Georges Batroc vs Batman

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You didn't read what I said

I'm not one for White Knight'ing but you didn't answer the question FrothByte asked. You're the one claiming that mook assassin's were feasible opponents to warrant Baleman's victory over Batroc. And because there is some doubt about that claim its not weird to ask for a clip that shows just how skilled these assassins were that Baleman beat up.

Also I think I said this before but even though Batroc lost against Cap he wasn't KO'd which should count for something here.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I'm not one for White Knight'ing but you didn't answer the question FrothByte asked. You're the one claiming that mook assassin's were feasible opponents to warrant Baleman's victory over Batroc. And because there is some doubt about that claim its not weird to ask for a clip that shows just how skilled these assassins were that Baleman beat up.

Also I think I said this before but even though Batroc lost against Cap he wasn't KO'd which should count for something here.

He asked me a question which I already answered white knight. And he was out cold, what do you call that other then a TKO.😆 😆

Originally posted by FrothByte
I read it and answered it. You however keep trying to avoid my question. Show me one opponent that Batman beat soundly who showed skill at the level of Batroc.

And for some reason you think that Batman can smash Batroc in the face but Batroc can't do the same to Bats?

Actually forget it. I don't know why I'm still debating with you considering that you think "Batman will always find a way".

First the answer is no, he has not faced an anyone exactly like Batroc, had Captain? No..thats why he struggled with him at first.

Second he took regular beating to the face from Bane without going cold on the ground.

Actually Captain and Batman both always find a way.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
He asked me a question which I already answered white knight. And he was out cold, what do you call that other then a TKO.😆 😆

Batroc got back up to throw a grenade. leading me to believe that either he wasn't knocked out or that it was the shortest knockout ever and considering the circumstance in which it took place I have reason to believe the former is more likely.

Also I don't see any video clips from you in any of your post or even direction to a scene where Baleman's assassin feat takes place so that it can be viewed and stuff.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Batroc got back up to throw a grenade. leading me to believe that either he wasn't knocked out or that it was the shortest knockout ever and considering the circumstance in which it took place I have reason to believe the former is more likely.

Also I don't see any video clips from you in any of your post or even direction to a scene where Baleman's assassin feat takes place so that it can be viewed and stuff.

According to people here and these forum battles a knock out is when someone goes down for any given amount of time even if he wasn't cold on the floor...

I don't see anyone posting any clips of Batroc as some people here have admitted to only seeing the fight via shady movie sites or youtube.

You guys claim to be movie nuts but can't even cough up the coin to see the real movie legitimately. 😂

Some critics I tell ya.

it's still the same goddamn fight whether we watched it on youtube or streamed it from elsewhere

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
it's still the same goddamn fight whether we watched it on youtube or streamed it from elsewhere

When you can get a single sentence or word out without cussing and swearing I might take you serious.. 😆 😆

I saw it Saturday night in IMAX 3D. Batroc was down, but definitely not out. In fact, Cap seemed to be so used to ko'ing/killing people with one or two hits that as soon as Batroc hit the deck, his attention was elsewhere. But it didn't take him long at all to get back up.

But the points people are making are these

1. Batroc is more skilled than anyone in the Dark Knight Trilogy. More skilled than Batman, Ra's, Bane, etc... We know this because despite having only a short amount of time, he gave Cap some trouble and was clearly affecting him with his strikes. And if he can make Steve feel his hits, Bruce's armor won't help much.

2. Batroc is faster than anyone in Dark Knight Trilogy, this is again showcased by his fight. Cap and Bucky fighting back and forth were damn fast, and Cap himself has shown impressive reflex/combat speed in a ton of scenes, like the elevator one for example. If Bruce can even hit him, they'll be glancing blows at the most, and Batroc was taking full hits from Cap and still going strong.

3. Batroc is durable enough to take a beating from Cap including a bunch of hard hits, and a shield shoulder check to the face without going down.

4. Cap is far and away a superhuman. There's no doubt about that. He'd slaughter Batman, Bane, Ra's, Selina, the mook ninjas, the swat team...all of them. He'd run wild on them. Batroc gave him a fight; it wasn't much of one once he took the kid gloves off, but the only other people to challenge Captain America in a melee were Red Skull, another superhuman with military training and strong enough to dent steel. Loki, a Frost Giant durable enough to tank hits from Thor and walk off a Hulk thrashing. And Winter Soldier, a guy at least peak human durability/skill/speed, etc... as well as a bionic arm that was pretty damn strong. All the people on this list are so far above Bruce it's not even funny.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
According to people here and these forum battles a knock out is when someone goes down for any given amount of time even if he wasn't cold on the floor...

I don't see anyone posting any clips of Batroc as some people here have admitted to only seeing the fight via shady movie sites or youtube.

You guys claim to be movie nuts but can't even cough up the coin to see the real movie legitimately. 😂

Some critics I tell ya.

Okay and? Even if he was out cold, which again I have reason to doubt, he still got back up to throw a grenade proving to me that Batroc has some vitality going for him at the very least: a quality that Baleman doesn't really have that much to show in his fights.

