Originally posted by KingD19This. Its a stomp for Batroc.
I saw it Saturday night in IMAX 3D. Batroc was down, but definitely not out. In fact, Cap seemed to be so used to ko'ing/killing people with one or two hits that as soon as Batroc hit the deck, his attention was elsewhere. But it didn't take him long at all to get back up.But the points people are making are these
1. Batroc is more skilled than anyone in the Dark Knight Trilogy. More skilled than Batman, Ra's, Bane, etc... We know this because despite having only a short amount of time, he gave Cap some trouble and was clearly affecting him with his strikes. And if he can make Steve feel his hits, Bruce's armor won't help much.
2. Batroc is faster than anyone in Dark Knight Trilogy, this is again showcased by his fight. Cap and Bucky fighting back and forth were damn fast, and Cap himself has shown impressive reflex/combat speed in a ton of scenes, like the elevator one for example. If Bruce can even hit him, they'll be glancing blows at the most, and Batroc was taking full hits from Cap and still going strong.
3. Batroc is durable enough to take a beating from Cap including a bunch of hard hits, and a shield shoulder check to the face without going down.
4. Cap is far and away a superhuman. There's no doubt about that. He'd slaughter Batman, Bane, Ra's, Selina, the mook ninjas, the swat team...all of them. He'd run wild on them. Batroc gave him a fight; it wasn't much of one once he took the kid gloves off, but the only other people to challenge Captain America in a melee were Red Skull, another superhuman with military training and strong enough to dent steel. Loki, a Frost Giant durable enough to tank hits from Thor and walk off a Hulk thrashing. And Winter Soldier, a guy at least peak human durability/skill/speed, etc... as well as a bionic arm that was pretty damn strong. All the people on this list are so far above Bruce it's not even funny.
Originally posted by FrothByte
That's some pretty tough talk coming from someone who has yet to provide any concrete evidence to back up his arguments.You call what Batroc does as "a couple of tricks" and yet fail to provide proof that anyone else in the TDK trilogy is of comparable skill.
I already told you the same thing three times you can't understand me saying he didn't fight anyone that has his same skill?
Had cap fought anyone with comparable skills like Batroc before him..no, which is why he was sparing with him at first, figured out how to take him down and did so.
What you can't seem to grasp is that Batman can do the same thing. And like I said again, nothing has been shown to stop Batman besides breaking his back or gassing him. Two things Batroc cannot do.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah that shield is pretty inconsistent. Cap can tank a shot from Mjolnir without his legs cracking but then a grenade against his shield throws him off a bridge.But oh well, feats are feats. And Batroc being able to displace Cap with a kick to the shield is still a pretty impressive feat.
Its called physics, if someone jumps on top of you and kick's you your prolly going to fall no matter how tough you are, when and where was it stated Captain could never be knocked down?
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
1. Exactly how skill were these people? Scaling off of Cap who took out soldiers that, thanks to WS, actually had decent showings of skill(ex. pre-Crossbones) I still wouldn't bet againt Batroc. As impressive as the pilar feat is Bane is still weaker than Cap who Batroc was able to take blows from, also exactly how is Bane supposed to tag him considering he was all kinds of sluggish in his fight with Batman.2. Going by movie versions yes they would.
3. Not really downplaying more than I am just curious as to what the mook ninjas can actually do that would compare against Batroc let alone Cap. Even though Batroc lost to Cap once he got serious, he wasn't out cold like the rest of the usual guys Cap beats up.
4. What does Spiderman have to do with this? Also your previous statement pretty much amounted to "Batman always finds a way" so its not far off for me to say that.
The opposition says Batroc is to fast and therefore Batman can't touch him, I point out spiderman who is countless times faster then all of his foes and they manage to tag him. Just because your faster does not mean your not going to get tagged or taken down.
Batroc has knees, eyes, arms, throat just like everyone else, Batman specializes in lethal takedowns. Captain specializes in power attacks. Both effective, you play the cards your dealt.
To then ignore 3 movies worth of feats, say Batroc can now solo the whole Batman series based of 30 seconds of glory is childish.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The opposition says Batroc is to fast and therefore Batman can't touch him, I point out spiderman who is countless times faster then all of his foes and they manage to tag him. Just because your faster does not mean your not going to get tagged or taken down.Batroc has knees, eyes, arms, throat just like everyone else, Batman specializes in lethal takedowns. Captain specializes in power attacks. Both effective, you play the cards your dealt.
To then ignore 3 movies worth of feats, say Batroc can now solo the whole Batman series based of 30 seconds of glory is childish.
Perhaps but with the superior display of fighting ability and a convincing showing of durability I'd say that Batroc's odd of winning against Baleman are still pretty high.
