserve a Luke Skywalker for their generation. But things come so easy for her that the tension is more than a little lost. For me anyway. This is a divisive film it seems.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Why does it bother you so much that some people take issue with the film? Disagreement and discourse are one thing, but you're outright hostile lol.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Why does it bother you so much that some people take issue with the film? Disagreement and discourse are one thing, but you're outright hostile lol.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Trust me, I'd [b]love to like Rey as a character and I'm still partial to her. Young girls(and boys, but mostly girls) deserve a Luke Skywalker for their generation. But things come so easy for her that the tension is more than a little lost. For me anyway. This is a divisive film it seems. [/B]

Spoiler:

A) There is nothing wrong with what Rey did in the film. She is more powerful than Luke was. Who cares?
B) In your opinion there was no tension. That's not the same for everyone.
C) And the main thing you're not grasping.....It's A Trilogy. Not everything needs to be explained in one movie. There are questions that will be answered in future films. If you can't wait for said answers I don't know what to yell you.

Yeah, I never got that. Kylo Ren was trained by Luke and and Snoke, so how come he was wounded by Finn when they fought with Lightsabers?