Star Wars: The Force Awakens

Originally posted by NemeBro
No. Literally none of that shows that he was even possessed of a low cunning.

Joffrey was an idiot.

Also, "malicious" just means that someone has the desire to cause other people harm. Doesn't even begin to imply cunning.

Hey, want to know a spoiler?

Spoiler:
That was Littlefinger.

If someone is malicious & carries out the desire to cause harm, that implies the use of cunning.

Little Finger poisoned Joffrey.
Little Finger did not organise the midget troupe to humiliate Tyrion.
Joffrey did. Another cunning attempt to be malicious.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
If someone is malicious & carries out the desire to cause harm, that implies the use of cunning.

Is Gregor Clegane also cunning?

No, sorry, but you are 100%, completely and entirely wrong here. 👇

Being malicious and carrying out your malicious desires does not make you cunning. Joffrey doesn't do a single cunning thing in the books or show to my recollection.

Little Finger poisoned Joffrey.

Actually, Olenna Tyrell did, he just conspired with her.

Little Finger did not organise the midget troupe to humiliate Tyrion.

Yes, he did. Littlefinger organized the stunt (or rather, convinced Joffrey to do it) so that there would be more circumstantial evidence to legitimize the claim that Tyrion is the one who killed Joffrey.

Now, technically this isn't from the show (I think, I don't remember them mentioning it), so I'll ask: which Joffrey are you referring to? The one from the books or the show? Not that it matters, as I'll elaborate on below.

Joffrey did. Another cunning attempt to be malicious.

Now, let's just pretend that Joffrey was behind hiring those dwarven entertainers. So what? Does it make him cunning? Cunning is defined as being clever in the use of special resources or skills in attaining an end.

You could conceivably argue that hiring dwarves to piss off his midget uncle is a cunning act (though it would be exceedingly stupid to do so, it is plain as day that putting on a midget clown act would piss Tyrion off, one doesn't even need to be mildly clever to see that, Tyrion's sensitivity about his stature is common knowledge), but does that make Joffrey cunning? No, not in the face of the mountains of evidence as well as explicit statements that Joffrey is an incompetent idiot. A single moment of extremely low cunning does not overturn his stupidity in executing Ned, or being easily manipulated by Sansa.

Not understanding this Joffrey praise, he was a terrific villain, as he was so easy to despise and he was one of the; if not the best cast from book to show in regards to look, traits and personality, but he was no cunning player, he was an idiot through and through.

Rob, you love Tywin, right?

^^^^NemeBro, I've never read the books so I'm basing all my opinions on the show.
The only incompetent idiot on the show would be Hodor & Joffrey is obviously far from that. An incompetent idiot wouldn't be capable of malice or revenge, that takes intelligence, regardless of immaturity. The fact that Joffrey constantly goes out of his way to be the antagonist & humiliate those he dislikes or feels threatened by, implies a use of cunningness.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
An incompetent idiot wouldn't be capable of malice or revenge, that takes intelligence, regardless of immaturity.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not understanding this Joffrey praise, he was a terrific villain, as he was so easy to despise and he was one of the; if not the best cast from book to show in regards to look, traits and personality, but he was no cunning player, he was an idiot through and through.

He was one of the best performances and most memorable characters in the show. He was also a complete moron.

You can see the difference between Joffrey & Hodor?

Yeah. Hodor's smarter 🙂

Hodor is a saint

Originally posted by NemeBro
He only did that once Tywin was around to legitimize his power. Because Joffrey is a spineless coward, you see.

And if Kylo Ren didn't like you or me he'd kill you himself because he isn't a cowardly little ****boy. Because he gets shot by a weapon that downs multiple stormtroopers and still goes after his enemies.

Look, I get that you hate this movie and that naturally you'd be biased toward it, but trying to sell Joffrey as being "more intimidating" than Ren is incredibly silly, just like trying to even argue that TPM is as well-regarded as this film was.

Darth Thor backing Joffrey over Kylo Ren is an affront to Star Wars.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
You quoted me saying they're both immature.

Where do you get "coward" from that?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nemebro kinda rapes you already.

You seriously have a thing about anal rape, don't you?

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
You seriously have a thing about anal rape, don't you?

You are a rape victim. Evidence and common sense just violate you. You're also a bit sensitive.

Hodor isn't incompetent. estahuh

Wow... this turned into a GoT thread all of a sudden?

I thought the point was that Joffrey and Kylo are somewhat similar (immature person (in position) of great power. Not that they are identical twins.

Now, back to TFA.

Originally posted by queeq
Wow... this turned into a GoT thread all of a sudden?

Funny enough, there was a handful of GOT's cast playing StormTroopers in TFA, not just Brienne playing Phasma.

Originally posted by Inhuman

😂

Keep them coming, Inhuman 👆

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Funny enough, there was a handful of GOT's cast playing StormTroopers in TFA, not just Brienne playing Phasma.

Still, we don't need to be debate GoT.