Goku vs whole HST

Originally posted by Dramatic Gecko
Could we all stop this whole searching for something to stop Goku and the whole Goku is immune to everything thing. Can we please factor in Speed, strength and so on. Because the assumption that characters just stand there and let themselves get attacked needs to stop. That being said. Goku would probably win through having an infinite range of ways to defeat them while they have could probably only win through some special hax strategies that may or may not work. The edge goes to Goku overall. But it isn't a shit stomp like other people are making out. If we played this scenario a few hundred times, GOku wouldn't always win.

Yea theres just too many ways goku could lose to those hax abilities. The man could even die from torune touching him. Characters have abilities like cloning themselves to use for distraction. This is def not a stomp for base goku.

"not a stomp for Goku"

No, even Raditz can just replicate what Sensui did to the HST years ago (before the Nardoverse upgrades) and just nuke the HST from high up

Anything above him is just overkill

Besides, it's not like CIS and PIS are default factors here >.>

Originally posted by StealthRanger
"not a stomp for Goku"

No, even Raditz can just replicate what Sensui did to the HST years ago (before the Nardoverse upgrades) and just nuke the HST from high up

Anything above him is just overkill

Besides, it's not like CIS and PIS are default factors here >.>

Raditz was not a worldly threat only by charging ki. Only ssj3 has been shown to be that powerful. He could blow up the world though with a concentrated ki blast

Raditz was more powerful than Piccolo who could blow up the moon with his attacks. EoS Goku makes him look like a speck of dust

Nappa by raising 2 fingers fired an energy blast that was easily visible from space (I think was calced to teraton range) and bitchslapped Piccolo and Krillin (obvious emphasis being on the former). EoS Goku is way more powerful than him

Meanwhile the OP and Nardo generously reaches gigaton levels with a few that, also generously, reach teraton (a level Nappa can achieve with no effort)

Wanna remind me why a ****er like Raditz can't nuke the HST from high up, again, much like Sensui did to them so long ago?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Raditz was more powerful than Piccolo who could blow up the moon with his attacks. EoS Goku makes him look like a speck of dust

Nappa by raising 2 fingers fired an energy blast that was easily visible from space (I think was calced to teraton range) and bitchslapped Piccolo and Krillin (obvious emphasis being on the former). EoS Goku is way more powerful than him

Meanwhile the OP and Nardo generously reaches gigaton levels with a few that, also generously, reach teraton (a level Nappa can achieve with no effort)

Wanna remind me why a ****er like Raditz can't nuke the HST from high up, again, much like Sensui did to them so long ago?

This fight isnt about raditz its about goku and nobody is denying that lboth could blow up the world in the beginning of a fight

It just something like that is not in goku's character. That fact alone is the sole reason the hst have a chance.

I know that it's about Goku. I mean, if some no name schmuck like Raditz can nuke the HST, then Goku can

It's not like the rules say the combatants are in character or the OP said this

See! The argument always loops back to mindset.

Oh and to answer a previous question about avoiding being nuked: they have access to forms of teleportation in the form of Kuma and Minato on top of a legit light-speed character. and as mention before if koto amatsukami can successfully be cast, it probably wouldn't, the fight's over then and there.

Teleportation doesn't mean much against attacks that happen before you can percieve shit unless you have automatic defenses or something

If you mean Kizaru, he can't attack in that mode

Something akin to Babidi's "mind****", which failed against Vegeta

Originally posted by StealthRanger
I know that it's about Goku. I mean, if some no name schmuck like Raditz can nuke the HST, then Goku can

It's not like the rules say the combatants are in character or the OP said this

The creator of the thread didnt state that he was bloodlusted. you cant have the chracters acting out of character unless the creator of this thread says so.

Cite the rule where it says CIS applies to everyone by default

Though if I wanted to, I could ask you ****ers to prove it'd be in the CIS of HST chars to use their hax right away and not go in with their potential game ending hax first

Funny thing that, people who ask to prove CIS for the opponent, yet ignore it for their own combatant

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Teleportation doesn't mean much against attacks that happen before you can percieve shit unless you have automatic defenses or something

If you mean Kizaru, he can't attack in that mode

Something akin to Babidi's "mind****", which failed against Vegeta

Vegeta was still stopped in his tracks for a minute or two by babidi's mental attack and koto amatsukami is absolute. And stronger than anything babadi ever did mental attack wise.

other mental attacks from the hst can do the same. That pause gives the hst chances for multiple opportunities to take advantage of.

"Absolute", what's that s'pose to mean? Why would it do shit against Goku than Babidi's mind**** did to Vegeta?

This mind**** will occur from characters with vastly inferior reactions to Goku..... before or after he nukes the damn place?

Originally posted by StealthRanger
"Absolute", what's that s'pose to mean? Why would it do shit against Goku than Babidi's mind**** did to Vegeta?

This mind**** will occur from characters with vastly inferior reactions to Goku..... before or after he nukes the damn place?

http://youtu.be/XSkn3s9MWcI

http://youtu.be/Ulihqwxtb-c

Vegeta was still stopped in his tracks both going under babidis mind control and when he was trying to get out. Also babidi's mind control only works on those who are pure evil vegeta was no longer pure evil at that point in the series no matter how bad he wanted to be. He also was aware that babidi was trying to control him. Also you forget that goku cant go ssj in this fight.

Kota amatatsukami and kyoka are absolute in the sense that the victim doesnt even know they are under their control and both can allow the user to manipulate the victim into doing the things the users want.

Kota is code geass level

They both are absolute hypnosis techniques by different means. Both in there own way take away freedoms thevictim once had

Goku doesn't even need to nuke the area he could just punch everyone in the face considering no one will ever touch him unless he stands still.

Originally posted by Nevan
Goku doesn't even need to nuke the area he could just punch everyone in the face considering no one will ever touch him unless he stands still.

There are characters is the hst that goku would punch and actually end up killing himself in the process. Torune for example, salamander is another

Based on?

Goku isn't exactly bug-proof nor is he immune to poison. In fact Mayuri and Magellan could possibly given him trouble.

buuuuuuuuuut....this just keeps going back to friggin mindset.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Goku isn't exactly bug-proof nor is he immune to poison. In fact Mayuri and Magellan could possibly given him trouble.

buuuuuuuuuut....this just keeps going back to friggin mindset.

The mindset thing is kind of settled because unless the thread creator says otherwise we cant have chracters doing things they just plain wouldnt do.

Goku is very merciful and cares about all life on earth he would never just start blowing everything up at the very beggining of a fight thats more vegetas style.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Based on?

Goku isnt immune to disease

But he is immune to cuts, or needing to breathe, on account of the whole "ki bio-sphere" thing, that nearly every Saiyan has done many times. 👆

Why even bring up character mind-sets? If they were in character, Goku would end up training Naruto, and shit on Madara and evil characters. They wouldn't be fighting at all. However, this is a vs. forum, so they WANT to kill each other, meaning Goku yawns and the HST is gone.