Strength Ranking:DCNU

Seriously guys? Are you for real internet tough guying it up on here? Talking about who between the two of you would win in an actual fight, sight unseen? It doesn't take a genius to know what is going to happen as soon as a mod sees this you guys.

Think most of my original list has now been covered and scan supported.

Orion has been included, bumping Superman at his normal levels down to #8 on my list for his strength feat
of hefting an aircraft carrier solo without visible strain,
whereas Superman even with Wonder Woman's help struggled,
and likewise for looking stronger in the rest of the fight in which that took place.

Orion's inclusion bumps Supergirl under Eddie Berganza, which presumably happens after Matt Idelsen's work on and announcement of the title until
Supergirl #12 in August 2012, down to the #10 spot.

Supergirl under Matt Idlesen retains her #6 position ahead of Orion, Superman, Black Adam, and herself after Idlesen.

Aquaman, for now, is dropped from the list entirely.

1. Wonder Woman (uncuffed)

-- beat the goddess Artemis with ease
http://oi61.tinypic.com/2i05643.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/sl38m8.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/514hlt.jpg

-- impressed the god Apollo
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2lnxty.jpg

2. Superman (suncharged/sundipped)

-- beat the god Apollo

http://oi58.tinypic.com/20723aq.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2eztmon.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/28bs1hl.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2wn8rrt.jpg

Parallel reminder of the effects of even low-level sunlight on DCnU Kryptonians
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http://oi61.tinypic.com/r1zer4.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2evapw0.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/vmyc8w.jpg

http://oi58.tinypic.com/4qfle8.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/166k5x.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/312cpbo.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/5ow3n5.jpg

Supergirl #4
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" ... [T]hat sun. Whoa. Feels like I just drank a bucket of adrenaline.
I could bring this whole mountain down on this guy's head.
I could do it with one finger.

Easy. He might deserve it, but he's still her brother ... "
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http://oi61.tinypic.com/2hn3rc0.jpg

3. Apollo

-- swatted Superman away like a pest
(until accidentally supercharging Clark with concentrated sunlight)
http://oi58.tinypic.com/20723aq.jpg

-- beat cuffed Wonder Woman
http://oi61.tinypic.com/2z4zkld.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/akkcr7.jpg

4. Martian Manhunter

-- judging from JL8, held his own against the Justice League single-handedly
http://oi58.tinypic.com/1fwb2w.jpg

5. Wonder Woman (cuffed)

-- historically lacks Kryptonian-level durability, which is often wrongly held against her as lacking pure physical strength

Diana versus Cheetah, Wonder Woman v2 #9
http://oi57.tinypic.com/k2b5et.jpg

Diana versus Doomsday
(Impactbreak. Non-invulnerable bones shatter.)
http://oi60.tinypic.com/110he9s.jpg

-- holds back even at standard levels against many opponents

Surprised teammates ponder DCnU Wondy's skirmish with Cheetah
http://oi58.tinypic.com/1zq7wc5.jpg

-- outmatched by the god Apollo
http://oi61.tinypic.com/2z4zkld.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/akkcr7.jpg

-- outmatched by the goddess Artemis

http://oi61.tinypic.com/1zekxt3.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2w6hvm9.jpg

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2q1xi75.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/x3y8bb.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/4vgth1.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/296c6r5.jpg

Diana versus Artemis. Cuffed reSiberia.

http://oi58.tinypic.com/28tgz9y.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/deoeah.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/5e8f94.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/2h565c9.jpg

(Note: The last scan is missing a panel, just before the last panel, where Diana says "I swear",
and where Artemis is in her shining "Deer Woman" form, still holding Diana in the same position as she was in bear form.)

-- overpowers Faora
Certain fights suggest physical strength is the reason for a victor's victory quite powerfully.
Example:
Diana versus Hercules
http://oi61.tinypic.com/wqzc5g.jpg
The kind of combat above measures strength pretty directly, and is more or less
a hand grip/body strength test.

Notice the parallel in the fight against Faora.
This looks nearly EXACTLY like that kind of grip strength test,
with Faora struggling to control Wonder Woman's sword.

