Who wins the race: Surfer vs Flash

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Can't be done, unless he was carrying tons of ashes.

Writer intent was obviously for him to be going FTL.

Carver and JBL both agree on this. Writer obviously phucked up when writing 'under light speed'. We must take writer intent - that Flash actually saved people, rather than carrying armfuls of ashes out.

TBH, I actually disagree about writer intent. IMO, he just really ****ed up the math when he wanted Wally to be sub c.

The problem becomes, what then? Narration being narration, we still get told that Wally evacuated x number of people in y amount of time. That's something that's undeniable. I usually like narration and hold it in high regard, but I don't see how it can be held in higher regard than a quantifiable feat on the page itself.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Yeah, and the bottom line is - the answer really is a simple no. I mean, it's not even close.

You remember how, in For Tomorrow, Brian Azzarello said that Superman transverses galaxies at supersonic speed? It's literally like that.

I had forgotten that funny enough.

Certainly not his *best* feat, but I always thought this showing was pretty uber:
http://i.imgur.com/RrcvRhu.jpg

At his standard levels, Krakkl has boundless energy and can run at c indefinitely. In this particular instance, however, c was not enough to escape the threat at hand, so in an effort to keep Krakkl alive, Wally(who was already moving at speeds that Krakkl could "only dream about"😉, proceeded to lend him enough speed to massively surpass c.

More impressive still is that Wally himself was also massively surpassing c the entire time, despite the considerable amount of speed he lent. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007
Certainly not his *best* feat, but I always thought this showing was pretty uber:
http://i.imgur.com/RrcvRhu.jpg

At his standard levels, Krakkl has boundless energy and can run at c indefinitely. In this particular instance, however, c was not enough to escape the threat at hand, so in an effort to keep Krakkl alive, Wally(who was already moving at speeds that Krakkl could "only dream about"😉, proceeded to lend him enough speed to massively surpass c.

More impressive still is that Wally himself was also massively surpassing c the entire time, despite the considerable amount of speed he lent. 👆

👆

Just goes to show that even if you take out the Korea feat, Wally still has plenty of others that more than help his argument.

Who was the writer on the Korea feat anyways?

I know the Krakkl one is from Morrison/Millar run.

I agree. I think the author meant to keep him under light but didn't realize that the feat HAD to be FTL

Originally posted by Juntai
Who was the writer on the Korea feat anyways?

I know the Krakkl one is from Morrison/Millar run.

JLA v3 #89.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Joe Kelly.

JLA v3 #89.

Been too long since I pulled out anything other than the Morrison and Waid stories from that collection.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
The statement about it being less than light speed is irrelevant since the required data is all that matters.

Originally posted by Galan007
Certainly not his *best* feat, but I always thought this showing was pretty uber:
http://i.imgur.com/RrcvRhu.jpg

At his standard levels, Krakkl has boundless energy and can run at c indefinitely. In this particular instance, however, c was not enough to escape the threat at hand, so in an effort to keep Krakkl alive, Wally(who was already moving at speeds that Krakkl could "only dream about"😉, proceeded to lend him enough speed to massively surpass c.

More impressive still is that Wally himself was also massively surpassing c the entire time, despite the considerable amount of speed he lent. 👆

Speaking of feats and JLA, another one involving half a million people:

In less than a picosecond (a.k.a. 0.000000000001s), and in the time it takes Kyle's blast to reach Wonder Woman, he scans 500,000 people.

Surfer wins.

Originally posted by Phil
In less than a picosecond (a.k.a. 0.000000000001s)

...Lol, just insane.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Speaking of feats and JLA, another one involving half a million people:

In less than a picosecond (a.k.a. 0.000000000001s), and in the time it takes Kyle's blast to reach Wonder Woman, he scans 500,000 people.

Also means Kyle's ordinary GL blast is massively FTL too.

It moved a few feet in a picosecond.

^ Not exactly. The rule would be to plug in C with the time it takes to reach Wonder woman then find distance. wonder woman is X feet away from Kyle and the distance between them is where Flash intercepted the blast. Only thing known is the speed or radiation/light

When the Flash starts his search running right in front of Kyle, the blast has only traveled like 3 feet from Kyle's hand.

By the time Flash moves those two bodies to intercept the blast, it has clearly moved several feet.

Not to mention Flash tells us that he only has a picosecond to search everyone before WW gets hit by Kyle's blast.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Also means Kyle's ordinary GL blast is massively FTL too.

It moved a few feet in a picosecond.

Flipping back and forth between the top panel on the second scan and the middle scene of the third scan, I can't see a difference in distance from Kyle. Just swapped perspective from his right side to his left.

Even if there were a difference, narration trumps art every time.

Well, Flash tells us in narration that he only has about a picosecond before kyle's blast takes WW's head off, and she was only like 30 feet away from him.

Nope. Just find how far light goes in a picosecond

Light moves 1 foot per nanosecond.

1 nanosecond is 1,000 picoseconds.

Is Lanterns blasts light speed.