Strength Ranking:DCNU

Haha, Blue is still going with "wonder woman is stronger than superman" tripe? Good luck with that especially after 'Superman/Supergirl and lucifer thread". Even carver wouldn't go that far.

Originally posted by ares834

Uncuffed WW got beat by the First Born.
There is absolutely no reason to put her above the guy who wrecked Apollo.

Problem 1:

First Born wrecked Apollo, too.

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To be fair to you, though, this was only released recently.
It's also very easy to argue that Apollo's effort in the fight to that point left him too exhausted to muster his normal level of physical strength for defense.

First Born most certainly did not "wreck" Apollo. He may have won (we don't even know that yet) but that's a far cry from how easily sundipped Superman utterly dominated Apollo.

Was Apollo even fighting Superman like he was fighting the First Born? Seems like he's trying harder against the First Born than he is in his fight with Superman.

Granted the First Born is supposed to be >>>>>>All gods and that means he's beyond uncuffed Wondy IIRC

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

1. Wonder Woman (uncuffed)

-- beat the goddess Artemis with ease
-- impressed the god Apollo

5. Wonder Woman (cuffed)

-- outmatched by the goddess Artemis

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Originally posted by bluewaterrider
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You do realize that Superman when fighting both Zod and Faora was being blasted by heat vision (Which contributed to his difficulty with them), which he couldn't deflect with a blade like Diana could, right?

Also, scan three shows Superman throwing them both off of him at the same time, so, lol. And Superman's dialogue indicates he also didn't want to hurt them.

Originally posted by NemeBro

Superman's dialogue indicates he ... didn't want to hurt them.

Zod's dialogue likewise indicates he didn't want to hurt Superman.

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Originally posted by NemeBro
You do realize that Superman when fighting both Zod and Faora was being blasted by heat vision (Which contributed to his difficulty with them), which he couldn't deflect with a blade like Diana could, right?

You do realize that has little if anything to do with how Superman fared in the 2nd half of the fight, after Wonder Woman had intervened to help Superman, right?

Originally posted by NemeBro

Also, scan three shows Superman throwing them both off of him at the same time, so, lol.

1. Throws are indicated via "Thwam" sounds and clenched fists?
That used to be the convention for punches. Guess times change.

2. Too bad Superman didn't "throw" Zod off when he was fighting him singly.
Might have saved Superman from a world of hurt and getting choked into helplessness.

Originally posted by NemeBro
You do realize that Superman when fighting both Zod and Faora was being blasted by heat vision (Which contributed to his difficulty with them), which he couldn't deflect with a blade like Diana could, right?

Also, scan three shows Superman throwing them both off of him at the same time, so, lol. And Superman's dialogue indicates he also didn't want to hurt them.

Doesn't have a thing to with that. Wonder Woman PHYSICALLY stomped both Zod and Faora and Zod even admitted during the end that Wonder Woman could kill them (thats when she made the threat of taking both of them out if he harmed Superman).

Superman probably did throw both of them off of him but then you have a scan where Zod broke Superman arm like a pretzel and was about to kill him until Wonder Woman saved him again.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Zod's dialogue likewise indicates he didn't want to hurt Superman.

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True and it also has little baring on what I was saying. Zod wasn't fighting two people at once. 👆

You do realize that has little if anything to do with how Superman fared in the 2nd half of the fight, after Wonder Woman had intervened to help Superman, right?

Actually it has a lot to do with it and your inability to realize that much only demonstrates your pro-Diana bias. 👆

Superman, as seen when Zod gets the better of him, is already injured by the time the second set of scans occurs. Diana is fresh.

Keep up my child.

1. Throws are indicated via "Thwam" sounds and clenched fists?
That used to be the convention for punches. Guess times change.

What a cowardly attempt to divert attention away from the fact that Superman beat both off of them with a single exertion of effort.

No wonder most people don't even bother responding to you.

2. Too bad Superman didn't "throw" Zod off when he was fighting him singly.
Might have saved Superman from a world of hurt and getting choked into helplessness.

"Durrrrrrr da first feat don't count cuz Superman didn't do it again".

Try harder you coward. 👆

I know a lot less about comics than you do, but it doesn't even take a full working knowledge of them to know that you're full of shit. 👆

Originally posted by carver9
Doesn't have a thing to with that. Wonder Woman PHYSICALLY stomped both Zod and Faora and Zod even admitted during the end that Wonder Woman could kill them (thats when she made the threat of taking both of them out if he harmed Superman).

Superman probably did throw both of them off of him but then you have a scan where Zod broke Superman arm like a pretzel and was about to kill him until Wonder Woman saved him again.

I only take issue with blue's juvenile attempts at playing up Diana's abilities while making Superman look as weak as possible. 👆

You know, I really do have to wonder why really knowledgeable Superman fans like Pr don't really participate in these debates. Are there none with the valor to oppose blue's cowardice?

Originally posted by Cogito
Using all "base" versions.