Interestingly, Faora is using 2 hands for this (you can tell because both hands shown grasping the hilt of the sword have gloves on)
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2cgfwqx.jpg
while we've only on this page seen Wonder Woman use one.

Diana holds her own with Zod close-fighting, though Clark will get summarily wrecked trying the same thing, and when Diana goes back to Faora ...
http://oi62.tinypic.com/73nkb5.jpg
... we see Diana seem to get the better of Faora in another grappling contest,
apparently successfully getting a choke on Faora started at the end of it,
hold Faora at bay while negotiating with Zod for Clark,
and lightly toss Faora away.

-- holds own with Zod
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2n0qvl.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/x573ps.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/27xpfcz.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/8voj8l.jpg

-- overpowers Supergirl
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2ur0zcz.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2lsdshf.jpg

6. Supergirl (Matt Idelsen)

-- displays power greater than Superman had at the age she is from the moment she arrives on Earth
http://oi62.tinypic.com/2djleg.jpg
-- held as most powerful by WorldKillers DESPITE their knowing Superman is also on Earth
http://oi62.tinypic.com/bhyg43.jpg
-- apparently possesses the innate ability to create self-empowering/repowering light energy
http://oi61.tinypic.com/jugub5.jpg

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Issue #2 pages were shown, and it includes the first time Supergirl meets her cousin, Superman.
"There's a certain distrust," Asrar said with a laugh as a slide was shown where Supergirl punches Superman.

"She's actually stronger than Kal-El," Idelson said.
Johnson said, "She came out of that pod ready to go, as people noticed," he said.

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http://www.newsarama.com/8536-nycc-2011-dc-all-access-superman-panel.html

7. Orion

-- hefted an aircraft carrier solo without apparent strain;
earlier Superman and Wonder Woman together struggled with one to save a city.

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2ajyr82.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/14v69p0.jpg

-- looked stronger than Superman in their fight

http://oi59.tinypic.com/jqlypv.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/24liff9.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/6jhlj4.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/29fz6ro.jpg

http://oi61.tinypic.com/6o0jtt.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/213ge9g.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/rvao9d.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/50l5y1.jpg

8. Superman

-- has his arm broken casually by Zod, though Zod does not do the same against Wonder Woman

http://oi62.tinypic.com/29usvn7.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/6y16b8.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/2e1d8ow.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/209r4ed.jpg

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2n0qvl.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/x573ps.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/27xpfcz.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/8voj8l.jpg

9. Black Adam
-- beaten by Ultraman who is, presumably, the rough equal of Superman

10. Supergirl (Eddie Berganza)

Originally posted by emporerpants
Seriously guys? Are you for real internet tough guying it up on here? Talking about who between the two of you would win in an actual fight, sight unseen? It doesn't take a genius to know what is going to happen as soon as a mod sees this you guys.

I'm not saying that as a threat, I am trying to prove a point. Zod didnt deny that WW could beat/kill him. I said the same thing to ABHI that WW said to Zod and ABHI answered the question in an obvious approach. He said that he could beat me. Had confidence in his strength.

Nothing against ABHI, I actually like the guy. I can't believe he wasn't getting the metaphore I was throwing at him. He should know I wouldn't outright threaten him with fight questions unless I have a motive and he helped me with my motive.

Including a semi-duplicate in URL format.

Because I'm not sure what happens to non-KMC hyperlinks when threads get archived. I know official KMC hyperlinks disappear, but ...

Think most of my original list has now been covered and scan supported.

Orion has been included, bumping Superman at his normal levels down to #8 on my list for his strength feat
of hefting an aircraft carrier solo without visible strain,
whereas Superman even with Wonder Woman's help struggled,
and likewise for looking stronger in the rest of the fight in which that took place.

Orion's inclusion bumps Supergirl under Eddie Berganza, which presumably happens after Matt Idelsen's work on and announcement of the title until
Supergirl #12 in August 2012, down to the #10 spot.

