Star Wars: The Force Awakens

Originally posted by Firefly218
Angel has my favorite series finale of any show ever. The fight was never over for Angel. It felt very Godfather like settling of all accounts and the Wesley death scene is heart-wrenching af

To be fair the fight was never over with Buffy either. Though I agree it was a great finale. The problem is that with Buffy the series dipped in quality as it got into the later seasons. Angel on the other hand began to pick up, especially once Buffy ended and for the first time all the focus was on Angel and it produced probably the best season.

Unfortunately Whedon's behavior kind of got the show cancelled. When it comes to renewing a show that is usually done late in the season. The season finales always air in May and so usually it's around March-May that you find out if it's being picked up for another season. Well when it came to the 6th season Joss didn't want to do that, he was essentially demanding they renew it for a 6th season right as the 5th season was beginning to air. So they chose not to renew it.

Originally posted by Surtur
When it comes to Whedon I agree with what Cracked.com said about him: he is funny and witty when trying to be funny and witty, and hilarious when trying to be serious.

Oh man, what a bitchy thing for them to say, especially since I can't remember the last time Cracked has actually made me laugh(They're still pretty informative though).

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes, but I feel like maybe if the Ultron movie had been the first Avengers film..I'd be thinking that was the better of the two.

Just because until Avengers came out we didn't really have a true super hero team movie. Not truly. We had Fantastic Four, but that was..well, ignoring the quality of those movies they also weren't apart of some grander universe like Avengers was.

I would compare it to like..if you showed a little kid from the late 1970's the first Star Wars movie..and then if you showed a kid from the modern age the first Star Wars movie. The 70's kid would be blown the f*ck away. The modern day kid? Eh.

I grew up never having watched Star Wars or knowing ANYTHING about it until I saw Revenge of the Sith. I loved it. Then I saw A New Hope a year later, and it blew me away.

^ Well everyone's different in that regard. I know a lot of youngsters today who are underwhelmed by ANH (sadly).

That said I don't agree with the A1 and AOU comparison. A1 is just the far far better film, even now in terms of rewatch value. And no I don't think the Marvel brand would have been as huge after A1 if the story was that of AOU instead.

Yeah, I agree. Plus, Ultron just wasn't as much of a fun villain as Loki was.

May not have been as fun a villain as Loki, Doesn't mean movie Ultron was bad as much of a bad rep he gets.

Originally posted by Kazenji
[ Doesn't mean movie Ultron was bad as much of a bad rep he gets. [/B]

Point is, cgi villain with cgi minions that look exactly like him doesn't really make him a stand out character.

IYO of course, Fair enough if that's how you felt about the villain.

Originally posted by Kazenji
IYO of course, Fair enough if that's how you felt about the villain.

Not so much my opinion, I was referring to all the "bad rep" the critics said about Ultron.

Also Spader's talent being wasted on a one dimensional cgi character.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Not so much my opinion, I was referring to all the "bad rep" the critics said about Ultron.

Also Spader's talent being wasted on a one dimensional cgi character.

Originally posted by Surtur
To be fair the fight was never over with Buffy either. Though I agree it was a great finale. The problem is that with Buffy the series dipped in quality as it got into the later seasons. Angel on the other hand began to pick up, especially once Buffy ended and for the first time all the focus was on Angel and it produced probably the best season.

Unfortunately Whedon's behavior kind of got the show cancelled. When it comes to renewing a show that is usually done late in the season. The season finales always air in May and so usually it's around March-May that you find out if it's being picked up for another season. Well when it came to the 6th season Joss didn't want to do that, he was essentially demanding they renew it for a 6th season right as the 5th season was beginning to air. So they chose not to renew it.

The Angel cancellation on the other hand is the executives fault, not Whedon. Whedon was simply trying to get early confirmation of renewal so his crew wouldn't be in limbo wondering if they have jobs or not and could get a head start finding new jobs. If Whedon waited until the beginning of pilot season and Angel was cancelled the Angel crew would get royally fuked like the Firefly crew did. And the stupid exec cancelled Angel because he had another vampire show starting and didn't want two, even though Angel was far better and the other one immediately failed.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I also found Firefly and Serenity pretty underwhelming. Though I liked the concept and characters, but the stories they were given just ended up quite boring for the most part.