Um what does that have to do with Batman's capabilities in this particular fight? Who has Batman fought with similar skills to either Cap or Batroc that would be a convincing argument in his favor?
I'm not ignoring the feats I'm just wondering what feats out of those 3 movies would actually grant Batman a win. For example who he fought, how many of the enemy did he fought, how strong/skilled was the person he fought, did Batman struggle or stomp them, whether or not he exploited a weakness against said enemy....stuff like that which could possibly show that he stands a chance against Batroc.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I already told you the same thing three times you can't understand me saying he didn't fight anyone that has his same skill?Had cap fought anyone with comparable skills like Batroc before him..no, which is why he was sparing with him at first, figured out how to take him down and did so.
What you can't seem to grasp is that Batman can do the same thing. And like I said again, nothing has been shown to stop Batman besides breaking his back or gassing him. Two things Batroc cannot do.
I'm not asking you to provide examples of someone with the same skill as Batroc, but someone with the same skill level or higher. Do you understand?
If Batman has never fought and defeated anyone with similar skill level as Batroc, how then can you say that Batman can beat him?
What you can't seem to grasp is that simply saying "Batman can do the same thing" without even providing any proof of it is just plain stupid.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm not asking you to provide examples of someone with the same skill as Batroc, but someone with the same skill level or higher. Do you understand?If Batman has never fought and defeated anyone with similar skill level as Batroc, how then can you say that Batman can beat him?
What you can't seem to grasp is that simply saying "Batman can do the same thing" without even providing any proof of it is just plain stupid.
Right I'm stupid for ignoring 3 movies of feats and not agreeing with 30 seconds of literally nothing happening but a good spar. Stay frosty. You need to rewatch Batman's feats instead of ignoring them and trading them for a meaningless screen fight.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Right I'm stupid for ignoring 3 movies of feats and not agreeing with 30 seconds of literally nothing happening but a good spar. Stay frosty. You need to rewatch Batman's feats instead of ignoring them and trading them for a meaningless screen fight.
I'm not ignoring his feats, just that his feats are useless in this debate unless they are against opponents of similar skill level to Batroc.
Now, are you going to ignore my point again and come up with some crap like "Batman will find a way" or "He has 3 movies worth of feats, of course he'll win" or are you finally going to debate properly?
Btw, lol at "meaningless screen fight". Are you telling me that Batroc's screen fight is meaningless and yet somehow Batman's are "meaningful"? What a load of crap you are.
Tobey Spidey
Green Goblin
as fast
as strong
has tracking flying bombs
maybe has greater mobility
Doc Ock
as strong maybe stronger
the arms are as fast
Sandman
large mass of sand
Venom
as fast
stronger
Garfield Spidey
Lizard
as fast
stronger
Electro
can release devastating AoE attacks
Rhino
stronger
more durable
Goblin
as mobile?
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
provide an adequate answer, if you can't, would you kindly refrain from speaking?
Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm not ignoring his feats, just that his feats are useless in this debate unless they are against opponents of similar skill level to Batroc.Now, are you going to ignore my point again and come up with some crap like "Batman will find a way" or "He has 3 movies worth of feats, of course he'll win" or are you finally going to debate properly?
You have ignored 3 movies of close to superhuman durability feats. You can't grasp the speed it takes to take down 15-30 people at the same time.
When are you going to stop ignoring feats for 30 seconds of glory on a guy who lost and didn't even hurt Captain.
Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Tobey SpideyGreen Goblin
as fast
as strong
has tracking flying bombs
maybe has greater mobilityDoc Ock
as strong maybe stronger
the arms are as fastSandman
large mass of sandVenom
as fast
strongerGarfield Spidey
Lizard
as fast
strongerElectro
can release devastating AoE attacksRhino
stronger
more durableGoblin
as mobile?
None of those are as fast as Spiderman, except Venom.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You have ignored 3 movies of close to superhuman durability feats. You can't grasp the speed it takes to take down 15-30 people at the same time.When are you going to stop ignoring feats for 30 seconds of glory on a guy who lost and didn't even hurt Captain.
So where again did Batman beat someone of skill comparable to Batroc?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Btw, lol at "meaningless screen fight". Are you telling me that Batroc's screen fight is meaningless and yet somehow Batman's are "meaningful"? What a load of crap you are.
Nice edit throwing that in under the radar 😂
Was that is supposed to instill some type of internal anger in me, sorry your fanboy got his ass kicked and only had 30 seconds of glory. I wonder how many series they gonna make off his meaningless character. I'm truly surprised you would toss your lot in with that character who absolutely did nothing but put on a good show for the screen, with zero feats but surprising cap and knocking him down.