Supergirl under Matt Idlesen retains her #6 position ahead of Orion, Superman, Black Adam, and herself after Idlesen.

Aquaman, for now, is dropped from the list entirely.

1. Wonder Woman (uncuffed)

-- beat the goddess Artemis with ease
http://oi61.tinypic.com/2i05643.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/sl38m8.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/514hlt.jpg

-- impressed the god Apollo
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2lnxty.jpg

2. Superman (suncharged/sundipped)

-- beat the god Apollo

http://oi58.tinypic.com/20723aq.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2eztmon.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/28bs1hl.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2wn8rrt.jpg

Parallel reminder of the effects of even low-level sunlight on DCnU Kryptonians
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://oi61.tinypic.com/r1zer4.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2evapw0.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/vmyc8w.jpg

http://oi58.tinypic.com/4qfle8.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/166k5x.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/312cpbo.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/5ow3n5.jpg

Supergirl #4
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" ... [T]hat sun. Whoa. Feels like I just drank a bucket of adrenaline.
I could bring this whole mountain down on this guy's head.
I could do it with one finger.

Easy. He might deserve it, but he's still her brother ... "
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2hn3rc0.jpg

3. Apollo

-- swatted Superman away like a pest
(until accidentally supercharging Clark with concentrated sunlight)
http://oi58.tinypic.com/20723aq.jpg

-- beat cuffed Wonder Woman
http://oi61.tinypic.com/2z4zkld.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/akkcr7.jpg

4. Martian Manhunter

-- judging from JL8, held his own against the Justice League single-handedly
http://oi58.tinypic.com/1fwb2w.jpg

5. Wonder Woman (cuffed)

-- historically lacks Kryptonian-level durability, which is often wrongly held against her as lacking pure physical strength

Diana versus Cheetah, Wonder Woman v2 #9
http://oi57.tinypic.com/k2b5et.jpg

Diana versus Doomsday
(Impactbreak. Non-invulnerable bones shatter.)
http://oi60.tinypic.com/110he9s.jpg

-- holds back even at standard levels against many opponents

Surprised teammates ponder DCnU Wondy's skirmish with Cheetah
http://oi58.tinypic.com/1zq7wc5.jpg

-- outmatched by the god Apollo
http://oi61.tinypic.com/2z4zkld.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/akkcr7.jpg

-- outmatched by the goddess Artemis

http://oi61.tinypic.com/1zekxt3.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2w6hvm9.jpg

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2q1xi75.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/x3y8bb.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/4vgth1.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/296c6r5.jpg

Diana versus Artemis. Cuffed reSiberia.

http://oi58.tinypic.com/28tgz9y.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/deoeah.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/5e8f94.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/2h565c9.jpg

(Note: The last scan is missing a panel, just before the last panel, where Diana says "I swear",
and where Artemis is in her shining "Deer Woman" form, still holding Diana in the same position as she was in bear form.)

-- overpowers Faora
Certain fights suggest physical strength is the reason for a victor's victory quite powerfully.
Example:
Diana versus Hercules
http://oi61.tinypic.com/wqzc5g.jpg
The kind of combat above measures strength pretty directly, and is more or less
a hand grip/body strength test.

Notice the parallel in the fight against Faora.
This looks nearly EXACTLY like that kind of grip strength test,
with Faora struggling to control Wonder Woman's sword.

Interestingly, Faora is using 2 hands for this (you can tell because both hands shown grasping the hilt of the sword have gloves on)
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2cgfwqx.jpg
while we've only on this page seen Wonder Woman use one.

Diana holds her own with Zod close-fighting, though Clark will get summarily wrecked trying the same thing, and when Diana goes back to Faora ...
http://oi62.tinypic.com/73nkb5.jpg
... we see Diana seem to get the better of Faora in another grappling contest,
apparently successfully getting a choke on Faora started at the end of it,
hold Faora at bay while negotiating with Zod for Clark,
and lightly toss Faora away.

