Thor vs. Avengers Hulk Rematch

Originally posted by Firefly218
You think this is a spite thread? Are you ****ing kidding me?

I can understand you arguing Thor wins, but saying Thor stomps is absolute bullshit.

How's your campaign for mayor of bullshit mountain going?

Prelude comic series tie-in for the movie points out that Thor is weakened by his trip to Earth:

This means that Thor holding back and weakened can contend with Hulk who is so pissed off he can't tell friend from foe.

This also means that Thor's fight against Kurse, where he was going all out and was not weakened, shows conclusively that Kurse is way above Hulk and Thor.

It's like this:

Kurse > Thor, going all out > Thor, weakened and restraining himself > Hulk, rage-pissed from Loki's staff.

Thor wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to the fact the jet started shooting Hulk. Thor was losing. Thor was dominated by Kurse. Hulk was portrayed as the heavy hitter and in direct comparison against Thor it is kind of obvious in the film.

Exactly due to outside circumstances. Not because Thor gave up, or was too injured, or couldn't carry on fighting. The tide of the fight turned once, it could easily turn again. Thor had the clear edge for the majority of the fights.

Kurse was completely indestructible. Hulk was not.

Nice BS, but it was pretty clear there were 2 heavy hitters in the Avengers- Thor and Hulk. And while it's obvious Hulk was stronger, it was also quite clear that Thor was the most powerful. Even the actors themselves see that. So it's clearly not obvious in the film that Hulk was the heavy hitter if the actors themselves don't see that LOL.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Prelude comic series tie-in for the movie points out that Thor is weakened by his trip to Earth:

This means that Thor holding back and weakened can contend with Hulk who is so pissed off he can't tell friend from foe.

This also means that Thor's fight against Kurse, where he was going all out and was not weakened, shows conclusively that Kurse is way above Hulk and Thor.

It's like this:

Kurse > Thor, going all out > Thor, weakened and restraining himself > Hulk, rage-pissed from Loki's staff.

Thor wins.

Yeah baby!

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Exactly due to outside circumstances. Not because Thor gave up, or was too injured, or couldn't carry on fighting.

I can agree with that

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Even the actors themselves see that. So it's clearly not obvious in the film that Hulk was the heavy hitter if the actors themselves don't see that LOL.

Actors aren't the most knowledgeable when it comes to their own characters. They just read the lines and look good.

It's the writers who know the characters

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Yeah baby!

I think Loki would agree with me, Hulk wins.

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Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Prelude comic series tie-in for the movie points out that Thor is weakened by his trip to Earth:

This means that Thor holding back and weakened can contend with Hulk who is so pissed off he can't tell friend from foe.

This also means that Thor's fight against Kurse, where he was going all out and was not weakened, shows conclusively that Kurse is way above Hulk and Thor.

It's like this:

Kurse > Thor, going all out > Thor, weakened and restraining himself > Hulk, rage-pissed from Loki's staff.

Thor wins.

Read this, Firefly.

Or don't. It might hurt your bias.

IMO, Kurse isn't a good reference comparison. There's more than enough to believe he was able to beat the piss out of Thor and disregard blows that would crumble mountains because he was specifically powered to counter Asgardians and their tech.

Butthutt Thor still likely beats rapephace Hulk in the end.

The comics have nothing to do with the movie. Even if this specific comic is canon to the MCU, it doesn't prove Thor was weakened.

How do you know Thor was going all out versus Kurse? How do you know Hulk was going all out on Thor? If you re-watch the fight scene, you'll see when Hulk and Thor are going h2h, Hulk is pausing and looking for an opening to punch. That looks intentional to me, not mindless. Also when Thor was talking to Hulk, it seemed as if Hulk actually took a moment to try to consider what Thor was saying. Then Hulk couldn't contain his anger and punched Thor. That pause wasn't mindless, it was intentional. (Unless you think Thor can actually hold down Hulks arm for seconds 😆 )

If Hulk's actions were intentional, and not mindless, he could have been restraining himself. He couldn't tell friend from foe and was too angry to rationally think about it, but he could have been limiting himself.

Any assertions suggesting Hulk or Thor were holding back are ultimately assumptions. Judging only based on the fight, it's clear Hulk dominated.

It's funny watching you squirm for excuses as to why Thor lost

FF218, Hulk going out of control was a plot point (ie Loki's plan) of the film. Insisting that Hulk wasn't trying to murder Thor when moments before he was about to turn Natasha into a puddle of hot goo is nonsense thinking.

Originally posted by Firefly218
The comics have nothing to do with the movie. Even if this specific comic is canon to the MCU, it doesn't prove Thor was weakened.

K.

Thor wins. 👆

Originally posted by Robtard
FF218, Hulk going out of control was a plot point (ie Loki's plan) of the film. Insisting that Hulk wasn't trying to murder Thor when moments before he was about to turn Natasha into a puddle of hot goo is nonsense thinking.

It's still possible Hulk was restraining himself. That aspect of inner ambivalence, where Banner is fighting with Hulk internally. It's possible Hulk was restraining himself subtly. It's also possible that Hulk becomes incredibly angrier and therefore stronger after thinking Betty Ross was murdered by Thor.

But these are all assumptions based on little evidence. Just like people saying Thor was holding back.

Originally posted by NemeBro
So what you're saying is that you're a moron.

K.

Thor wins. 👆

No. I'm saying pretty much exactly what I typed.

Originally posted by Firefly218
It's still possible Hulk was restraining himself. That aspect of inner ambivalence, where Banner is fighting with Hulk internally. It's possible Hulk was restraining himself subtly. It's also possible that Hulk becomes incredibly angrier and therefore stronger after thinking Betty Ross was murdered by Thor.

