Goku vs whole HST

Everyone on this thread arguing in favor of the HST is retarded.

1. Goku could simply hover in outer space and nuke them without any effort.

2. He could tank literally every attack presented in all of the HST, including hax such as Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi, Zaraki's shikai, Yama's bankai, etc. This is non-debatable, as he has feats of tanking temperatures surpassing 11 times that of the suns core in Dragon ball, and can tank galaxy+ busting/potency attacks casually in base form. As well as shrug off genjutsu or illusions with said galaxy-universe potency ki.

3. Destroy any given planet they're on, or vaporize them all at once, before any of them can launch the synapses in their brains to perceive that a fight has started. Goku outran light as a kid. Even Naruto currently peaks at light speed, being the fastest out of the HST. Nuff said.

4. The fact that none of the HST possess Earth level destruction capacity. None of them could hurt Cui, for gods sake. Recoome could tank the entirety of the HST's offense, Goku would just sleep through it.

5. And last but not least, the CIS argument is just sad. Not for the simple fact that Goku could tank all of their attacks, or overcome-power them, even IF he was dumb enough(which he, blood-lusted aside, might be) to let them get their attacks off. The reason it's stupid, is because Goku with CIS applied, wouldn't be fighting in the first place. He would train them, if anything.

GG

Stopped reading at 'galaxy/universe at base'. Guessing the usual came up in that.

Anyhow curious as to where the temp came from.

trasport goku to another dimension or poison him, or teleport respira inside him and goku will lose...... theres to much hax in the hst for base goku

Or Goku just nukes them before they can process a thought, how the **** this has gone on for 7 pages is beyond me

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Or Goku just nukes them before they can process a thought, how the **** this has gone on for 7 pages is beyond me

goku wouldnt do that thats not in his character.... also there are some people that would be able to survive said blast by using their unique abilities or being immortal....also in order to destroy the earth in base mode there would be a charge time allowing openings for the hst to take advantage of.

Or barragan could age the blast, or ppl within the hst could teleport the blast away a numerous amount of ways

also explain to me how base goku gets out of kotoamatsukami.

You know what else is out of character? HST heroes converging on Goku, but for the sake of the thread, it has to happen.

Originally posted by Sacred 117
You know what else is out of character? HST heroes converging on Goku, but for the sake of the thread, it has to happen.

Somebody sounds hurt at the thought of goku losing lol

Originally posted by chasedown
Somebody sounds hurt at the thought of goku losing lol

Not really. It's just a sorry argument to suggest one can't operate out of character in a situation that effectively places everyone there.

Originally posted by Sacred 117
Not really. It's just a sorry argument to suggest one can't operate out of character in a situation that effectively places everyone there.

Unless the thread maker states goku is blood lusted he cant act out of character and blow up the earth.... Otherwise they wouldnt be fighting the real goku

Originally posted by chasedown
Unless the thread maker states goku is blood lusted he cant act out of character and blow up the earth.... Otherwise they wouldnt be fighting the real goku

They're not fighting the real Goku anyways. The OP states that anything beyond SS1 is disallowed.

Originally posted by chasedown
goku wouldnt do that thats not in his character.... also there are some people that would be able to survive said blast by using their unique abilities or being immortal....also in order to destroy the earth in base mode there would be a charge time allowing openings for the hst to take advantage of.

Yeah, still waiting for where anyone in the HST survives a planet buster. Don't need to go through the effort because I know there are none at all

Why destroy the earth, just glass the ****ing surface, planet remains intact, ???, profit :maybe

HST are way to slow to keep up with Goku anways, add in Kaioken, yeah

Or barragan could age the blast

Barragn couldn't age Soifon's weak attacks, why would he be able to age a Kamehameha? Even Pre-Saiyan Saga chars were Mach 89. Add in the Kaioken, plus the fact SS chars would me much faster then their Pre-SS selves, yeah

or ppl within the hst could teleport the blast away a numerous amount of ways

Teleport something they can't react to to begin with? Good luck with that

also explain to me how base goku gets out of kotoamatsukami.

Just going to throw out there that Shenron was unable to hax Nappa and Vegeta due to them being overwhelmingly more powerful than him. Make of that what you will

Or just punch/ki blast the bastard to death

But really, this isn't FactPile where we'd argue it to over the ****ing hills and back again despite the blatantly obvious. What is obvious is Goku has the strength, speed, durability and destructive capacity advantage over everybody here, has the AoE to wipe out the entire verse with an attack along with it's inhabitants before they can react. No if's, buts or anything else's about it

Bloodlusted goku wins easily by blowing up the earth unfortunatly he isnt because it wasnt stated by the thread maker thats how forum vs battles go on every forum site whether you guys like it or not. He was stated to be unable to go past ssj1.

Now that is out of the way here are the facts. Since goku is not bloodlusted that leaves opportunity for a number of thing to occur do you guys really think goku is immune to mental attacks like genjutsu, or poison or dimensional travel.

Within all three series their are master strategists within the hst even of the waaaaaay more smarter than goku shikamaru in seconds can think of more 100 different scenarios. If You guys dont think him his father shukaku, kakashi, madara obito, the other notable uchiha clan members, the kage , aizen and the espada, juha bach and the stern ritters, the soul king and the zero squad and everyone in one piece i dont feel like typing not to mention the few immortals within all 3 cant come up with a strategy to fight goku then the fanboyism is worse than previously thought.