-- holds own with Zod
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2n0qvl.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/x573ps.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/27xpfcz.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/8voj8l.jpg

-- overpowers Supergirl
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2ur0zcz.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2lsdshf.jpg

6. Supergirl (Matt Idelsen)

-- displays power greater than Superman had at the age she is from the moment she arrives on Earth
http://oi62.tinypic.com/2djleg.jpg
-- held as most powerful by WorldKillers DESPITE their knowing Superman is also on Earth
http://oi62.tinypic.com/bhyg43.jpg
-- apparently possesses the innate ability to create self-empowering/repowering light energy
http://oi61.tinypic.com/jugub5.jpg

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Issue #2 pages were shown, and it includes the first time Supergirl meets her cousin, Superman.
"There's a certain distrust," Asrar said with a laugh as a slide was shown where Supergirl punches Superman.

"She's actually stronger than Kal-El," Idelson said.
Johnson said, "She came out of that pod ready to go, as people noticed," he said.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.newsarama.com/8536-nycc-2011-dc-all-access-superman-panel.html

7. Orion

-- hefted an aircraft carrier solo without apparent strain;
earlier Superman and Wonder Woman together struggled with one to save a city.

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2ajyr82.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/14v69p0.jpg

-- looked stronger than Superman in their fight

http://oi59.tinypic.com/jqlypv.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/24liff9.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/6jhlj4.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/29fz6ro.jpg

http://oi61.tinypic.com/6o0jtt.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/213ge9g.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/rvao9d.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/50l5y1.jpg

8. Superman

-- has his arm broken casually by Zod, though Zod does not do the same against Wonder Woman

http://oi62.tinypic.com/29usvn7.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/6y16b8.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/2e1d8ow.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/209r4ed.jpg

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2n0qvl.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/x573ps.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/27xpfcz.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/8voj8l.jpg

9. Black Adam
-- beaten by Ultraman who is, presumably, the rough equal of Superman

10. Supergirl (Eddie Berganza)

Originally posted by carver9
He should know I wouldn't outright threaten him with fight questions unless I have a motive and he helped me with my motive.

Carter Prime, with prep.

I dont understand DC and their logic. They have deemed too many people as the most powerful on the planet and these are people that I only know about, could be more.

They have said...

Apollo (not the god version of Apollo)
Aquaman
Superman
Superboy
Supergirl
Martian Manhunter
Kyle

...as the most powerful being on the planet. DC seems confused. They are currently all over the place.

Originally posted by emporerpants
Seriously guys? Are you for real internet tough guying it up on here? Talking about who between the two of you would win in an actual fight, sight unseen? It doesn't take a genius to know what is going to happen as soon as a mod sees this you guys.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not saying that as a threat, I am trying to prove a point. Zod didnt deny that WW could beat/kill him. I said the same thing to ABHI that WW said to Zod and ABHI answered the question in an obvious approach. He said that he could beat me. Had confidence in his strength.

Originally posted by carver9
Nothing against ABHI, I actually like the guy. I can't believe he wasn't getting the metaphore I was throwing at him. He should know I wouldn't outright threaten him with fight questions unless I have a motive and he helped me with my motive.

BTW, does everyone gets a good laugh at everytime Blue posts, or is it just me? The poor guy works so hard to lowball superman, its kinda funny and sad at the same time.

@Abhi: The "he started" defense stoped working when we were toddlers!

Originally posted by carver9
He should know I wouldn't outright threaten him with fight questions unless I have a motive and he helped me with my motive.

You're one dishonest poster ahah

Originally posted by carver9
I dont understand DC and their logic. They have deemed too many people as the most powerful on the planet and these are people that I only know about, could be more.

They have said...

Apollo (not the god version of Apollo)
Aquaman
Superman
Superboy
Supergirl
Martian Manhunter
Kyle

...as the most powerful being on the planet. DC seems confused. They are currently all over the place.

Don't forget Captain Atom, Firestorm, and Swamp Thing have said similar things.

Originally posted by Bentley
@Abhi: The "he started" defense stoped working when we were toddlers!

You're one dishonest poster ahah

Huh, huh?