But these are all assumptions based on little evidence. Just like people saying Thor was holding back.

Hulk was, on-screen, about to murder someone who didn't pose any threat to him. It is asinine to think he wouldn't do the same to Thor, and by the way yes he did hold his arm in place for several seconds.

"Both Thor and HULK roll across the floor. Every person runs the hell out. Thor looks up at this magnificent beast. The HULK stands up and moving like a boxer, wants Thor to make his move. The HULK makes his move. SWING AND A MISS.

Thor swings his massive hand and almost knocks HULK off his feet. HULK keeps swinging and missing, pissing him off. Finally, he brings down his arm, but Thor grabs it and wraps around it.

THOR: We are not your enemies, Banner! Try to think!

HULK lifts his arm up, to Thor's surprise, and he SENDS HIM FLYING AS HE PUNCHES THOR'S FACE WITH HIS FIST."

This is the Avengers script. Point out where Hulk actively hesitates in it.

You can't debate these points.

Thor wins.

Originally posted by Firefly218
It's still possible Hulk was restraining himself. That aspect of inner ambivalence, where Banner is fighting with Hulk internally. It's possible Hulk was restraining himself subtly. It's also possible that Hulk becomes incredibly angrier and therefore stronger after thinking Betty Ross was murdered by Thor.

But these are all assumptions based on little evidence. Just like people saying Thor was holding back.

The guy was trying to kill his friends, at this point you're just making things up.

Originally posted by Firefly218
No. I'm saying pretty much exactly what I typed.

You went green and never went back ey? Is the Hulk a gentle lover?

Originally posted by Firefly218
The comics have nothing to do with the movie. Even if this specific comic is canon to the MCU, it doesn't prove Thor was weakened.

How do you know Thor was going all out versus Kurse? How do you know Hulk was going all out on Thor? If you re-watch the fight scene, you'll see when Hulk and Thor are going h2h, Hulk is pausing and looking for an opening to punch. That looks intentional to me, not mindless. Also when Thor was talking to Hulk, it seemed as if Hulk actually took a moment to try to consider what Thor was saying. Then Hulk couldn't contain his anger and punched Thor. That pause wasn't mindless, it was intentional. (Unless you think Thor can actually hold down Hulks arm for seconds 😆 )

If Hulk's actions were intentional, and not mindless, he could have been restraining himself. He couldn't tell friend from foe and was too angry to rationally think about it, but he could have been limiting himself.

Any assertions suggesting Hulk or Thor were holding back are ultimately assumptions. Judging only based on the fight, it's clear Hulk dominated.

It's funny watching you squirm for excuses as to why Thor lost

We're not making excuses as to why Thor lost... simply because Thor never lost, and neither did Hulk. What I find hilarious is how you try to insist that Thor lost when he didn't. The tide simply turned when the jet interfered. And the tide will turn multiple times in a fight where one opponent doesn't massively outclass the other. If Hulk had dominated right from the start then we can say that Hulk > Thor, but he didn't. So we really don't know who would have won that match if the jet didn't interfere. What we do know is that Thor was holding back whereas Hulk was completely willing to harm and kill his teammates.

Also, yes, Thor IS capable of holding down Hulk's arm for a few seconds. Thor is close to Hulk in strength, so it's not out of his strength range to Hold Hulk's single arm with two of his. Your Hulk bias is clearly showing.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Thor was, on-panel, weakened when he was sent to Earth.

Hulk was, on-screen, about to murder someone who didn't pose any threat to him. It is asinine to think he wouldn't do the same to Thor, and by the way yes he did hold his arm in place for several seconds.

"Both Thor and HULK roll across the floor. Every person runs the hell out. Thor looks up at this magnificent beast. The HULK stands up and moving like a boxer, wants Thor to make his move. The HULK makes his move. SWING AND A MISS.

Thor swings his massive hand and almost knocks HULK off his feet. HULK keeps swinging and missing, pissing him off. Finally, he brings down his arm, but Thor grabs it and wraps around it.

THOR: We are not your enemies, Banner! Try to think!

HULK lifts his arm up, to Thor's surprise, and he SENDS HIM FLYING AS HE PUNCHES THOR'S FACE WITH HIS FIST."

This is the Avengers script. Point out where Hulk actively hesitates in it.

You can't debate these points.

Thor wins.

I'll respond when I get out of class

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Exactly due to outside circumstances. Not because Thor gave up, or was too injured, or couldn't carry on fighting. The tide of the fight turned once, it could easily turn again. Thor had the clear edge for the majority of the fights.

Kurse was completely indestructible. Hulk was not.

Hulk was the one they just hurled like a massive beast at the enemy not Thor. Hell, Hulk even dropped Thor just for laughs during the battle.

😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
It turned because Hulk was stronger and was taking whatever Thor dished out. The same couldn't be said for Thor. Hulk was more impressive on screen than Kurse so leave the hyperbole aside. Someone can be indestructible and still be beaten. Lol.

Hulk was the one they just hurled like a massive beast at the enemy not Thor. Hell, Hulk even dropped Thor just for laughs during the battle.

😂

Originally posted by Stealth Moose

When reading quan's posts, do you get the feeling that he hasn't actually seen the movies in question and that he just picks the winner based on who he likes more?

I imagine there's some kind of eenie meenie miney moe method to his madness.

You have failed to retort my posts meaning you conceded already. Victory feels great. Maybe one day you might beat someone.