I also suggested point out the scene and maybe some details as to what happened in said scene. Also the fact that people here are able to talk about key details in the fight along with the fight itself should be evidence that posters have at least saw the fight regardless of the format.

Originally posted by KingD19
I saw it Saturday night in IMAX 3D. Batroc was down, but definitely not out. In fact, Cap seemed to be so used to ko'ing/killing people with one or two hits that as soon as Batroc hit the deck, his attention was elsewhere. But it didn't take him long at all to get back up.

But the points people are making are these

1. Batroc is more skilled than anyone in the Dark Knight Trilogy. More skilled than Batman, Ra's, Bane, etc... We know this because despite having only a short amount of time, he gave Cap some trouble and was clearly affecting him with his strikes. And if he can make Steve feel his hits, Bruce's armor won't help much.

2. Batroc is faster than anyone in Dark Knight Trilogy, this is again showcased by his fight. Cap and Bucky fighting back and forth were damn fast, and Cap himself has shown impressive reflex/combat speed in a ton of scenes, like the elevator one for example. If Bruce can even hit him, they'll be glancing blows at the most, and Batroc was taking full hits from Cap and still going strong.

3. Batroc is durable enough to take a beating from Cap including a bunch of hard hits, and a shield shoulder check to the face without going down.

4. Cap is far and away a superhuman. There's no doubt about that. He'd slaughter Batman, Bane, Ra's, Selina, the mook ninjas, the swat team...all of them. He'd run wild on them. Batroc gave him a fight; it wasn't much of one once he took the kid gloves off, but the only other people to challenge Captain America in a melee were Red Skull, another superhuman with military training and strong enough to dent steel. Loki, a Frost Giant durable enough to tank hits from Thor and walk off a Hulk thrashing. And Winter Soldier, a guy at least peak human durability/skill/speed, etc... as well as a bionic arm that was pretty damn strong. All the people on this list are so far above Bruce it's not even funny.

Dang someone I can actually talk to who has seen the movie, up until this point its been nothing but silent shady tricks and one liners with nothing to back up his argument who never even saw the movie and frosty knuckles not doing a good job at selling me ice.

1. Long shot to say he is more skilled than anyone in the Batman Universe. He's not taking Bane down no matter how hard you want to sell that trash.

2. Since when has anyone not been able to hit another person in comic book movie even with speeds faster then him?

3. He's a peak human at best, and your making him to be a superhuman, Batman is also a peak human that has a coat of armor and has taken far worse beating's then a few blows from Cap.

4. I don't see the relevance to this fight. He isn't fighting Captain, he's fighting a dude with a couple tricks and 30 seconds of glory. Your trying to stack that 30 seconds vs 3 movies worth of amazing feats from Batman, it does not compute. People are saying John McClane takes out Batman based off his 5 movies? And your basing your argument of 30 seconds of tricks against a trained warrior who find a way to win with 3 movies of continuos feats? No sell.

5. Considering Batman does not stop until literally someone breaks his back or gasses him. And Batroc has no way in hell to do either of them. Batroc goes down. And no where did I say it was going to be easy, its a good matchup between true warrior and and a different fighting style produced. This guy could put on a good show for Batman but one way or another considering his long history of feats and movies. A single foe with 30 seconds of glory does not usurp him or steal his crown as a true badass.

To add to #2 Spiderman who's faster then most all if not everyone he faces and has Spidy sense gets tagged all the time by people slower then him. Again a no sell on saying Batman can now not touch Batroc because he appears to be faster then Batman..People slower then Spiderman tag him continuously.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial

1. Long shot to say he is more skilled than anyone in the Batman Universe. He's not taking Bane down no matter how hard you want to sell that trash.

2. Since when has anyone not been able to hit another person in comic book movie even with speeds faster then him?

3. He's a peak human at best, and your making him to be a superhuman, Batman is also a peak human that has a coat of armor and has taken far worse beating's then a few blows from Cap.

4. I don't see the relevance to this fight. He isn't fighting Captain, he's fighting a dude with a couple tricks and 30 seconds of glory. Your trying to stack that 30 seconds vs 3 movies worth of amazing feats from Batman, it does not compute. People are saying John McClane takes out Batman based off his 5 movies? And your basing your argument of 30 seconds of tricks against a trained warrior who find a way to win with 3 movies of continuos feats? No sell.

5. Considering Batman does not stop until literally someone breaks his back or gasses him. And Batroc has no way in hell to do either of them. Batroc goes down. And no where did I say it was going to be easy, its a good matchup between true warrior and and a different fighting style produced. This guy could put on a good show for Batman but one way or another considering his long history of feats and movies. A single foe with 30 seconds of glory does not usurp him or steal his crown as a true badass.

1. Why wouldn't he? What skill has Bane showed other than throwing haymakers(though the did have some power) and beating up an old Batman that would warrant he can take blows from Captain America who is clearly superhuman.

2.These are movie versions and therefore comic book comparisons are of little use here.

3. Batroc is a human who took hits from a clearly defined superhuman, tanking shield hits, and even after loosing still got back up to throw a grenade and make a dash for the exit.

