Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalmIt was a flashback story. It was after some months later when Jean became phoenix as she explained it.
TBF, I am not using the creation energies for anything, I'm using combat feats. At that time AvX had retconned it but now its been retconned again just a few days ago.
😂
Read it again.
It happened two years ago from DP saga.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1645
Apparently you can't read properly.
Because if I recall correctly, when I told you that Jean's powers weren't inhibited in that comic, you responded with the Dark Phoenix saga.
Now you're pointing out that this story is set years before the DP saga.
Since, Xavier put the psychic blocks on Jean during the DP saga, how can you go about claiming that these blocks "shackled" her power 2 years before they were even put on her mind?
I mean, I am not even going to bother the original point about the story being non-canon, but why do you think that she was "shackled" in this scenario? Or are you taking her chain-bondage a bit too literally?😉
Anyways, apart from that please explain how exactly does it being a flashback somehow invalidate the incident itself? Or is there another implication in your words that I am missing here?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Its too hard for you to understand that there is no exception to CBR in rules.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Brevoort specifically said that this oneshot is in the same continuity as the other oneshots they had done. It follows a non canon story too.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Brevoort's words.
Originally posted by abhilegend
http://www.formspring.me/TomBrevoort/q/929089084Glad that's settled.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I can just ask Tom brevoort on this on his tumblr page.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Okay, what? Notwithstanding the fact that you're obviously confused here, what exactly are you trying to prove?Because if I recall correctly, when I told you that Jean's powers weren't inhibited in that comic, you responded with the Dark Phoenix saga.
Now you're pointing out that this story is set years before the DP saga.
Since, Xavier put the psychic blocks on Jean during the DP saga, how can you go about claiming that these blocks "shackled" her power 2 years before they were even put on her mind?
I mean, I am not even going to bother the original point about the story being non-canon, but why do you think that she was "shackled" in this scenario? Or are you taking her chain-bondage a bit too literally?😉
Anyways, apart from that please explain how exactly does it being a flashback somehow invalidate the incident itself? Or is there another implication in your words that I am missing here?
Speaking of the Attuma incident, there's no way Jean could have been at full power. Because during that story arc, she transformers her sister and herself back to air-breathers after they had their DNA messed with by the Atlanteans. She passed out from the effort.
Behold Rachel Summers Phoenix performing the SAME procedure (rebuilding someone from the DNA on up) on Sue and Scott after they had been transformed into hounds by Ahab :
She even mentions the Attuma incident involving her mother and aunt. Yet she didn't pass out from exhaustion. 😕
Originally posted by Epicurus
Okay, what? Notwithstanding the fact that you're obviously confused here, what exactly are you trying to prove?Because if I recall correctly, when I told you that Jean's powers weren't inhibited in that comic, you responded with the Dark Phoenix saga.
Now you're pointing out that this story is set years before the DP saga.
Since, Xavier put the psychic blocks on Jean during the DP saga, how can you go about claiming that these blocks "shackled" her power 2 years before they were even put on her mind?
I mean, I am not even going to bother the original point about the story being non-canon, but why do you think that she was "shackled" in this scenario? Or are you taking her chain-bondage a bit too literally?😉
Anyways, apart from that please explain how exactly does it being a flashback somehow invalidate the incident itself? Or is there another implication in your words that I am missing here?
You said this regarding the canonicity of Young Thor tanking the Destroyer armor's power in the Young Thor vs Wonder Woman(DCnU) thread:
And this in the Thor respect thread:
Is it too hard for you to understand that formspring and tumblr aren't exceptions either? Or is it too hard for you to pretend to not be such a transparent hypocrite at this point? If it's the latter, then it's really sad.🙁
Originally posted by zopzop
He was referring to this :
After the M'Krann incident Jean subconsciously set up psychic circuit breakers in her mind :Speaking of the Attuma incident, there's no way Jean could have been at full power. Because during that story arc, she transformers her sister and herself back to air-breathers after they had their DNA messed with by the Atlanteans. She passed out from the effort.
Behold Rachel Summers Phoenix performing the SAME procedure (rebuilding someone from the DNA on up) on Sue and Scott after they had been transformed into hounds by Ahab :
She even mentions the Attuma incident involving her mother and aunt. Yet she didn't pass out from exhaustion. 😕
And as far as Brevoort's words means, he's not giving an interview or clarifying something. He's saying that this book is non-canon and the editor's word on that is final.
Also a huge Lulz @ being banned and coming back and flaming again. Good luck with that.
