Originally posted by h1a8
Basic physics. It takes more than billions of times more force to destroy something from a hundreds of yards away without touching it. Smack the shit out of yourself from a hundred yards away and I guarantee that no one will even feel a billionth of the force you got struck with.500 million?
BILLIONS! Not millions. I was just being nice.The energy required to stop time in a location is irrelevant (tech can achieve it with small amounts of power).
Then show it. Show how destroying a planet with the shock waves is billions of times more powerful than stopping time.
Don't understand why people are arguing over time stop versus Hulk punch when it would be more common for Hulk to throw a melting punch in battle than KT stopping time in battle. Also, it was stated in the comic that Umar couldn't stop the Mindless ones, and she couldn't which was the reason Hulk was there to push them back while she put up a force field. Before this, they were roaming around freely because she couldn't contain them. I don't get what's the point of all of this when KT still wins the battle but like most have said, it will not be easy, at all.
Umar got her shit knocked out by Thor...
And she survived the Mindless Ones getting evaporated pretty effortlessly too. The same Mindless Ones who have been destroyed so many times... sososososo many times. The better feat was the actual notable characters getting killed. But I see nobody really wants to use that because they were never said to overwhelm a SKYFATHER
Destroying canon fodder from a distance, and trying to paint Umar as a legit skyfather isn't the best way to go about it.
Not to mention the funny part about this whole thing is that KT has Odin's powers, and Odin's galaxy destroying fight/multiversal shockwave fight with non direct attacks has been downgraded to being comparable to fluff. But logic you know. It is great. Another note, why do people still argue with h1? If everyone just put him on ignore, this world would be a better place.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Umar got her shit knocked out by Thor...And she survived the Mindless Ones getting evaporated pretty effortlessly too. The same Mindless Ones who have been destroyed so many times... sososososo many times. The better feat was the actual notable characters getting killed. But I see nobody really wants to use that because they were never said to overwhelm a SKYFATHER
Destroying canon fodder from a distance, and trying to paint Umar as a legit skyfather isn't the best way to go about it.
Not to mention the funny part about this whole thing is that KT has Odin's powers, and Odin's galaxy destroying fight/multiversal shockwave fight with non direct attacks has been downgraded to being comparable to fluff. But logic you know. It is great. Another note, why do people still argue with h1? If everyone just put him on ignore, this world would be a better place.
I agree with almost everything you've said. Also, isnt Umar rocking Dormammu power which is the reason he is near powerless right now? There are times when the Mindless ones are quite powerful and during that arc, they were literally uncontrollable/un-containable. No one never disagreed with Umar surviving the attack. No one did not disagree with KT winning (minus H1 of course).
I wouldn't consider everyone there as canon fodder either and of.course they wouldn't have people like Juggernaut and Thor there melting from Hulks sky bomb but we have other showings that we can use to cover those corners.
It doesn't matter because I agree with a GOOD portion of your post and I truly don't understand why people respond to H1 as well. This thread would have died out a while ago if it wasn't for him.
Originally posted by carver9Are you talking about the Eternity fiasco that was like a decade ago?
I agree with almost everything you've said. Also, isnt Umar rocking Dormammu power which is the reason he is near powerless right now? There are times when the Mindless ones are quite powerful and during that arc, they were literally uncontrollable/un-containable. No one never disagreed with Umar surviving the attack. No one did not disagree with KT winning (minus H1 of course).I wouldn't consider everyone there as canon fodder either and of.course they wouldn't have people like Juggernaut and Thor there melting from Hulks sky bomb but we have other showings that we can use to cover those corners.
It doesn't matter because I agree with a GOOD portion of your post and I truly don't understand why people respond to H1 as well. This thread would have died out a while ago if it wasn't for him.
They always are uncontrollable. That doesn't make their durability rise up. And they were contained by Umar's shield anyway until Hulk broke it.
All the Mindless Ones were. And considering the complete and utter shit showings they have, using them to say that SKYFATHER UMAR couldn't beat them doesn't apply to King Thor.
You're just saying that while you basically disagreed with my entire post while only agreeing with ignoring H1. Mind you, that was a good section.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Are you talking about the Eternity fiasco that was like a decade ago?They always are uncontrollable. That doesn't make their durability rise up. And they were contained by Umar's shield anyway until Hulk broke it.
All the Mindless Ones were. And considering the complete and utter shit showings they have, using them to say that SKYFATHER UMAR couldn't beat them doesn't apply to King Thor.
You're just saying that while you basically disagreed with my entire post while only agreeing with ignoring H1. Mind you, that was a good section.
No, not the eternity fiasco. I'm talking about Dormammu currently being depowered and defeated by a low level Avenger team because he doesn't possess a portion of his true power.
Yes, their durability is wish washy except towards energy attacks which has been proven throughout their history.
I never said it applied to KT since I am one of the peeps that believes he could kill a group of them based off his fts, BUT, that's even debatable if we look at THEIR fts (not including their low ones) against skyfathers, including Dormammu.
Naah, I don't agree with H1 at all, I mainly agreed with your post, and like I've said before, KT wins this.
Originally posted by carver9Scan me then Scan Daddy
No, not the eternity fiasco. I'm talking about Dormammu currently being depowered and defeated by a low level Avenger team because he doesn't possess a portion of his true power.Yes, their durability is wish washy except towards energy attacks which has been proven throughout their history.
I never said it applied to KT since I am one of the peeps that believes he could kill a group of them based off his fts, BUT, that's even debatable if we look at THEIR fts (not including their low ones) against skyfathers, including Dormammu.
