Originally posted by Branlor Swift
All that's holding you back from outright stating Hulk wins is the fear of ridicule.Unleash your Hulk Carver, we all know you want to
KT wins just like Zeus, Odin, Mordu, and Dormammu would win against the Hulk. I have no shame in admitting when Hulk is out of his league.
Originally posted by carver9Because you keep defending Hulk at every corner in this thread, and you can't give a real reason why Thor wins. Time stop won't work, Hulk never showed a limit in HOTM, King Thor can't beat Mindless Ones in some people's minds... NOT MINE THOUGH, etc.
By being more powerful and having more (powerful) abilities to call upon. Why are we discussing this when I think either of them would beat Hulk? Why can't you accept that?
And there's you. Who just agree with things to try and avoid a debate. Even though you continue to respond to me. What if I thought Hulk won and I disagree with you thinking King Thor wins, would you go against that?
What if I told you King Thor was a largely physical being who liked to get up close and personal. How would he personally win in an up close and personal fight with Hulk?
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Because you keep defending Hulk at every corner in this thread, and you can't give a real reason why Thor wins. Time stop won't work, Hulk never showed a limit in HOTM, King Thor can't beat Mindless Ones in some people's minds... NOT MINE THOUGH, etc.And there's you. Who just agree with things to try and avoid a debate. Even though you continue to respond to me. What if I thought Hulk won and I disagree with you thinking King Thor wins, would you go against that?
What if I told you King Thor was a largely physical being who liked to get up close and personal. How would he personally win in an up close and personal fight with Hulk?
He doesnt prefer to get up close and personal though, so it doesn't matter.
I also don't avoid debates. I am currently debating against 5 people. You're not giving me a reason to debate against you because we agree on the winner. We have a truce...you just don't want to accoet it.
Also, yes I would go against you if you thought Hulk won.
Originally posted by carver9lmao you really wimped out there
He doesnt like to get up close and personal though, so it doesn't matter.I also don't avoid debates. I am currently debating against 5 people. You're not giving me a reason to debate against you because we agree on the winner. We have a truce...you just don't want to accoet it.
Also, yes I would go against you if you thought Hulk won.
Originally posted by carver9Sure he does. Iron Man fight, Desak fights, Perrikus fight.
He doesnt prefer to get up close and personal though, so it doesn't matter.I also don't avoid debates. I am currently debating against 5 people. You're not giving me a reason to debate against you because we agree on the winner. We have a truce...you just don't want to accoet it.
Also, yes I would go against you if you thought Hulk won.
You simply start agreeing when you want to stop.
Quote me where I said King Thor wins.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Sure he does. Iron Man fight, Desak fights, Perrikus fight.You simply start agreeing when you want to stop.
Quote me where I said King Thor wins.
So you think this version of Thor would fist fight WBH?
I agreed with you from the get go.
This isn't the first time this thread was made. This isn't the first time we've had this debate. Yes, you think KT wins.
Originally posted by carver9I think this version of Thor wouldn't stray far away from Hulk as indicated in his numerous fights.
So you think this version of Thor would fist fight WBH?I agreed with you from the get go.
This isn't the first time this thread was made. This isn't the first time we've had this debate. Yes, you think KT wins.
No you haven't. That's a blatant lie.
Let me take your word on what I didn't say.
Also, what you're currently stating right now is that only the winner matters, not how they win. Why do debates even matter when only stating the victor is enough? How does King Thor win Carver? Stop avoiding the question
He'd win by enduring the necessary punishment he'd receive from a close range fight, and tear him in half with a Desak dropper. /shrug
Or blow his head off with beams far more powerful than the ones he used while he was still a noob with the Odinforce. Or point at him and blow him lightyears away. There ya go Carv 👆
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Maybe, maybe not. However, her later plan was revealed to be a half truth, not specifically if Jane was right or not.
You might not be, but that's clearly not the intent here. As well if we're harkening back to "silver age", and using statements exclusively, then Umar is equal to Dormammu who is equal to Odin. Which kind of pits her and King Thor on equal terms. Your welcome Carver.Mindless Ones don't vary in canon though (outside the Invincible one, and I think the Nova ones were changed). They are as much static as Thing is. The only thing that changes is their showings. A more apt comparison would be Rhino.
They are always presented as an overwhelming force though no matter what they're up against.
And speaking of throwbacks, they were repeatedly brought up to be from the Faltine Dimension in Peter Porker's Birthday (where they got smashed again, repeatedly by pretty much every hero there). Which is a throwback to when they overwhelmed the king of that dimension and Dormammu/Umar had to seal them away.Well, I don't think showings can be inferior to statements, so there's that, nor should we ignore showings in favor of a statement. Plus, after Foom initially got knocked down, he was ragestomping all over everywhere in the presence of the MOs. Also, Hulk beheaded one earlier too, mind you, it's Hulk with an axe, so that's not bad.
She effortlessly tanked an attack that destroyed all of the Mindless Ones there. 😬
Unless the Mindless Ones can output more power than what was displayed there, it's a pretty big mozza ball.I agree with that reasoning, but again, you and I both know that's not what Carver is thinking when such things are brought up. And the other... being. You aren't defending say, rational fans when you say things like that.
I think people are assuming their durability/power stacked together just because they as an army could take down Umar. You throw enough Iron Mans for example against Odin and they'd eventually win too. It doesn't mean lesser forces can't take down said army if they use a big enough shot.
As well on that note, just because they as a full army could overwhelm Umar, that doesn't mean we get to ignore a large part of their "modern" history in lesser groups. Each individual doesn't suddenly get bumped up in durability or strength just because of a statement. For example, the Annihilation Wave ransacked the universe, but each "individual" was completely unimpressive. Collective effort. Back in the day a single Mindless One was one to wrote your nephew Bok Choy about. But currently they have like what, one good showing for a single Mindless One? All they are is a decent army now.On it's own, it's a bunch of canon fodder to me. However, add that up with the Ched/planet shredding, and it's a sexy fable. I haven't as much issue with Carver really thinking Hulk beats King Thor, as the main reason him thinking so is just because of the MOs.
Mindless Ones do vary in power in canon. All characters do. Otherwise we wouldn't get varied and contradictory showings of power.
Clearly the writer's intention has more weigh than anything since he has FULL artistic license over the characters. Comics are the bible but the writer is the author of the bible.
Anyway, this discussion is moot anyway. KT has no feats of power output BEYOND that of the collision that Hulk survived. Also he has no feats of durability BEYOND the level of power that Hulk showed in that arc.
Hulk basically survived an attack that was BEYOND BILLIONS of times more than a force that could not only shatter a planet but disintegrate countless Savage Hulk peers. What feat of power output KT surpasses that much power output?
Hulk basically supplied half the power of the above feat. What feat of durability does KT have that surpasses that level of power output?
If you or anyone disagree then I welcome you or them to debate it. Support you alls case. Just don't say KT wins without actually knowing the facts at hand. Otherwise, you are bias in your stance.
P.S. Carver you are trying to save face. You may not even know it but you are. Everything you said supports Hulk winning over Thor (from his power output to him resisting Thor's attack and even time stop). You would never see me say someone wins to save face. I'll argue against the entire world if I believe something. I feel people are intimidated by me because my logic is very hard to refute and that in reality they are butthurt knowing the painful truth (they don't like it so they can't accept it).