Originally posted by The_Tempest
Revan wasn't disintegrated.
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SW: TCE notes Sion as being exceedingly difficult to kill:
Sion was exceedingly difficult to kill because his mastery over his own body lent him supernatural vitality.
In addition, Meetra is possibly an EXPERT duelist (evidence in SWTOR: Revan).
Meetra failed to perform against Nyriss but this doesn't indicates that she will fail to perform against virtually any notable figure from another era, her performance in Malachor V is nothing to sneeze at.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Feel free to list them.Where?
Whooping Meetra and Scourge at the same time pretty much. Her victory was seriously impressive and not something I could see Dooku replicating. I would be hesitant to give her a nod over Dooku in general Force mastery, but eh, her superior lightning gives that to her.
In the book. Um, derp?
Nyriss also;
1. Tanked a blast of power (Force Push) from Lord Scourge which would have send a 'lesser' Force-user packing otherwise.
2. Send Lord Scourge crashing in to a nearby wall without even a gesture and not concentrating on him.
3. Multi-tasked with her usage of the Force (simultaneously maintained her Force-enhanced defenses while unleashing Force powers offensively against her opponents).
4. Noted to have command of Sith Sorcery.
Nyriss does comes across as superior to Count Dooku in all aspects barring technical proficiency in lightsaber dueling arts.
Here's my Nyriss respect thread if anyone wants to check it out: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/darth-nyriss-respect-thread/95301/
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
No offense, but that is a load of crap, while Mace and dooku may be master's of their forms, But Meetra is by no means pushover, the only reason Meetra was killed by scourge was because she let her - sisterly - love for Revan get in the way of what needed to be done. so please don't just say Dooku Ragdolls Meetra. oh I kinda forgot to mention that she was trained by Vima Sunrider, not really helpful here, but I just thought I should let you guys know. as for sion yeah i'll admit he's more of a lightsaber combatant who lets his rage fight for him while Dooku/Mace are far mor level-headed. not to mention he's not much of a force user so I do think either Mace or Dooku would beat him with some trouble.
Meetra isn't a pushover. But then again neither are CWs Kenobi and Skywalker, who couldn't take the Count down. Meetra has no better TK feats than Kenobi. Also Nyriss is undoubtedly a blademaster, but Dooku even as a Jedi was the fastest and one of the most skilled saber instructors.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nyriss also;1. Tanked a blast of power (Force Push) from Lord Scourge which would have send a 'lesser' Force-user packing otherwise.
2. Send Lord Scourge crashing in to a nearby wall without even a gesture and not concentrating on him.
3. Multi-tasked with her usage of the Force (simultaneously maintained her Force-enhanced defenses while unleashing Force powers offensively against her opponents).
4. Noted to have command of Sith Sorcery.
Nyriss does comes across as superior to Count Dooku in all aspects barring technical proficiency in lightsaber dueling arts.
1. As if Dooku could not do the same.
2. Not sure if it was without a gesture, but Tyranus' casual one handed push required Kenobi and Skywalker combined to erect a shield and even then couldn't protect the mooks behind them and were still pushed back.
3. As if Dooku isn't the master of this.
4. Meh Tyranus and Sidious did a pretty cool ritual which almost killed Yoda.
2. Not sure if it was without a gesture, but Tyranus' casual one handed push required Kenobi and Skywalker combined to erect a shield and even then couldn't protect the mooks behind them and were still pushed back.
"Scourge rushed forward, hoping to drive Nyriss back into a corner, but she met his charge was an invisible wave of rippling energy. It picked Scourge and tossed him head-over-heals, sending him crashing into the wall."
4. Meh Tyranus and Sidious did a pretty cool ritual which almost killed Yoda.
Dooku really didn't have any knowledge on the ritual, Sidious did it all really, all Dooku did was let his hand get cut.
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Meetra isn't a pushover. But then again neither are CWs Kenobi and Skywalker, who couldn't take the Count down. Meetra has no better TK feats than Kenobi. Also Nyriss is undoubtedly a blademaster, but Dooku even as a Jedi was the fastest and one of the most skilled saber instructors.
I never questioned Dooku's abilities as a Duelist, he is an expert, but Anakin and Obi-Wan were defeated on genenosia? because they were somewhat limited by their code, not to mention Anakin was still a Padawan at the time, during the battle above courasant Dooku's refined Makashi was bested by Anakin's more aggressive and ferocious Djem So(fueled by rage). Now imagine Meetra, who knew Makashi and Soresu(she also knew shii-cho but what padawan doesn't know it?) going up against Dooku who relied heavily on makashi, sure he may have more knowledge of the forms, but what good would that do against a jedi who knew the rare force power, Force enlightenment, power that could augment a jedi physical abilities(like yoda's force valor) in the end Dooku was beaten by Anakin's rage, what's to stop Sion from using his overwhelming rage and hatred to fuel his attacks?
It seriously piss's me off when people have a double standard(im not accusing you of this Lord Stark) on EU characters, they love to bring every little thing a Movie character did but if we do it for EU character's(e.g Revan or Bane) they get all riled up?
I'm sorry if I look like a KOTOR fanboy, but, I just feel like Both Revan and Meetra are always brushed off as if they were both gizka going up against a rancor(though, I do understand when I considering they both have some annoying Fanboys, who either think revan is some sorta force god or that he is way better than sidious in terms of force potential and lightsaber prowess)
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
I never questioned Dooku's abilities as a Duelist, he is an expert, but Anakin and Obi-Wan were defeated on genenosia? because they were somewhat limited by their code, not to mention Anakin was still a Padawan at the time, during the battle above courasant Dooku's refined Makashi was bested by Anakin's more aggressive and ferocious Djem So(fueled by rage). Now imagine Meetra, who knew Makashi and Soresu(she also knew shii-cho but what padawan doesn't know it?) going up against Dooku who relied heavily on makashi, sure he may have more knowledge of the forms, but what good would that do against a jedi who knew the rare force power, Force enlightenment, power that could augment a jedi physical abilities(like yoda's force valor) in the end Dooku was beaten by Anakin's rage, what's to stop Sion from using his overwhelming rage and hatred to fuel his attacks?
I am not talking about that.
YouTube video
This is what I refer to.
If Darth Sion were in a different league than his feats indicate he still wouldn't be in the same league as the Anakin that defeated Tyranus.
Pfft, bullshit. Firstly, Sion is a veteran of both Exar Kun and Revans wars. Secondly, he studied at Malachor, a treasure trove of Sith knowledge and was taught by Traya personally. You seriously think he knew nothing of lightsaber combat?
Kreia was just speaking metaphorically. Sion never learned the lessons she wanted to teach him. Not about lightsabers, about the Force and free will and shit.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Pfft, bullshit. Firstly, Sion is a veteran of both Exar Kun and Revans wars. Secondly, he studied at Malachor, a treasure trove of Sith knowledge and was taught by Traya personally. You seriously think he knew nothing of lightsaber combat?Kreia was just speaking metaphorically. Sion never learned the lessons she wanted to teach him. Not about lightsabers, about the Force and free will and shit.