Abhi, Carver and Blue should all put each other on ignore at this point. I thought we had this conversation already...

Originally posted by -Pr-
Abhi, Carver and Blue should all put each other on ignore at this point. I thought we had this conversation already...

Pr, please show me where I've said anything attacking anyone at this point.

Superman definitely isn't the most powerful in the DCNU
Hell the way Justice League 3000 is going that nerfed Superman clone might actually end up stronger than him.

Also someone should put Costantine somewhere on that list. His DCNU feats make him pretty high tier currently

Originally posted by Golgo13
Don't forget Captain Atom, Firestorm, and Swamp Thing have said similar things.

Forgot about that. They were deemed as the most powerful on the planet. If I had to give it to anyone, it would probably be Captain Atom. Right now, the guy can do anything.

Originally posted by ares834

Uncuffed WW got beat by the First Born.

Somehow that did not get shown.
Correcting that now:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/211mnvq.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/f432wg.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2ivcis8.jpg

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Pr, please show me where I've said anything attacking anyone at this point.

I don't consider you as bad as either of them, but I don't think it's fair that Abhi should have to ignore you without you doing the same. That way there's even less chance of interaction.

Same goes for Carver.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

9. Black Adam
-- beaten by Ultraman who is, presumably, the rough equal of Superman

This may have to be re-evaluated.

Ultraman, after getting a dose of kryptonite may exceed the power of the average Kryptonian, much in the way that Superman after sundipping does.

It's a little hard to reconcile the relatively good performance of Billy Batson against Clark versus Black Adam here against Ultraman, if such is NOT taken into account:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/20958k3.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/288w1at.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/28t9sia.jpg

Ultimately, I'm giving Superman the nod because that lab simulated "Earth-Bench" feat,
in the absence of other direct comparisons with the Syndicate, theoretically outweighs Ultraman's move of Earth's moon.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't consider you as bad as either of them, but I don't think it's fair that Abhi should have to ignore you without you doing the same.
That way there's even less chance of interaction.

Same goes for Carver.

I imagine Abhi creates quite a bit of content for discussion, but I've actually been using the KMC "Ignore" feature on our user control panel
for Abhi since I told him he wouldn't have to worry about being addressed by me directly back in 2012 without an apology.

I examine a random post every so often, though.
No real reason not to.
Periodically I'll even take him off, though generally put him back on soon afterwards, if only to avoid the temptation of going back on my word in any identifiable way.

Even the relating of that Rainzo conversation doesn't have me addressing Abhi directly by name; thus keeping the letter of my word,
but I DID feel obligated to include that much for him, quite unlike any other time, because I saw Abhi paid me the unexpected kindness of answering my question over in the "Comic Book Questions" thread a little time prior.

It's viewable whether or not you have Abhi on ignore by looking at Golgo's response on the following page:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=346614&pagenumber=544

featuring the following image:

http://i.imgur.com/3BQ78xd.jpg

which can be none other than an answer to my question about the Fawcett Captain Marvel Family, and the completion of the scan I was asking about a page or so earlier.

I genuinely appreciated that, and took it as an olive branch on his part.

(Still wonder where Abhi got that from, Fawcett material seems to be hard to come by these days ...)

At an rate, whether I addressed him by name or not (as it is, I did not),
I figured his kindness of answering one of my questions warranted my addressing one of his;
anyone who doubts that can search for any instance where I've spoken to Abhi in any thread since Summer 2012 outside of that.

On the other hand, without violating anything I said more than a year and a half ago, I have little objection to answering just about any question I deem a reasonable and warranted one if presented civilly.

Bump.

mmm

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why? A weaker Doomsday ROFLstomped wonder woman, breaking her arms with a blocked punch.

And was stated to be able to kill Superman in a larval state.

While it got stronger with every next appearance.

http://i.imgur.com/FOpEwrK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iZhqbFX.jpg

Superman killing Doomsday was a very high end feat for him, not a low showing for Doomsday. I don't see Thor being able to break Diana's arms with a blocked punch. Not even close.

We need Blue's expertise in this situation.

mhmm