Originally posted by Sacred 117
How do they operate in space?Pay attention, man. I told you already there are variations of immortality; some of which can be circumvented with something as simple as sufficient raw power (i.e. Shadow the Hedgehog) to as complex as divine process (I.e. Ganondorf).
Immortality is NOT universally perfect, and your not kidding anyone to the contrary.
So you think kaguya and aizen would die just from being in space?
Originally posted by yungz22
So you think kaguya and aizen would die just from being in space?
Instead of missing the point and trying to put words in my mouth (irrelevant to anything I said), how about describing their immortality instead of desperately declaring they're without limit? (I'll feel really bad for you if I have to keep providing examples.)
Originally posted by chasedown
Everyone agrees that goku full powered bloodlusted would stomp noone disagrees with that unfortunately he isnt so stop crying.The thread is can the WHOLE hst beat goku limited to ssj1.
And yes they can its the whole entire catalog from 3 different verses with hax abilities like the totsuka blade and kyoka suigetsu to name another two, damn near everybody in the three verses is smarter intellect wise than goku, a few of them are immortal so goku would run out of energy before he could kill them, the thought that the WHOLE hst couldnt come up with a strategy against a limited goku is sheer ludacris and fanboyism at its best.
Still waiting for where CIS is applied by default. OP sure as hell didn't say that
Still not seeing why limited to SSJ1 matters. Unless you believe the HST cannot beat Frieza, in which case you'd be a ****ing idiot
And yeah, immortality isn't some "immune to his attacks card, let alone attacks that exceed the HST by a gigatic margain" button, there are different types of immortality, you know
No, sheer fanboyism would be saying Goku could beat ****ers like Dark Schneider, TTGL, Pegasus Seiya, etc, and I'm not the kind of guy who argues this shit, but HST?
Yeah, any debating board would laugh you out of there and desperate resorts to CIS won't change a damn thing outcome-wise
Originally posted by yungz22
How would goku kill an immortal like kaguya and the sage of six paths who live in more than one dimesion at once?
That's literally not even in response to what he said. As for the point of contingency, would you try actually, I don't know, COHERENTLY ADDRESSING IT?
We've told you already that immortality is not a perfect status, and you continue to cling to it despite that. Until you cease ignoring that point simply because it disagrees with your selective misinterpretation, you have no case.
As it stands, it honestly wouldn't surprise me to heat you say that her being "immortal' means she could somehow beat the following:
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Dark Schneider, TTGL, Pegasus Seiya
Originally posted by Sacred 117
That's literally not even in response to what he said. As for the point of contingency, would you try actually, I don't know, COHERENTLY ADDRESSING IT?We've told you already that immortality is not a perfect status, and you continue to cling to it despite that. Until you cease ignoring that point simply because it disagrees with your selective misinterpretation, you have no case.
As it stands, it honestly wouldn't surprise me to heat you say that her being "immortal' means she could somehow beat the following:
Why does it matter that thre are different facets of immortality its irrelavant. you guys are beating around the bush
How can goku kill and immortal being like kaguya and the sage is my question? all the other stuff that you guys post is irrelavant and beating around the bush
Originally posted by yungz22
Why does it matter that thre are different facets of immortality its irrelavant. you guys are beating around the bushHow can goku kill and immortal being like kaguya and the sage is my question? all the other stuff that you guys post is irrelavant and beating around the bush
It matters because they all work differently. As I said earlier (which you likely overlooked on purpose), Shadow the Hedgehog is immortal, but it doesn't mean Goku can't kill him. Why? Because his immortality brand f**king matters. He's capable of living forever because he can't die of natural causes (age, sickness, etc.), but go ahead and tell me that makes him impervious to everything everywhere (without the Emeralds, that is) simply because you think they're all the same.
Originally posted by Sacred 117
It matters because they all work differently. As I said earlier (which you likely overlooked on purpose), Shadow the Hedgehog is immortal, but it doesn't mean Goku can't kill him. Why? Because his immortality brand f**king matters. He's capable of living forever because he can't die of natural causes (age, sickness, etc.), but go ahead and tell me that makes him impervious to everything everywhere (without the Emeralds, that is) simply because you think they're all the same.
