bluewaterrider
Senior Member
Originally posted by -Pr-
Not sure if you're serious.
Very.
Originally posted by -Pr-
You think scans have honestly never been used before to resolve things?
I didn't say "never".
I said "so seldom".
Scans are, of course, used sometimes to resolve matters.
I'm just surprised those times are so few and far between.
Given how effective they are at correcting for people simply misremembering or not understanding what they looked at the first time around, I'm genuinely surprised the posting of scans isn't standard operating procedure.
Originally posted by -Pr-
A compromised Superman still managed to spend most of his fight with Orion on the offensive, but Orion somehow looks stronger? Really?
It's actually quite easy to see the opposite point of view:
"compromised Superman"?
Presumably you refer to Hammond, but there's little if any indication Hammond was doing any controlling of Superman during the fight, unless I did not read carefully enough.
He just got Superman in front of Orion; Orion's violent nature plus the limited information Orion had on Superman took care of the rest.
Hammond even stresses how much trouble he went through to keep quiet and HIDE his presence from detection.
"still managed to spend most of his fight with Orion on the offensive"
I can only assume you're saying Superman was on the offensive, especially with the sequence of Supes laying into Orion for ... what?
10 unanswered blows? 20? One or more of those delivered 2 handed?
None of those seemed to have the effect of the first (surprise?) off-panel-delivered blow that Superman hit Orion with before that page.
Does this really suggest superior strength as opposed to superior speed?
How would my saying Zoom is stronger than Wonder Woman because Zoom hit her 50 times to every blow she landed in return be a different proposition?
Originally posted by -Pr-
if being able to take a punch and keep coming is all it takes to look superior, then Superman would be top of the mountain by a long way.
Pr, you know as well as I do that this is precisely what Superman fans DO try to argue to say that Superman is stronger than other heroes and villains.
It is substitution of recovery ability, "damage soak" and/or "durability" (invulnerability, etcetera) for physical strength.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Orion somehow looks stronger? Really?
Consider the opposite point of view:
Faced with an opponent who is faster, who catches Orion by surprise,
who pummels Orion with a series of blows to the one Orion landed on him to start the fight,
Orion appears unhurt, bloodies Superman with a lone punch in retaliation, and all but effortlessly solo lifts an aircraft carrier to throw at Supes in return.
What is a person who saw the artwork of Superman AND Wonder Woman struggling together with an aircraft carrier in an earlier magazine going to conclude?
