Originally posted by Esau CairnThey are not the same character. Joffrey is a known coward and completely freaks out when he loses his authority whereas Kylo while wounded seeks out those who oppose him. Kylo isn't cowardly at all and he doesn't whine like Joffrey.
Both acted immature for their age & status.
Originally posted by Darth Thorp
Not saying he was a physical beast or something Lol. But he clearly had power and was a pure sicko the way he'd abuse that power. That is intimidating IMO.More so than someone (Kylo) who throws child tantrums against furniture and computers, but you know will calm down later, and whose clearly conflicted when he does evil.
Joffrey would make you stare at your Dad's head for kicks. Wouldn't matter if he's angry or not. And without a bit of conflict or remorse in him.
Originally posted by Bentley
I had a vocabulary lapse, sorry there. I meant that he loses his temper and is prone to tantrums.
I.e. He acts like a brat.
Although he did whine about his Father and about his own conflict. But still I wouldn't necessarily call him a whiner, but definitely an immature brat.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They are not the same character. Joffrey is a known coward and completely freaks out when he loses his authority whereas Kylo while wounded seeks out those who oppose him. Kylo isn't cowardly at all and he doesn't whine like Joffrey.
Good point here, yes.
Kylo took a f*cking Bowcaster bolt... and it's safe to say Chewie upgraded his weapon before TFA.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Joffrey getting his ass kicked by Arya then blamed her friend who got killed shows cunning.Joffrey mistook that hooker as Tyrion's love interest & tortured & killed her.
That's pretty cunning in my opinion.He also went out of his way to break & humiliate Sansa every chance he got.
You need to be cunning before you can be malicious.
No. Literally none of that shows that he was even possessed of a low cunning.
Joffrey was an idiot.
Also, "malicious" just means that someone has the desire to cause other people harm. Doesn't even begin to imply cunning.
Joffrey also went out of his way to organise the troupe of midget performers to publicly humiliate Tyrion. Organising that performance without anyone's knowledge...to get the full shock value...kinda pretty much points to being cunning.
Hey, want to know a spoiler?
Spoiler:
That was Littlefinger.
Originally posted by Darth ThorHe had power purely because other people gave him that power, and even while theoretically being the most powerful man in Westeros he was still too much of an incompetent coward to do anything about his midget uncle slapping the shit out of him, and was clearly intimidated by Tywin.
Not saying he was a physical beast or something Lol. But he clearly had power and was a pure sicko the way he'd abuse that power. That is intimidating IMO.More so than someone (Kylo) who throws child tantrums against furniture and computers, but you know will calm down later, and whose clearly conflicted when he does evil.
Joffrey would make you stare at your Dad's head for kicks. Wouldn't matter if he's angry or not. And without a bit of conflict or remorse in him.
The difference is in how people who were actually in a position to fight back perceived him. Do you think that Robb found Joffrey intimidating? Or Stannis? Or even Balon ****ing Greyjoy? Not in the least, nor did any of their soldiers. They feared men like Tywin for their ruthlessness and ability to use that power effectively, or Gregor Clegane for his prowess in battle and his cruelty.
No one who wasn't one of Joffrey's ****boys or ****girls (Cersei is included here) were intimidated by Joffrey.
Now, if you found Ren to also be completely nonintimidating that's fine, but I take any claims that Joffrey was intimidating as a personal insult.
Originally posted by Darth ThorThat must be why Joffrey tortured and killed Tyrion, his immediate subordinate, for slapping the shit out of him, and why he was cowed by Tywin, also known as the real power behind the throne.
👆And both were cry babies. But like you said, Joffrey tortures and kills who he wants. Ren is Snoke's little b****, and all he seems to do is throw tantrums on furniture.
Kylo wasn't a wimp though. Joffrey was when he wasn't protected, I'll give that much to Kylo.
Originally posted by NemeBro
That must be why Joffrey tortured and killed Tyrion, his immediate subordinate, for slapping the shit out of him, and why he was cowed by Tywin, also known as the real power behind the throne.
Well he was utterly humiliating Tyrion right before he died.
And Tywin's a great point to bring up. He was cowed by Tywin, yet he was still a psychopathic King to everyone else. If he didn't like the look of you or me, or something we did, we'd quickly be given the choice of tongue or fingers. I think that is pretty intimidating tbh.
Originally posted by Darth ThorHe only did that once Tywin was around to legitimize his power. Because Joffrey is a spineless coward, you see.
Well he was utterly humiliating Tyrion right before he died.And Tywin's a great point to bring up. He was cowed by Tywin, yet he was still a psychopathic King to everyone else. If he didn't like the look of you or me, or something we did, we'd quickly be given the choice of tongue or fingers. I think that is pretty intimidating tbh.
And if Kylo Ren didn't like you or me he'd kill you himself because he isn't a cowardly little ****boy. Because he gets shot by a weapon that downs multiple stormtroopers and still goes after his enemies.
Look, I get that you hate this movie and that naturally you'd be biased toward it, but trying to sell Joffrey as being "more intimidating" than Ren is incredibly silly, just like trying to even argue that TPM is as well-regarded as this film was.
Joffrey's a moron who
Spoiler:
practically caused the war for absolutely idiotic, non-sensical reasons.
Tywin also literally sent Joffrey to bed once like a naughty child while he threw a tantrum. He's got no balls and he knows it. He's so incompetent even Sansa could have (and would have without Sandor stepping in) killed him at one point.
Originally posted by quanchi112
They are not the same character. Joffrey is a known coward and completely freaks out when he loses his authority whereas Kylo while wounded seeks out those who oppose him. Kylo isn't cowardly at all and he doesn't whine like Joffrey.
You quoted me saying they're both immature.
Where do you get "coward" from that?