Originally posted by NemeBro
I can name lots of characters who would bully Dr. Manhattan.
And I can probably name just as many if not more.
No one from the HST deserves to be even mentioned in a vs. against DM though.
Originally posted by chasedown
oh yea def izanami would only work if hes able to set dr. into a loop...... likelyhood of it occuring very small but possible
Not to quote Sacred, but no, actually. Even IF he was able to affect DM with Izanami, which he isn't, because you can't loop the past and present of someone that experiences it all at once, but just for the sake of argument, EVEN IF HE WAS, there's no chance that he would be able to activate it before DM was able to vaporize him. Not only does it take charge time, but even if he could use it as his first attack right off the bat, DM would turn him into glass or just vaporize him before the synapses could fire in Itachi's head to activate the attack.
It's that simple. There is no argument here. 👆
Originally posted by Q99
Yes. I can think of fictional characters that can handle Dr. Manhattan, but it is not a long list, and Itachi is not on it.
Eh, I could name probably over a hundred off the top of my head. Yes though, no one from Naruto is on it.
Originally posted by Quincy
There's five pages of this. This is embarassing.
Right?
Originally posted by Lek Kuen
To be fair with the non linear time thing, it has no baring on a fight since he can't alter what he experiences in the future in the present. He always does what is supposed to happen.So just not really something worth bringing up in arguments. Since he can't like change battle plans or anything, he has no free will.
That's not what we're arguing here. Spergdown is saying that Izanami would work, which it obviously wouldn't, because it makes you experience your past and present in a never ending loop that you can only break by giving up, which in turn changes the loop and therefor breaks it. However, DM experiences his past, present and future all at once, meaning he can relive any of it that's happened as he chooses. You can't loop something that happens all at once.
Not to mention the fact that he could turn him into glass before Itachi managed to process the thought that activates the attack itself.
Originally posted by chasedown
im just saying i think an attack that forces one to find himself is definitely a viable option for itachi to use against a self conflicted person like dmits just that he probably wouldnt be able to get it off
There's no "probably" about it.
Itachi could not land the jutsu, and if for some reason DM let him, he could just become two people and erase the loop entirely. The end.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
There's no "probably" about it.Itachi could not land the jutsu, and if for some reason DM let him, he could just become two people and erase the loop entirely. The end.
if that was the case kabuto would have been able to get out of it as well since he can make clones.
Originally posted by chasedown
if that was the case kabuto would have been able to get out of it as well since he can make clones.
Shadow clones =/= Seperate people.
Manhattan can will himself to become two people, without having to use any handsigns, and just by thinking. If Kabuto could have made a clone, he would have broken it, as it would be breaking the loop. But he couldn't.
DM can.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Shadow clones =/= Seperate people.Manhattan can will himself to become two people, without having to use any handsigns, and just by thinking. If Kabuto could have made a clone, he would have broken it, as it would be breaking the loop. But he couldn't.
DM can.
itachi an expert on his own jutsu stated how to get out of the jutsu simply making a clone of yourself was not in that description.
Originally posted by chasedown
itachi an expert on his own jutsu stated how to get out of the jutsu simply making a clone of yourself was not in that description.
He said you have to manage to break the loop, which in most cases is only possible to do by changing your mindset. This is because you can't move your physical body at all.
DM though can. He could simply will a separate him to come out, and it would be out of Izanami, and could atomize Itachi. Then, and that's assuming it wouldn't break the loop in the first place(which it would), could still remove Itachi's energy from the original ones brain, and then the jutsu would be gone completely. Because in case you're forgetting, Genjutsu only works if you can insert your energy into your opponents mind. 👆
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
He said you have to manage to break the loop, which in most cases is only possible to do by changing your mindset. This is because you can't move your physical body at all.DM though can. He could simply will a separate him to come out, and it would be out of Izanami, and could atomize Itachi. Then, and that's assuming it wouldn't break the loop in the first place(which it would), could still remove Itachi's energy from the original ones brain, and then the jutsu would be gone completely. Because in case you're forgetting, Genjutsu only works if you can insert your energy into your opponents mind. 👆
name one genjutsu that was broken out of just by making a clone
Originally posted by chasedown
i already stated itachi would lose so idk what your talking about.
What I'm talking about is the ongoing idea that it can flawlessly submit foes who can insurmountably out-hax them.
This is hardly the first time it's been argued.
Edit: Hell, even the pointlessly endless 'vs. DBZ' scenarios exemplify this, so never mind out-haxing.
Originally posted by Sacred 117
What I'm talking about is the ongoing idea that it can flawlessly submit foes who can insurmountably out-hax them.This is hardly the first time it's been argued.
it has more to do with dr.manhattans character than his power dr. manhattan is a very emotionally damaged character who is always looking to find the meaning of his existence. izanami is a jutsu that forces the on inflicted to look inside his self. that is why i think it would be affective against him.... the only problem is itachi probably wouldnt be able to get it off because he would have to put manhattan in a loop first.
its not about wanking its just that some people cant think out side the box just because you are stronger than someone doesnt mean you auto matically win. ppl like shikamaru,batman,kurama, mayuri, urahara have proven this time and time again.
Originally posted by chasedown
it has more to do with dr.manhattans character than his power dr. manhattan is a very emotionally damaged character who is always looking to find the meaning of his existence. izanami is a jutsu that forces the on inflicted to look inside his self. that is why i think it would be affective against him.... the only problem is itachi probably wouldnt be able to get it off because he would have to put manhattan in a loop first.its not about wanking its just that some people cant think out side the box just because you are stronger than someone doesnt mean you auto matically win. ppl like shikamaru,batman,kurama, mayuri, urahara have proven this time and time again.
Manhattan's emotional issues were resolved. Moving on.
I know, and I don't really care right now. No one ever means to wank; it just happens.