Originally posted by zopzop
He was referring to this :
After the M'Krann incident Jean subconsciously set up psychic circuit breakers in her mind :
Originally posted by abhilegend
You seriously don't know about the psychic barriers Xavier put on Jean? Haha, oh god.
Anyways, it is unlikely that those circuit breakers could have lasted long, as Jean herself was able to override Xavier's more potent barriers when Scott "died", and when the DP was first unleashed from Mastermind's illusions, she stated that she had never been under his control, and nothing could control/restrain her and all that jazz.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Even ZopZop knows more than you. Shame on you.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And as far as Brevoort's words means, he's not giving an interview or clarifying something. He's saying that this book is non-canon and the editor's word on that is final.Also a huge Lulz @ being banned and coming back and flaming again. Good luck with that.
You're one to talk, considering the amount of flaming you have partaken in and your own temp bans.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Says the guy who thinks that Xavier's psychic barriers on Jean became operational 2 years prior to being put into place.😂Lol what? Brevoort is answering a question on formspring, which is essentially the same thing as an interview given on an internet forum. It smells like wine, it tastes like wine, it intoxicates like wine, but it's not wine. That's how silly your hypocrisy-laced logic is.
You're one to talk, considering the amount of flaming you have partaken in and your own temp bans.
Eh, its not about a fight or clarifying power levels. Next time read the rules first.
Comics released strictly online or on web sites will not be considered proof in the Comic Book Versus Forum.An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc.
He is not talking about the plot or anything. He is saying that its non canon, which is his right to confirm. But I like your different strawman arguments just to troll and flame me. You don't have any arguments here and neither did you in the last thread where you got banned for this exact thing. But why stop, right?
I've been banned sure, but not due to flaming anybody and essentially targeting a specific person across threads.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So your response is that since I mentioned a different psychic barrier, it wasn't there? And Xavier again installed the barriers after jean fought him in DP saga which she broke after seeing scott attacked at moon. Figures. Now would you accept you were blatant lowballing?Eh, its not about a fight or clarifying power levels. Next time read the rules first.
😂 at you of all people telling me to read rules. As if you even understand them, much less follow them.
Originally posted by abhilegend
He is not talking about the plot or anything. He is saying that its non canon, which is his right to confirm. But I like your different strawman arguments just to troll and flame me. You don't have any arguments here and neither did you in the last thread where you got banned for this exact thing. But why stop, right?I've been banned sure, but not due to flaming anybody and essentially targeting a specific person across threads.
Lol, that's like a child molester saying that he's been jailed, but for murdering anyone. Ban's a ban. You're no less of a troll than I am. Pretending otherwise would be futile and pointless.
Originally posted by EpicurusSo nothing of substance whatsoever. And more name calling, yay.
My response is you not even having the first clue what you're talking about when you mentioned the DP saga. Which is exactly the way it is; you being clueless in this scenario. I simply refuse to accept any lecture about lowballing from you, one of the biggest lowballers on this forum, lol.
😂 at you of all people telling me to read rules. As if you even understand them, much less follow them.Hahaha. Your entire post is "no, you".
He's answering a question which you used for refuting Young Thor's feats in the other thread.He says it is non canon. That's the final word unless you can present a scan which says its canon.
The board rule very clearly mentions a "random post made by a supposed writer on the message board". Guess what? Every single goddamned post on formspring is a random post. I mean what exactly do you even gain from pretending that formspring questions don't apply as online interviews which the forum rules apparently so strictly prohibit?Because the rule also says its about writers contradicting what's shown on panel.
Apart from proving that you're an obvious hypocrite?Waah, waah, waah. You are doing nothing here of value whatsoever.
Lol, that's like a child molester saying that he's been jailed, but for murdering anyone. Ban's a ban. You're no less of a troll than I am. Pretending otherwise would be futile and pointless.Reported. Have fun.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So nothing of substance whatsoever. And more name calling, yay.Hahaha. Your entire post is "no, you".
Originally posted by abhilegend
He says it is non canon. That's the final word unless you can present a scan which says its canon. Because the rule also says its about writers contradicting what's shown on panel. Waah, waah, waah. You are doing nothing here of value whatsoever.
Unless you have an actual on-panel verification of that series being non-canon, your words need to be taken with a grain of salt. Either that or you just accept that Pak's cbr interview applies as well as Brevoort's formspring trolling.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Reported. Have fun.
