Goku vs whole HST

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
But he is immune to cuts, or needing to breathe, on account of the whole "ki bio-sphere" thing, that nearly every Saiyan has done many times. 👆

Why even bring up character mind-sets? If they were in character, Goku would end up training Naruto, and shit on Madara and evil characters. They wouldn't be fighting at all. However, this is a vs. forum, so they WANT to kill each other, meaning Goku yawns and the HST is gone.

First you say its a stomp, then you say it isnt, now its back to being a stomp. You might as well start writing for mitt romney with all the flip flopping.

Since when does goku not need air to live?

And since when is immune to disease.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
But he is immune to cuts, or needing to breathe, on account of the whole "ki bio-sphere" thing, that nearly every Saiyan has done many times. 👆

Why even bring up character mind-sets? If they were in character, Goku would end up training Naruto, and shit on Madara and evil characters. They wouldn't be fighting at all. However, this is a vs. forum, so they WANT to kill each other, meaning Goku yawns and the HST is gone.

You do know that Torune's bugs, along with both Magellan and Mayuri's poison don't need an open wound to take affect. Out of those three only Torune's bugs would be escapable. Mayuri's poison can be absorbed through the skin, same as Magellan's so neither of them need Goku to actually inhale it.

Mindset is brought up because the thread maker doesn't specify a particular state of mind that Goku is in. Therefore with CIS on, the chance for this version of Goku is indeed possible. Remember he's limited to only his base form.

Urahara could also put those cuffs on goku and force goku's energy back on himself.

When has the shown the ability to manipulate that level of energy?

What's the greatest amount of energy he's manipulated

Still waiting for the rule where CIS applies by default unless specified otherwise by the OP

Originally posted by StealthRanger
When has the shown the ability to manipulate that level of energy?

What's the greatest amount of energy he's manipulated

Still waiting for the rule where CIS applies by default unless specified otherwise by the OP

Your power is sent back on yourself thats how it works. So i dont have to show you that.

Anybody with those on would die. Only reason aizen lived is brcause the hogyoku shielded him from it.

Also another way goku could lose is if kabuto and oro summon edo tensei. Goku would be fighting them forever and his energy is not unlimited hed use up all his energy and grow fatigued allowing an opening for a multitude of things to happen

>NLF

Oh Jesus Christ, show him redirecting energy that happens to exceed everything in the HST combined

Show me an Edo tanking a planet buster then we can talk

Waiting for the wonderful feat where they redirect the energy of a guy who can slug say, petatons of energy

Or where an edo tanks and regens from said level of energy

Originally posted by StealthRanger
>NLF

Oh Jesus Christ, show him redirecting energy that happens to exceed everything in the HST combined

Show me an Edo tanking a planet buster then we can talk

That would imply that Goku can instantly planet bust: he can't as demonstrated in the series when deflecting other planet busters.

Okay I'll give you the planet busting attacks working on Edo's only due to the BFR that would result from it. However Madara survived being flattened by a meteor and disintegration thanks to Edo regen. Also Goku doesn't have anything that would permanently put an Edo down other than say planet busting.

As for mindset, if not specified its generally assumed on the forums that characters act in character which is why someone like say Thor doesn't just go blitzing everybody. Situations in which Goku acts both in character and bloodlusted can both be suggested here.

All of this means that if Goku act in character, he's in danger of falling into one of the hax from the respective 3 verses: Aizen, Sugar, Obito, Danzo, Shisui, Itachi, Kuma, Gremmy(to a much lesser extent), Mayuri & Magellan's poison would all damper Goku's chance. To be specific if Koto Amatsukami can be place on Goku then the fight for the HST is won.

If he's out of character and blows everything up, then that would net a win for him. Which means we keep going back to mother****ing mindset 😐

That would imply that Goku can instantly planet bust: he can't as demonstrated in the series when deflecting other planet busters.

>deflects planet busters
>says Goku can't planet bust instantly

...