Naah, I don't agree with H1 at all, I mainly agreed with your post, and like I've said before, KT wins this.
That's h1 babble now. Spider-Man level punches can lay them low... but not high herald energy attacks!
That's the logic you're employing. And considering Cyclops was recently shown shredding them, and by shredding I mean almost completely evaporating them, you know... stuff.
But you did when you started acting like Umar was top shit. Also, when you say shit like King Thor destroying a group of them is debatable like you just did.
You don't agree with anything I say though, except about h1.
And how does King Thor win this IYO? Because you've made it woefully clear you think WB Hulk is far beyond him in power.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Scan me then Scan DaddyThat's h1 babble now. Spider-Man level punches can lay them low... but not high herald energy attacks!
That's the logic you're employing. And considering Cyclops was recently shown shredding them, and by shredding I mean almost completely evaporating them, you know... stuff.But you did when you started acting like Umar was top shit. Also, when you say shit like King Thor destroying a group of them is debatable like you just did.
You don't agree with anything I say though, except about h1.
And how does King Thor win this IYO? Because you've made it woefully clear you think WB Hulk is far beyond him in power.
I will try to find the comicS tonight. It's more than one and I can't believe Bran doesn't know what showing I am referencing (which is one of the reasons Umar is ruling the Dark Dimension instead of him.
I never said they didn't have low showings, but against energy attacks, something that their bodies are made to withstand, they have some insane fts. Of course you would find instances of them not withstanding the pits of help, hut there are other instances, actually MORE instances of them tanking some high level crap. Umar not being able to stop them, you know, planets throwing Umar, is crazy on their parts, especially since this was.referenced in the same comic Hulk melts them. Also, I don't care enough for this battle to employ anything. I just seen some comments that I needed to correct.
I don't think Umar is the top dog but I do know that she is extremely powerful, especially in her current state.
Also, reread my post, I said I can see where someone would/could dispute certain things involving the Mindless Ones versus KT. I'm not one of those peeps but again, they do have some crazy showings when we ignore their lower ones from writters that doesn't know a thing about them.
KT wins by being more powerful than WBH, just like Odin, Umar, Dormammu, and Zeus would beat WBH. Just by being in a completely different tier but his hits will hurt.
Originally posted by carver9those aren't scans
I will try to find the comicS tonight. It's more than one and I can't believe Bran doesn't know what showing I am referencing (which is one of the reasons Umar is ruling the Dark Dimension instead of him.I never said they didn't have low showings, but against energy attacks, something that their bodies are made to withstand, they have some insane fts. Of course you would find instances of them not withstanding the pits of help, hut there are other instances, actually MORE instances of them tanking some high level crap. Umar not being able to stop them, you know, planets throwing Umar, is crazy on their parts, especially since this was.referenced in the same comic Hulk melts them. Also, I don't care enough for this battle to employ anything. I just seen some comments that I needed to correct.
I don't think Umar is the top dog but I do know that she is extremely powerful, especially in her current state.
Also, reread my post, I said I can see where someone would/could dispute certain things involving the Mindless Ones versus KT. I'm not one of those peeps but again, they do have some crazy showings when we ignore their lower ones from writters that doesn't know a thing about them.
KT wins by being more powerful than WBH, just like Odin, Umar, Dormammu, and Zeus would beat WBH. Just by being in a completely different tier but his hits will hurt.
What insane feats do they have? Lay it on me scan daddy
There you go again using Umar, and planet throwing none the less. Would this be the same planet throwing Umar who when she was throwing planets ended with Thor knocking her out?
You're under handedly saying King Thor can't destroy a group of them by only using Umar. Yes, we should ignore the numerous showings where they got destroyed in favor of the showing where Hulk DESTROYED them. That ****ing works apparently. And then apply other feats, sorry, I mean only like 2 'high' showings to the Hulk ones. Tell me again how a showing from Nova (where they get cracked mind you) means that Hulk >>>> stars though. Also that time Umar was stated not to be able to stop them. INSANE FEATS
With a statement and another statement like that who could see King Thor stopping a group of them?
How is King Thor more powerful though if you could see a dispute between King Thor and a group of Mindless Ones and there being no dispute between Hulk and an army of Mindless Ones? What has King Thor personally done to impress you so? Scans if I may ask
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
those aren't scansWhat insane feats do they have? Lay it on me scan daddy
There you go again using Umar, and planet throwing none the less. Would this be the same planet throwing Umar who when she was throwing planets ended with Thor knocking her out?You're under handedly saying King Thor can't destroy a group of them by only using Umar. Yes, we should ignore the numerous showings where they got destroyed in favor of the showing where Hulk DESTROYED them. That ****ing works apparently. And then apply other feats, sorry, I mean only like 2 'high' showings to the Hulk ones. Tell me again how a showing from Nova (where they get cracked mind you) means that Hulk >>>> stars though. Also that time Umar was stated not to be able to stop them. INSANE FEATS
With a statement and another statement like that who could see King Thor stopping a group of them?How is King Thor more powerful though if you could see a dispute between King Thor and a group of Mindless Ones and there being no dispute between Hulk and an army of Mindless Ones? What has King Thor personally done to impress you so? Scans if I may ask
Lol...I just don't get it. This seems like a pointless debate when I have already told you KT wins. It's an ongoing, endless, circle and I am sure there is no way I will convince you to side with me. Lets agree to disagree.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...I just don't get it. This seems like a pointless debate when I have already told you KT wins. It's an ongoing, endless, circle and I am sure there is no way I will convince you to side with me. Lets agree to disagree.
That's what I thought when you 'agreed' with me but in actuality disagreed with everything I said.