That still doesnt answer my question what does shadow have to do with kaguya, aizen or the sage of six paths other immortals like edo tensei vs goku? How can he kill them
Originally posted by yungz22
That still doesnt answer my question what does shadow have to do with kaguya, aizen or the sage of six paths other immortals like edo tensei vs goku? How can he kill them
Well, since you know how they can differ, how about describing their "immortality"? Better yet, how did these people get dealt with in their respective series?
Give me those things, and cease pretending they deal in absolutes, and we might have something else to talk about (which certainly isn't Aizen killing Goku haermm).
Also, I'll throw in the fact that Shadow could wreck them... Just because.
I stopped taking any such argument seriously when he claimed Goku couldn't kill Aizen of all people
http://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/13-general-obd-terms/100-immortality
Different levels of immortality, since some people don't get it
Originally posted by StealthRanger
I stopped taking any such argument seriously when he claimed Goku couldn't kill Aizen of all peoplehttp://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/13-general-obd-terms/100-immortality
Different levels of immortality, since some people don't get it
He cant kill aizen. defeat him yes because all it takes to beat aizen is an overload of the hogyoku.
Again how can goku kill a being like kaguya and the sage who lives in more than one dimension at a time?
Originally posted by yungz22
He cant kill aizen. defeat him yes because all it takes to beat aizen is an overload of the hogyoku.Again how can goku kill a being like kaguya and the sage who lives in more than one dimension at a time?
So... if he can defeat them (as just admitted by you), what the hell are you arguing about?
See, you keep saying that, and no offense, but all I'm hearing is "Nardo-verse is infallible." If they can deal with them, why can't Goku?
Let me ask you this: Do you think Goku can kill Ganondorf? A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice.
Originally posted by StealthRanger
I stopped taking any such argument seriously when he claimed Goku couldn't kill Aizen of all peoplehttp://outskirtsbattledomewiki.com/index.php/13-general-obd-terms/100-immortality
Different levels of immortality, since some people don't get it
Honestly, I can't take this thread seriously. I basically knew it would just devolve into what it was intended to be to "Goku (limited) vs. Naruto-verse", and those opposing Goku pretend as if he's EOS complete. It's sad really.
Originally posted by Sacred 117
So... if he can defeat them (as just admitted by you), what the hell are you arguing about?See, you keep saying that, and no offense, but all I'm hearing is "Nardo-verse is infallible." If they can deal with them, why can't Goku?
Let me ask you this: Do you think Goku can kill Ganondorf? A simple 'yes' or 'no' will suffice.
I gave a reason as to how he could beat aizen but aizen, kaguya and the sage are on different levels of immortality as you stated there are.
Weve seen aizen get defeated from overload of the hogyoku but the same doesnt automatically apply with kaguya as her immortality is on a whole nother plane than aizens.
Dont get mad because you cant come up a reason as to how goku could kill her.
Just answer the question you guys keep running around it.
How can goku kill kaguya and the sage of six paths who are beings that are immortal and trancend time/space.
The thing is there are too many characters with too many diff type of abilities. And two many strategist that think plan and think way more efficiently than goku does. Not to mention the omnipotent characters like the sage and kaguya.
Goku couldnt even kill and edo tensei if he tried nor does he have any sealing techniques
Goku is just a martial artist he doesnt have anyway to fight against hax like kotoamatsukami which in essence is a geass in naruto form, poison or being trapped in a dimension or in space with no oxygen for the rest of his natural life. There are too many ways for him to die.
Originally posted by yungz22
I gave a reason as to how he could beat aizen but aizen, kaguya and the sage are on different levels of immortality as you stated there are.Weve seen aizen get defeated from overload of the hogyoku but the same doesnt automatically apply with kaguya as her immortality is on a whole nother plane than aizens.
Dont get mad because you cant come up a reason as to how goku could kill her.
Just answer the question you guys keep running around it.
How can goku kill kaguya and the sage of six paths who are beings that are immortal and trancend time/space.
Answer my question, and I may proceed to care about yours.
Originally posted by chasedown
omnipotent characters like the sage and kaguya.
Stopped reading.