Still waiting for the entire "he needs to charge attacks for a long time to planet bust" gem

Okay I'll give you the planet busting attacks working on Edo's only due to the BFR that would result from it. However Madara survived being flattened by a meteor and disintegration thanks to Edo regen. Also Goku doesn't have anything that would permanently put an Edo down other than say planet busting.

No, it's because they've never shown to regen from that level of damage before

They haven't tanked continent busters and regen'd from those

As for mindset, if not specified its generally assumed on the forums that characters act in character which is why someone like say Thor doesn't just go blitzing everybody. Situations in which Goku acts both in character and bloodlusted can both be suggested here.

I'm not entirely familiar with the rules of the section, can pleeeeaaaaase show me where they're stated to be in character by default?

Besides, they're fighting to the death, fighting to win

Who says Thor doesn't go around blitzing people exactly?

If he's out of character and blows everything up, then that would net a win for him. Which means we keep going back to mother****ing mindset

Or you could just accept that the HST is garbage tier to even country busters, let alone Saiyan Saga DBZ chars. Just a thought

Seriously, this is ****ing ridiculous as hell :geg

Theres just tooooooooo much hax

Goku is not unbeatable. There is strength in numbers.

Oh and did i mention hax

Originally posted by StealthRanger
>deflects planet busters
>says Goku can't planet bust instantly

...

Still waiting for the entire "he needs to charge attacks for a long time to planet bust" gem

I'm tempted to do just that. However I would like to point out that Goku's beam clash with Vegeta wasn't instant. And since he hasn't really been hit with any other planet busting attacks at base it really hard to say anything else about it

Originally posted by StealthRanger

No, it's because they've never shown to regen from that level of damage before

They haven't tanked continent busters and regen'd from those

Originally posted by StealthRanger

I'm not entirely familiar with the rules of the section, can pleeeeaaaaase show me where they're stated to be in character by default?

Besides, they're fighting to the death, fighting to win

Who says Thor doesn't go around blitzing people exactly?

Originally posted by StealthRanger

Or you could just accept that the HST is garbage tier to even country busters, let alone Saiyan Saga DBZ chars. Just a thought

Seriously, this is ****ing ridiculous as hell :geg

Goku has been hurt by less just putting it out there. And stuff like Goku needing oxygen and not immune to disease/toxins/mind-rape is always viable means of attack.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
>deflects planet busters
>says Goku can't planet bust instantly

...

Still waiting for the entire "he needs to charge attacks for a long time to planet bust" gem

No, it's because they've never shown to regen from that level of damage before

They haven't tanked continent busters and regen'd from those

I'm not entirely familiar with the rules of the section, can pleeeeaaaaase show me where they're stated to be in character by default?

Besides, they're fighting to the death, fighting to win

Who says Thor doesn't go around blitzing people exactly?

Or you could just accept that the HST is garbage tier to even country busters, let alone Saiyan Saga DBZ chars. Just a thought

Seriously, this is ****ing ridiculous as hell :geg

The edo tensei have been disintegrated by a molecular dismantiling jutsu.

They were reduced to literally nothing and came back. They are bound to the living world and they only way to get rid of them is for the caster to dispel the jutsu.

Originally posted by chasedown
Theres just tooooooooo much hax

Goku is not unbeatable. There is strength in numbers.

Oh and did i mention hax

Hax which will be useful, barring desperate resorts to CIS..... before or after he glasses the place

Oh indeed, Goku isn't unbeatable. Unfortunately the HST is not in his weight class

The can't because nobody has hit them with such a level of attack. However surviving disintegration is still a valid feat in the Edo regen court.

If they haven't, then they can't. Simple

As for regenerating from disintegration, that sure helped ****ers like Cell and Buu amirite?

However research on character mindsets and abilities is required as outlined in the guidelines: which is one of the causes for that unofficial judgment coming to pass. That has stayed mostly intact over the years.

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Goku has been hurt by less just putting it out there

Such as?

