Darth Maul vs Darth Krayt

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I'm seeing double standards on both sides, actually. The idea that Kit Fisto, who is explicitly just above AoTC Obi, and his pair of statue like featless morons are the best jedi evah and no one outside of their era can ever ever compare is incredibly numb.

Except, that's not what I'm implying. Great Jedi heroes like Ulic, Revan, etc... I feel are vastly superior to the three musketeers. However, the trio are some of the greatest "fodder" Jedi we ever see. BTW, I feel the same way about the Jedi Strike Team from TOR as well.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Also, newer characters can be evaluated against a blanket statement made long ago without adequate proof.

I'd strongly disagree. Beyond that, we have other evidence for the skill. Heck, Kit Fisto outdueled Grievous which is no mean feat.

The difference is that the only real 'feats' the Imperial Knights had... Was getting killed by Krayt. Conversely, the Jedi Palpatine steamrolled through have some very impressive, and most importantly, quantifiable feats and reliable accolades under their collective belts.

That is why Palpatine's slaying of said Jedi is far more impressive than Krayt's slaying of said IKs. Imo.

Originally posted by ares834
Not at all. We actually know and see that Kit Fisto is a highly skilled duelist. By contrast, the Knights have done absolutely nothing nor do they have any impressive accolades.

Sidious blitzed three of the greatest swordsmen the Jedi Order produced. Pray tell, how is blitzing three Knights of unknown quality comparable?

Those Knights were the Emperor's personal bodyguards. I would expect nothing less than them to be skilled Jedi Master-caliber duelists. Blitzing them very much does compare to Sidious' feat. You can say it does not compare equally, but to say they aren't even in the same ballpark is hilarious.

Plus I believe Q99 has said that they do have showings against Sith.

Kit Fisto was again, explicitly just above or equal to AotC Obi (The Cestus Deception). The other two have what combat feats to speak of? Also, in the same book Ventress KOs Fisto in seconds. Ventress who is a fly to Dooku.

The same Fisto whom trounced Grievous.

And what feats do the IKs have?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Kit Fisto was again, explicitly just above or equal to AotC Obi (The Cestus Deception).

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The other two have what combat feats to speak of?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Also, in the same book Ventress KOs Fisto in seconds.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Ventress who is a fly to Dooku.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Those Knights were the Emperor's personal bodyguards. I would expect nothing less than them to be skilled Jedi Master-caliber duelists. Blitzing them very much does compare to Sidious' feat. You can say it does not compare equally, but to say they aren't even in the same ballpark is hilarious.

So we are to just assume they are of equal (or comparable) status? Yeah, not buying that. The trio that Sidious trounced includes some of the greatest Jedi Masters. While the IKs may be Master-caliber I see absolutely no reason to put them on a similar level with guys like Kit Fisto who has actually bested Grievous.

I gotta agree with Moose. There's nothing other than a comically ambiguous description of the B-Team, that puts them ahead of the 4-5 Imperial Knights that Krayt defeated, nor does it make Sidious' win more impressive.

Originally posted by ares834
So we are to just assume they are of equal (or comparable) status? Yeah, not buying that. The trio that Sidious trounced includes some of the greatest Jedi Masters. While the IKs may be Master-caliber I see absolutely no reason to put them on a similar level with guys like Kit Fisto who has actually bested Grievous.

Lol, did I say equal? I said 'remotely comparable'. Which they are. Kit's Krew may be a cut above the Knights, but that still makes it a comparable, though lesser, feat.

Originally posted by psmith81992
I gotta agree with Moose. There's nothing other than a comically ambiguous description of the B-Team, that puts them ahead of the 4-5 Imperial Knights that Krayt defeated, nor does it make Sidious' win more impressive.

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New Clone Wars Grievous is a pussy. He's been beaten in a saberlock by Ahoska.

He also fights Kenobi evenly.

Originally posted by Nephthys
New Clone Wars Grievous is a pussy. He's been beaten in a saberlock by Ahoska.

Still a big step up from anything the Knight have ever done.

Originally posted by ares834
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That puts him in the top tier? Lol

Originally posted by Intrepid37
He also fights Kenobi evenly.

He's been beaten by Gungans.

Originally posted by ares834
Still a big step up from anything the Knight have ever done.

Man, I'd hope they could beat Ahsoka in a saberlock. 🙁

Originally posted by Nephthys
He's been beaten by Gungans.

Also, in terms of speed, the slaying of the trio in the chancellor's office was both ridiculously slow and telegraphed and the Jedi were wedged into a narrow hall of sorts. It's not at all impressive in that light. More later, I'm on a touchscreen mobile.

That fight is my least favorite in the movies. The start with the B-team is awful for the reasons you said, Jackson and McDiarmid can't pull off the choreography and are again slow and pathetic and McDiarmid is so ****ing silly with his stupid facial expressions and hammy acting. Its supposed to be one of the most dramatic scenes in Star Wars and its just a complete farce.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Also, in terms of speed, the slaying of the trio in the chancellor's office was both ridiculously slow and telegraphed and the Jedi were wedged into a narrow hall of sorts. It's not at all impressive in that light. More later, I'm on a touchscreen mobile.

Yeah, the choreography in that duel was god awful. That said in the film they weren't in the hall but in the Chancellor's room.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He's been beaten by Gungans.

Man, I'd hope they could beat Ahsoka in a saberlock. 🙁

Krayt was hard-pressed by a holocron... 😐

Isn't lowballing fun?

Yes.