4. If you can scale off of mook ninjas, of which you've yet to provide a clue as to what said ninjas' capabilities are that would net Batman a win, then its only fair to scale off of Captain America to gauge how well Batroc would perfrom in a fight.

5. "Batman always finds a way" again? 😖igh: would like to point out that Ras had no trouble fighting a "prime" Batman and was one move away from stabbing him in the face. Batroc displayed movement speed and technique that appear to be much more effective given the current setup of this fight. Also when said guy with "30 seconds of glory" has displayed more impressive fighting ability than the dude with 3 films, you know there's a problem.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
When you can get a single sentence or word out without cussing and swearing I might take you serious.. 😆 😆

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
provide an adequate answer, if you won't, would you kindly not speak

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
1. Why wouldn't he? What skill has Bane showed other than throwing haymakers(though the did have some power) and beating up an old Batman that would warrant he can take blows from Captain America who is clearly superhuman.

2.These are movie versions and therefore comic book comparisons are of little use here.

3. Batroc is a human who took hits from a clearly defined superhuman, tanking shield hits, and even after loosing still got back up to throw a grenade and make a dash for the exit.

4. If you can scale off of mook ninjas, of which you've yet to provide a clue as to what said ninjas' capabilities are that would net Batman a win, then its only fair to scale off of Captain America to gauge how well Batroc would perfrom in a fight.

5. "Batman always finds a way" again? 😖igh: would like to point out that Ras had no trouble fighting a "prime" Batman and was one move away from stabbing him in the face. Batroc displayed movement speed and technique that appear to be much more effective given the current setup of this fight. Also when said guy with "30 seconds of glory" has displayed more impressive fighting ability than the dude with 3 films, you know there's a problem.

1. Taking down countless people with ease, breaking concrete with his bands, breaking though batman's mask which no one has even been able to do, lifting a dude that is supposedly bigger and much heavier with his armor right over his head, touching people and they basically die. He's no weakling

2. You think Batman and Bane would just go down from some shield hits? They are super hero movie for being normal humans or every day fodder. They take down the fodder. Batman has taken worse beatings Cap produced on Batroc. Lets see Batroc survive Batman or Banes career, not gonna happen.

3. Scale of mook Ninja's. Again downplaying and lowballing the role and the ability and training of the league of shadows.

4. Does Captain always find a way? I would not call jumping around like a gymnast a more impressive way to fight. Since when has excessive speed and agility stopped Spiderman from getting tagged by slower opponents?

all of Spidey's foes are either as fast as him or can release AoE attacks

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
1. Taking down countless people with ease, breaking concrete with his bands, breaking though batman's mask which no one has even been able to do, lifting a dude that is supposedly bigger and much heavier with his armor right over his head, touching people and they basically die. He's no weakling

2. You think Batman and Bane would just go down from some shield hits? They are super hero movie for being normal humans or every day fodder. They take down the fodder. Batman has taken worse beatings Cap produced on Batroc. Lets see Batroc survive Batman or Banes career, not gonna happen.

3. Scale of mook Ninja's. Again downplaying and lowballing the role and the ability and training of the league of shadows.

4. Does Captain always find a way? I would not call jumping around like a gymnast a more impressive way to fight. Since when has excessive speed and agility stopped Spiderman from getting tagged by slower opponents?

1. Exactly how skill were these people? Scaling off of Cap who took out soldiers that, thanks to WS, actually had decent showings of skill(ex. pre-Crossbones) I still wouldn't bet againt Batroc. As impressive as the pilar feat is Bane is still weaker than Cap who Batroc was able to take blows from, also exactly how is Bane supposed to tag him considering he was all kinds of sluggish in his fight with Batman.

2. Going by movie versions yes they would.

3. Not really downplaying more than I am just curious as to what the mook ninjas can actually do that would compare against Batroc let alone Cap. Even though Batroc lost to Cap once he got serious, he wasn't out cold like the rest of the usual guys Cap beats up.

4. What does Spiderman have to do with this? Also your previous statement pretty much amounted to "Batman always finds a way" so its not far off for me to say that.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Dang someone I can actually talk to who has seen the movie, up until this point its been nothing but silent shady tricks and one liners with nothing to back up his argument who never even saw the movie and frosty knuckles not doing a good job at selling me ice.

That's some pretty tough talk coming from someone who has yet to provide any concrete evidence to back up his arguments.

You call what Batroc does as "a couple of tricks" and yet fail to provide proof that anyone else in the TDK trilogy is of comparable skill.

Batroc's kicks were sending Cap stepping back several feet. Considering the shield's unique properties and Cap's superhuman strength, that's impressive, if not outright impossible.

Yeah that shield is pretty inconsistent. Cap can tank a shot from Mjolnir without his legs cracking but then a grenade against his shield throws him off a bridge.

But oh well, feats are feats. And Batroc being able to displace Cap with a kick to the shield is still a pretty impressive feat.

Also notice how he strained to take Bucky's punches with the shield? Inconsistency for the sake of action scenes.

Or we can conclude that grenade > Batroc kicks > cyborg punches > power shot from Mjolnir