Seriously, get over it. Goku (and DBZ characters in general) are so far above the HST to the point where they can just hover above them and mop it up in one go. No amount of desperate pleas to CIS will change anything

They were reduced to literally nothing and came back

Regenerating from nothing would imply they were annihilated (in the literal sense) and had their souls and minds destroyed. This was not the case

They are bound to the living world and they only way to get rid of them is for the caster to dispel the jutsu.

>NLF

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Hax which will be useful, barring desperate resorts to CIS..... before or after he glasses the place

Oh indeed, Goku isn't unbeatable. Unfortunately the HST is not in his weight class

If they haven't, then they can't. Simple

As for regenerating from disintegration, that sure helped ****ers like Cell and Buu amirite?

[citation needed]

Such as?

Seriously, get over it. Goku (and DBZ characters in general) are so far above the HST to the point where they can just hover above them and mop it up in one go. No amount of desperate pleas to CIS will change anything

Regenerating from nothing would imply they were annihilated (in the literal sense) and had their souls and minds destroyed. This was not the case

>NLF

The edo bodies were reduced past a molecular level which is a greater regen feat then cell who regenerates when brain cells are intact. If you didnt know molecules are smaller than cells. Kid buu and cell both died after being disintergrated they didnt come back.

Their souls being bound to the living plane has nothing to do with a no limits fallacy thats just how the jutsu works. Casters from the naruto verse have said the same thing. And proof is madara who remained edo even after kabuto dispelled the jutsu

Originally posted by StealthRanger

If they haven't, then they can't. Simple

As for regenerating from disintegration, that sure helped ****ers like Cell and Buu amirite?

Also considering the functionality of the justu its quite possible for them to tank it provided the attack itself negates Edo regen such as what Obito and Madara can do.

Originally posted by StealthRanger

[citation needed]

lines 1,2 and 6 cover general research and posting information on character feats, abilities, or additional knowledge that would affect the outcome of the fight.

Originally posted by StealthRanger

Such as?

Seriously, get over it. Goku (and DBZ characters in general) are so far above the HST to the point where they can just hover above them and mop it up in one go. No amount of desperate pleas to CIS will change anything

CIS is still valid if nothing is specified by the thread maker, which keeps looping all arguments back to mindset. And considering this is only base Goku, the chances of him glassing the entire planet in one go can be challenged.

Originally posted by StealthRanger

Regenerating from nothing would imply they were annihilated (in the literal sense) and had their souls and minds destroyed. This was not the case
>NLF

Not quite. Goku's only done complete annihilation with the Spirit Bomb against a pure evil character. And in cases of the Spirit Bomb using the "it takes time to charge" argument is indeed valid. Using equivalency rule only removes the restriction it has on what the Spirit Bomb can affect.

Even if he could do that in base form due to how Edo Tensei works, they would still regenerate.

Remember this is the same Goku that struggled with 40 tons( though I was never sure if that included the higher gravity of the Kai planet). Blitzing however is a sound argument unless characters like Kizaru and Enel are brought up...then it gets a tad difficult.

Instant Transmission will definitely help him outdo HST and the stronger he gets the faster he'll be.

Originally posted by atv2
Instant Transmission will definitely help him outdo HST and the stronger he gets the faster he'll be.

Read the first post this is goku before ssj1

Raditz solos. No one in the hst can keep up with mach 50 flying speed

Originally posted by OhLawdyLawd
Raditz solos. No one in the hst can keep up with mach 50 flying speed

What? Not only is Raditz LUDICROUSLY faster than that, but the HST characters aside from Bleach are faster too.

Naruto verse puts up the best fight, but Raditz would still win. If not normally, then definitely as a great ape.

Start of Z Piccolo Solos since he is a casual Moon buster

And Raditz is much faster then mach 50

Roshi and Crane can effortlessly catch machine gun bullet point blank, Yet 22nd Goku completely disappeared from there vision. And the list of biltzs goes on and on and on.

Raditz should be 5 digits low end