Love Buffy and Angel though. And obviously Avengers. Not seen Dollhouse.

I loved Angel the series, but I just hate endings with no endings. So that kind of irritated me.

I get fighting in the Apocalypse was his destiny and all. But I feel after hyping up the Apocalypse and Angel's role in it the entire series, they really should have given us some of it instead of just ending the series as it starts.

Also did Gunn die then? Did the amp Angel got from drinking the blood of the Wolf, Ram and Hart last or was it a one off? Too open ended IMO.

And the whole point of Angel is that his fight NEVER ENDS. It started with the end goal of Angel attaining redemption, but that's never going to happen so there's no end goal anymore. It's all about continuing to fight even if there's no victory in sight. That's why the ending is poetic. And yes the comics continue the story and are technically canon, good reads won't spoil anything.

I really like how I turned this thread into a whedon wankfest though 🤘

Originally posted by Firefly218
I really like how I turned this thread into a whedon wankfest though 🤘

Always good for a thread to do that 😄

Psh, Whedonites. 😛

Depending on how Star Wars ep 8 and 9 hold up, I'm hoping to find to some new/different kind of appreciation for TFA when I go back to watching it afterward. Maybe then it won't seem as meh and things about it will make more sense.

^ I think TFA dos a good job setting up the new heroes. And left us dying to finally see Luke. So that set up will certainly help Ep. 8.

But I actually think more people over time will see that ultimately TFA wasn't all that because the film's entertainment value was based on nostalgia.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ I think TFA dos a good job setting up the new heroes. And left us dying to finally see Luke. So that set up will certainly help Ep. 8.

But I actually think more people over time will see that ultimately TFA wasn't all that because the film's entertainment value was based on nostalgia.

Now things could change if in episode 8 they explain why Rey is so perfect at everything she does, maybe secret training from Luke that's been wiped from her memories?????? Even so, that doesn't change the fact that Force Awakens has no emotional stakes BECUZ I NEVER WORRIED FOR THE CHARACTERS EVEN ONCE. Even Han's death was devoid of emotional impact... And I say all this still having loved the movie, because it was designed that way

^ It could have used a touch of Whedon 😉

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ It could have used a touch of Whedon 😉

Originally posted by Firefly218
Rey never faces any challenges, accomplishes everything and kicks everyone's ass. Poe Dameron is the greatest pilot of all time. Finn takes down starfighters with his blaster. The problem with the movie is that none of the good guys are beaten up and they all feel just like characters, not real ppl. In ANH Luke gets his ass beat constantly, he gets saved by kenobi from the sand ppl, saved by leia from the troopers and saved by Han in the trench battle. And speaking of firefly, Mal CONSTANTLY gets kicked in the balls, the guy never gets a break. Everything always goes shitty and half the show is spent in the infirmary.

Now things could change if in episode 8 they explain why Rey is so perfect at everything she does, maybe secret training from Luke that's been wiped from her memories?????? Even so, that doesn't change the fact that Force Awakens has no emotional stakes BECUZ I NEVER WORRIED FOR THE CHARACTERS EVEN ONCE. Even Han's death was devoid of emotional impact... And I say all this still having loved the movie, because it was designed that way

Originally posted by quanchi112
Finn gets destroyed by the stormtrooper. Kylo ****s him up to the point he's in intensive care as the film ends. Han is killed. Rey gets beaten up too but prevails at the end. Poe Dameron was captured and worked over at the beginning of the film.

Originally posted by Firefly218
Um he gets outdueled by that one stormtrooper who is super amazing for some reason, and then continued to WRECK his former stormtrooper buddies and at one point took out a starfighter... Also the fact that Finn can even hold a lightsaber to a trained sith and last for as long as he did is ridiculous. Then again you can argue Kylo Ren was just toying with him/still injured from blaster shot or whatever, but Finn should've been immediately disposed of. I hoped for Han to get a better death, I wanted to cry but it just didn't jive.