Originally posted by chasedown
Bloodlusted goku wins easily by blowing up the earth unfortunatly he isnt because it wasnt stated by the thread maker thats how forum vs battles go on every forum site whether you guys like it or not. He was stated to be unable to go past ssj1.

round 1: no water near by

round 2: cant go past ssj1

Sure about that sonny boy? Don't see any mention of CIS being applied

"Every forum site?" Honest question here, how many forums do you go to? or even lurk?

Nobody considers CIS (except FactPile, though according to them Jedah can't solo God of War and Dante can beat Goku, among other things). We're talking a fight to the death, i'd use that witty remark on the OBD, but we don't have such a name I could think of to weasel the whole "Outskirts Battledome not Outskirts Writingdome" esque remark into KMC's name

****, Impediment in the MVF even said that character counts for nothing in vs debates due to it not being stated anywhere (Superman vs Voldemort I believe)

SSJ1>>Final Form Frieza. You honestly think that restricting anything beyond that means a damn thing?

Now that is out of the way here are the facts. Since goku is not bloodlusted that leaves opportunity for a number of thing to occur do you guys really think goku is immune to mental attacks like genjutsu, or poison or dimensional travel.

Well hey if a planetary scale reality warper admits haxing SS level chars away is beyond his ability, well you could see what I'm getting at

Within all three series their are master strategists within the hst even of the waaaaaay more smarter than goku shikamaru in seconds can think of more 100 different scenarios. If You guys dont think him his father shukaku, kakashi, madara obito, the other notable uchiha clan members, the kage , aizen and the espada, juha bach and the stern ritters, the soul king and the zero squad and everyone in one piece i dont feel like typing not to mention the few immortals within all 3 cant come up with a strategy to fight goku then the fanboyism is worse than previously thought.

Yeah, if he sees multiple people trying to fight him, and he has the AoE to glass the surface even, even if he isn't the smartest guy in town, you'd think someone who has the AoE to engulf the planet and kill the verse with an attack to his advantage against a shitload of people, oh and assuming Goku will just let his opponents attack first

Also

>uses the whole CIS excuse to say Goku won't blow them to smithereens
>brings up any number of powers the HST and assumes they'll be used right off the bat to "instapwn"

If you're going to bring something up, at least try to be consistent about your standards rather than try to nerf your opponents to weasel a win for the side you're arguing for

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Sure about that sonny boy? Don't see any mention of CIS being applied

"Every forum site?" Honest question here, how many forums do you go to? or even lurk?

Nobody considers CIS (except FactPile, though according to them Jedah can't solo God of War and Dante can beat Goku, among other things). We're talking a fight to the death, i'd use that witty remark on the OBD, but we don't have such a name I could think of to weasel the whole "Outskirts Battledome not Outskirts Writingdome" esque remark into KMC's name

****, Impediment in the MVF even said that character counts for nothing in vs debates due to it not being stated anywhere (Superman vs Voldemort I believe)

SSJ1>>Final Form Frieza. You honestly think that restricting anything beyond that means a damn thing?

Well hey if a planetary scale reality warper admits haxing SS level chars away is beyond his ability, well you could see what I'm getting at

Yeah, if he sees multiple people trying to fight him, and he has the AoE to glass the surface even, even if he isn't the smartest guy in town, you'd think someone who has the AoE to engulf the planet and kill the verse with an attack to his advantage against a shitload of people, oh and assuming Goku will just let his opponents attack first

Also

>uses the whole CIS excuse to say Goku won't blow them to smithereens
>brings up any number of powers the HST and assumes they'll be used right off the bat to "instapwn"

If you're going to bring something up, at least try to be consistent about your standards rather than try to nerf your opponents to weasel a win for the side you're arguing for

Everyone agrees that goku full powered bloodlusted would stomp noone disagrees with that unfortunately he isnt so stop crying.

The thread is can the WHOLE hst beat goku limited to ssj1.

And yes they can its the whole entire catalog from 3 different verses with hax abilities like the totsuka blade and kyoka suigetsu to name another two, damn near everybody in the three verses is smarter intellect wise than goku, a few of them are immortal so goku would run out of energy before he could kill them, the thought that the WHOLE hst couldnt come up with a strategy against a limited goku is sheer ludacris and fanboyism at its best.

The ones that are immortal, Goku can toss them out of orbit for the easy win.

Originally posted by carver9
The ones that are immortal, Goku can toss them out of orbit for the easy win.

Lol smh how does being in space kill an ommortal (face palm)

I guess logic doesnt apply to fanboys

I guess not since "immortality = unstoppable." If that were the case, Ganondorf would never lose a fight. Besides, there are different types of immortality, so to arbitrarily throw it around like it's universally a definite, unlimited state of existence is demonstrably fallacious.

Originally posted by Sacred 117
I guess not since "immortality = unstoppable." If that were the case, Ganondorf would never lose a fight. Besides, there are different types of immortality, so to arbitrarily throw it around like it's universally a definite, unlimited state of existence is demonstrably fallacious.

Again how does being in space kill an immortal

Originally posted by yungz22
Again how does being in space kill an immortal

How do they operate in space?

Pay attention, man. I told you already there are variations of immortality; some of which can be circumvented with something as simple as sufficient raw power (i.e. Shadow the Hedgehog) to as complex as divine process (I.e. Ganondorf).

Immortality is NOT universally perfect, and your not kidding anyone to the contrary.