Controlling lightning doesn't make him as fast as lightning, by that logic any character who can control electricity
Oh, sorry, I meant to say Mach 15 is Dante's best speed feat, based off Alastor or whatever it was
just like you can't prove Sephiroth is Mach 100
"I don't like it so it never happened" is not a valid argument
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Controlling lightning doesn't make him as fast as lightning, by that logic any character who can control electricityOh, sorry, I meant to say Mach 15 is Dante's best speed feat, based off Alastor or whatever it was
"I don't like it so it never happened" is not a valid argument
I don't like it AND it never happened is a better description.
Also, the point is, Dante can just take out the Guitar and whoop up on Sephiroth.
Calcs means just as much as that "hyperbole" you kept going on about. You're gonna feel like a real jack-ass 5 years from now when the president of SE is all like "Someone said Sephiroth is Mach 100? No, more like Mach 10, still has lots or power behind him, though"
I don't know what you think gives you the right to call a calc canon, but ok.
Author's intent does not apply, you could apply that logic for any fiction
And no, a moar precise measure of a feat>>>some statement not backed up by any feats whatsoever
I don't know what you think gives you the right to call a calc canon, but ok
"Durr calcs are fan made and therefore are not canon"
MovieCodec tier logic+
Originally posted by StealthRanger
Because Freiza is just that much more powerful than Vegeta, and a more concentrated form of damageWell if it was by beings even on Nero's level, then it'd be far from a low end showing. Plus, swords, bullets, etc due to their sharp edges have a far higher level of pressure compared to a fist or explosion, reason why swords are very effective against very durable opponents when used by beings on a comparable tier
Same reason why railguns only have 10 megajoules or force behind them, but due to their tips, can harm beings with multi-city block level durability
Either those attacks are just that powerful (again, swords have a much thinner edge so they'd have a higher level of PSI, add superhuman strength/speed/etc into the mix, which makes them very effective), or it's just an inconsistency like guns being shown as harming characters they logically shouldn't (.50 calibers would be ineffective against ****ers who can tank city block busters, or guns can just be that ****ing powerful, like Metal Gear or Warhammer), ala guns harming Majin Buu, even Saiyan Saga characters can tank attacks that can mass scater the moon
See above "lower surface area and higher PSI" shite. And Sephiroth is considerably above Cloud, WoG saying Cloud only won due to PIS, he had no materia or whatever, compared to Sephiroth who had, pretty much every materia based ability. Hell, that cloud gathering feat in AC alone puts him well above materialess Cloud
Cloud did Omnislash Sephiroth's ass in FF7, AC he tried Omnislash regular but Seph stopped it easily enough
Well nothing in quantifiable terms I'll admit (depends on how you take some statement of Kadaj being above FF7 Seph from WoG, not that i'd personally advocate that myself but eh), same with how Freiza can planet bust and Cell is much more powerful, but it's hard to put exactly how much more powerful Cell is in quantifiable terms
Or Three Kings above Sensui and EoCB Yusuke, we know the former is much more powerful than the latter, hard to put into quantifiable terms
Or God Emperor is much more powerful than Angron, Lion El'Jonson, Ferrus Manus, etc, but it's hard to put into quantifiable terms how much more so
List goes on
Since I'm still too lazy to split:
That was an example, not referring to Frieza specifically. Or a better example, Frieza surviving a spirit bomb but easily getting chopped up by Krillin's destructo disc and his own Destructo-ripoff-disc. Basically put, their durability levels seem to shrink pretty fast with sharp objects. So we can toss that out for each of them. Characters can take a hit but not a stab. So going with the PSI thing, it's reasonably to say each of them can be stab/cut. Otherwise Sephiroth wouldn't have a reason to block and Dante woul- nvm he gets stabbed and shot just for one-liners.
I for one can't see why Sephiroth doesn't just take Cloud seriously for 5 seconds and end it 😐
Sephiroth basically learned well from that first encounter with that move... Which Omnislash actually didn't look quite as impressive on the movie compared to the game, not that the look matters.
I guess a Yu Yu Hakusho type of power level would make more sense if he is supposed to be stronger, like how an upper A class can apparently kill 500 lower A classes if you relate it like that for FF7 Seph vs AC Seph.
To answer why AC Seph is being mentioned: I believe it was established years back that as long as any movie/book is canon to whatever is an original game series, it's still included. Otherwise people like Master Chief would be lame to include in anything without any of his book feats. So since the original poster never really stated FF7 Seph, it can go up to AC Seph.
As for the measurements: FF7's main measurement comes from a whirlwind arena, which from my understanding, measurements come from real world physics. Where the main attraction seems to be the wind rather than the lightning within, so it can be debatable for lightning speed reactions for them too. Which basically come from measurements and the fact it's part of the game story to pass, correct? Which I remember, outside of cutscenes or other written canon stuff, or things that weren't actual mechanics or fight related usually got passed by, but either way...
DMC doesn't really get much stuff to measure up against since you're essentially given a character who just plays around with majority of the demons he's faced. Though he is given a weapon that states to give the user lightning speed (not control of lightning). Also an ability that cutscene wise, stops time. Gameplay wise, slows it incredibly makes it the easiest thing ever and states to give lightning speed also, but it's at the expense of getting better ranks in each mission. I don't think giving him literal lightning speed in the games would've let them be any challenge in terms of just completing them. Be kinda like the FF party moving at mach 100 the whole game unless frogs and wolves have this feat in their world too for them to keep up the entire time.
He's also fought a demon who basically traveled by lightning. You could really do the speed measurements the same for him to be able to keep up or just reaction speed alone for that fight, pretty sure that's been done in these forums before... Also part of game story to pass, so it's reasonable for him to have lightning speed reaction for that fight.
Taking all that into account, just disregarding the abilities demonic weapon is said to grant to whoever can conquer it wouldn't be any different than downplaying Sephiroth's abilities from author intent either. Yes they state he's more powerful, no Sephiroth never states that he is holding or held back against Cloud each time he loses. Thor's hammer not granting full abilites to whoever can hold it without them coming close to his strength. That is also a list that could go on for many items.
Also control of Alastor is above mach 15 and 100...
Then there's the battle with Mundus in his own arena dimension of space, Dante certainly has to be moving pretty fast in that, which most people is crediting as faster than light. Also considering those energy spikes Mundus was firing looked faster than the meteorites, going by the small cutscene rather than gameplay, which the meteorites themselves can vary from 25,000 mph to 160,000 mph.
That's all assuming they're not somehow enhanced by demon energy like almost everything else in that game.
Also we still kinda have not dealt with quicksilver or the bangle of time... Which, Alastor aside, does pretty much trump anyone with speed feats over him in base form. Usually items/gear like this for characters are excluded for good reasons in these threads.
Now I'll go disappear for another few months cause my laptop and internet hate me.