Helspont - Backhanded Superman
Apollo - Backhanded Superman, but not as hard as Helspont
Superman
Orion - Fought Superman briefly, superior to WW against First Born
Captain Marvel - Briefly fought Superman, appeared relatively equal
Wonder Woman - Clearly inferior to Orion vs. First Born
Supergirl - Stopped reading her ongoing, but had nothing superior to Clark
Aquaman - Strong, but quite a bit below everyone else

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Not listed category
Brutaal - Hasn't been doing strength feats, has had no physical threat/test
Black Adam - Historically should be equal to Captain Marvel, but I'm not going to list him because of Ultraman beatdown
Dr. Fate - Has a whopping 0 strength feats
Geo Force - Not familiar with DCnU version
Majestic - Ditto
Martian Manhunter - Could speculate, but didn't have definitive strength feats
Superboy - Uses TK, not strength

Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't have a beef with you here carver. Your stance is IIRC that Diana is not physically far below Superman. That is a statement I can accept based on blue's evidence.

I only take issue with blue's juvenile attempts at playing up Diana's abilities while making Superman look as weak as possible. 👆

You know, I really do have to wonder why really knowledgeable Superman fans like Pr don't really participate in these debates. Are there none with the valor to oppose blue's cowardice?

Gotcha. I'm out of it.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't have a beef with you here carver. Your stance is IIRC that Diana is not physically far below Superman. That is a statement I can accept based on blue's evidence.

I only take issue with blue's juvenile attempts at playing up Diana's abilities while making Superman look as weak as possible. 👆

You know, I really do have to wonder why really knowledgeable Superman fans like Pr don't really participate in these debates. Are there none with the valor to oppose blue's cowardice?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=525118&pagenumber=2

Seriously this was the same guy who had a 100 page argument with other posters on DC boards about the topic that "Wonder Woman is twice as strong as superman." Too bad the forum closed down. It was always good for a laugh. This is close enough though.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t589178.html

All right, guys? The hostility has got to stop. This is way out of hand, and whether you agree with Blue or not, there's no excuse for ganging up on them like that.

As far as why I don't get involved with Clark v Diana debates anymore, the truth is that I'm not insane. I've been in debates with pretty much every Wonder Woman fan on this board (not saying there've been many, but still), and I honestly don't expect to change the minds of any of those fans any time soon.

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As far as Superman and Diana being compared go? I've been reading a lot of the New 52 lately, and I've seen nothing from her (or any hero for that matter) that would put them above Superman in strength. He's still the top dog when it comes to strength, imo.

If I had seen something, I'd just avoid even talking about it, so I wouldn't have to say it out loud. Just because I can admit something I don't like, doesn't mean I would want to.

I'm not about to pretend I'm the most courteous or charming person in debates. I'm not. I get passionate, maybe even aggressive, but that's just how much I love comics. So if anyone's ever been offended by anything I've said, then I apologise.

If I think you're being a ****/hater though, I am going to say it. It's my right to disagree.

Originally posted by -Pr-
All right, guys? The hostility has got to stop. This is way out of hand, and whether you agree with Blue or not, there's no excuse for ganging up on them like that.

As far as why I don't get involved with Clark v Diana debates anymore, the truth is that I'm not insane. I've been in debates with pretty much every Wonder Woman fan on this board (not saying there've been many, but still), and I honestly don't expect to change the minds of any of those fans any time soon.

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As far as Superman and Diana being compared go? I've been reading a lot of the New 52 lately, and I've seen nothing from her (or any hero for that matter) that would put them above Superman in strength. He's still the top dog when it comes to strength, imo.

If I had seen something, I'd just avoid even talking about it, so I wouldn't have to say it out loud. Just because I can admit something I don't like, doesn't mean I would want to.

I'm not about to pretend I'm the most courteous or charming person in debates. I'm not. I get passionate, maybe even aggressive, but that's just how much I love comics. So if anyone's ever been offended by anything I've said, then I apologise.

If I think you're being a ****/hater though, I am going to say it. It's my right to disagree.

😂

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

1. Wonder Woman (uncuffed)

-- beat the goddess Artemis with ease
-- impressed the god Apollo

5. Wonder Woman (cuffed)

-- outmatched by the goddess Artemis

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An interesting supplement to the latter was seen recently in Wonder Woman #27:

Diana versus Artemis. Cuffed reSiberia.

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(Note: The last scan is missing a panel, just before the last panel, where Diana says "I swear",
and where Artemis is in her shining "Deer Woman" form, still holding Diana in the same position as she was in bear form.)

Originally posted by NemeBro

You know, I really do have to wonder why really knowledgeable Superman fans

That is why Carver was here 😄

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

4. Martian Manhunter

-- judging from JL8, held his own against the Justice League single-handedly

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Originally posted by bluewaterrider

5. Wonder Woman (cuffed)

-- overpowers Supergirl

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Originally posted by SasuOna

Well, if we go by pure strength feats, then Kryptonians have everyone outclassed due to the Superman "bench-pressing the earth's weight" stuff ...

The achievement you mentioned above deserves a feature in this thread.

I'm more than a little surprised no one has posted it yet.

Then again, no one before me posted it in Superman's own Respect Thread either:

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(originally posted on page 107 of the KMC Revamped Superman Respect thread)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=14056929

I should get back into the habit of providing reference information for what I post.
Not until recently have I fallen away from doing so.

I'll gradually resume the practice.

I'll start with the above entry:

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Source: Superman #13, Volume 3
Writer: Scott Lobdell
Penciller: Kenneth Rockafort
Date: October 2012
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