Originally posted by abhilegend
What is that supposed to prove in terms of strength carver? Or do you think Wonder Woman could've ripped Zod apart after he broke Superman's hand with skill?
In terms of Strength
1) Superman and his alternates and clones (ie Ultraman, Brutaal, etc..)
2) Named Kryptonians
3) The rest
Originally posted by zopzop
It proves what I've been saying all along. Since the reboot, the powers over at DC wanted to give the other characters some months to shine before asserting Superman as their elite herald level character.In terms of Strength
1) Superman and his alternates and clones (ie Ultraman, Brutaal, etc..)
2) Named Kryptonians
3) The rest
Originally posted by zopzop
It proves what I've been saying all along. Since the reboot, the powers over at DC wanted to give the other characters some months to shine before asserting Superman as their elite herald level character.In terms of Strength
1) Superman and his alternates and clones (ie Ultraman, Brutaal, etc..)
2) Named Kryptonians
3) The rest
People have, and will, continue to shine.
The fallacy was people believing that DC would choose someone else to be their top herald.
It'd be like Marvel making someone stronger than the Hulk. It's not something that's ever going to change, nor should it.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It'd be like Marvel making someone stronger than the Hulk. It's not something that's ever going to change, nor should it.
Originally posted by Epicurus
I could pen down a pretty lengthy list of characters who fit that description. I wonder how that affects your position vis-a-vis using the Hulk as Superman's Marvel analogy?
I'm talking primarily about their relative roles within their teams, ie Flash is the fast one, Batman is the clever one, Superman is the strong one.
That said, when it comes down to it, Superman and Hulk are almost always considered to be the big dogs when it comes to physical strength among their peers. That's how I've always seen it, and that's how I believe the companies generally portray it.
Anyways, a lot of people used Thor's Worfing days as an excuse to bring him down a tier or 2. I guess Superman-fans know how it feels, being sidelined to make your peers shine across different books, and waiting for a long time to get half-decent feats which aren't achieved at the expense of the character(which is the direction Superman is inevitably headed towards in the hands of featwhoring writers like Pak and Lobdell).
And a big fat lol at people salivating Pak's featwankery, when they criticized him for doing the same thing with the Hulk.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm talking primarily about their relative roles within their teams, ie Flash is the fast one, Batman is the clever one, Superman is the strong one.That said, when it comes down to it, Superman and Hulk are almost always considered to be the big dogs when it comes to physical strength among their peers. That's how I've always seen it, and that's how I believe the companies generally portray it.
Originally posted by -Pr-
People have, and will, continue to shine.The fallacy was people believing that DC would choose someone else to be their top herald.
No one and nothing is replacing Superman's elite status in DC. Although I'd love to see Brutaal pwn either him or Ultraman 😄 Which would technically still be Superman doing the pwning but you get my point.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Again, there's a list of characters that easily disproves this notion for the Hulk in Marvel alone. I think you don't realize the implications of making such a broad generalization, equating these 2 characters to each other like that.
Among his peers?
Originally posted by zopzop
That's what I was trying to say. DC didn't want to suck all the oxygen out of the room by making Superman steal the limelight from the rest of the rebooted characters from the get go. So they made them look good at his expense for a little bit knowing that Superman and his status as elite hero wouldn't be too tarnished.No one and nothing is replacing Superman's elite status in DC. Although I'd love to see Brutaal pwn either him or Ultraman 😄 Which would technically still be Superman doing the pwning but you get my point.
I don't agree that it was done at Superman's expense as much as it was just done at the same time as he experienced a down-turn. I mean, Superman started the DCNU very strongly. It's only in the last few months that he's started to sink, imo.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Anyways, a lot of people used Thor's Worfing days as an excuse to bring him down a tier or 2. I guess Superman-fans know how it feels, being sidelined to make your peers shine across different books, and waiting for a long time to get half-decent feats which aren't achieved at the expense of the character(which is the direction Superman is inevitably headed towards in the hands of featwhoring writers like Pak and Lobdell).And a big fat lol at people salivating Pak's featwankery, when they criticized him for doing the same thing with the Hulk.
It is pretty ironic. And sad.
It is amusing how one note-worthy showing has people losing their shit though. I get enjoying and acknowledging a feat, but multiple threads, bumping old arguments? 😂 Pretty desperate.
Originally posted by carver9
Not just about that. You have to look at fights as well and looking at how easily Wonder Woman handled two Kryptonians, where one was actually choking Superman at the end of the battle, an argument can be made (she was literally tossing both Zod and Faora around like rag dolls).
Could she have accomplished this with more skill than strength?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It is pretty ironic. And sad.It is amusing how one note-worthy showing has people losing their shit though. I get enjoying and acknowledging a feat, but multiple threads, bumping old arguments? 😂 Pretty desperate.
Rage, stop baiting Abhi. Seriously; you should be above this kind of stuff. The sig was bad enough, but come on.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Nope, but the way you worded your post implied that he was strongest of all throughout the universe or something like that.
I specifically mentioned heralds in my post, though. Or do you really think I was saying that Hulk is stronger than Odin or Zeus?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Rage, stop baiting Abhi. Seriously; you should be above this kind of stuff. The sig was bad enough, but come on.I specifically mentioned heralds in my post, though. Or do you really think I was saying that Hulk is stronger than Odin or Zeus?
I know, I know, it's just tempting. Sorry.
My sig? What about it? It's just a way to show my appreciation of Superman and his amazing fanbase. 👆