Originally posted by EpicurusSure thing bro.
Quite the irony overload if I ever saw one.😂
Sorry brother, but forum rules explicitly ban using interviews on message boards as evidence to support/refute feats. Especially from a guy who loves to troll on his formspring/tumblr accounts.Parroting the same thing doesn't changes much.
Unless you have an actual on-panel verification of that series being non-canon, your words need to be taken with a grain of salt. Either that or you just accept that Pak's cbr interview applies as well as Brevoort's formspring trolling.Pak never stated something about WWH being non canon. He was talking about fights which are prohibited here. But what does that discussion means here?
😆 What a crybaby.Sure thing bro. Just because I don't stoop to your level of flaming. But as I said have fun.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Parroting the same thing doesn't changes much.Pak never stated something about WWH being non canon. He was talking about fights which are prohibited here. But what does that discussion means here?
Sure thing bro. Just because I don't stoop to your level of flaming. But as I said have fun.
It doesn't matter what they were talking about. After all, interviews are non-admissible. Period.
Big fat lol at you claiming that you don't flame. I guess stars don't twinkle either. 🙄
Originally posted by zopzop
He was referring to this :
After the M'Krann incident Jean subconsciously set up psychic circuit breakers in her mind :
When Jean once again actively became the Phoenix(which includes the time period when Attuma captured her), it was implied that she had regained access to her godlike powers, which means those barriers were shut down.
The only time when psychic barriers were actually reactivated to restrain her Phoenix abilities was after she initial transformation into the Dark Phoenix.
Originally posted by zopzop
Speaking of the Attuma incident, there's no way Jean could have been at full power. Because during that story arc, she transformers her sister and herself back to air-breathers after they had their DNA messed with by the Atlanteans. She passed out from the effort.
Anyways, unless it was explicitly stated in the comic that her powers were restrained/reduced, it is speculation to claim that such was the case.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Neither does arbitrary hypocrisy.It doesn't matter what they were talking about. After all, interviews are non-admissible. Period.
Big fat lol at you claiming that you don't flame. I guess stars don't twinkle either. 🙄
Well, FWIW Fraction says the same thing here.
] IGN Comics: What we're hearing so far is that the series deals with the past, present, and future of Thor. Can you clarify what that means?Fraction: Yeah. It's really out-of-continuity, all about the cyclical, "the more things change the more they stay the same" nature of the Norse myths. Ragnarok happened, a few people survived and repopulated the world, and the whole cycle began again. We're looking at these same stories through different eras, with different looks and different experiences and different ways of looking at it that we've never seen before.
All of this actually predates Thor in a way. One of the stories is about an angry and petulant teenager, sort of a brutal Thor who is so disconnected from his humanity that Odin cursed him with a human life.
IGN Comics: You said the story is more or less out of continuity, but will the future portion play at all into what J. Michael Straczynski is doing in his Thor book?Fraction: No, no. These are evergreen stories that aren't reliant on any kind of continuity. They don't step on anyone's toes or anyone's plans or anything like that. Just Thor stories.
IGN Comics: Would you say this is a good starting point for someone that isn't too familiar with the Marvel Thor but might want to get into the comics?
Fraction: Yeah, I think so. I think it's a good taste of epic, mythological power in all its scope and scale. It's continuity-free and all that. These are the types of stories that have been told for thousands of years, you know?
And he included that in the comic too.
But of course you know better than the editor and the writer of the comic. Not to mention this comic contradicts the actual canon where Thor didn't have mjolnir in viking times.
http://i.imgur.com/3qtlWx4.jpg
That would contradict Young Thor meeting Apocalypse in viking times and having Jarnjborn as a weapon.
Nor was he ever turned into a human named Arkin Torsen around viking times.
http://i.imgur.com/MQPGbIO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KW7mV5D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vBNnZVk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ll5dgH2.jpg
And that's how we know that this whole story is non-canon. It has been stated by writer/editor and it contradicts too many canon facts to be canon.
Cry more.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope, I'm not talking about a fight or something.Well, FWIW Fraction says the same thing here.
And he included that in the comic too.
But of course you know better than the editor and the writer of the comic. Not to mention this comic contradicts the actual canon where Thor didn't have mjolnir in viking times.
http://i.imgur.com/3qtlWx4.jpg
That would contradict Young Thor meeting Apocalypse in viking times and having Jarnjborn as a weapon.
Nor was he ever turned into a human named Arkin Torsen around viking times.
http://i.imgur.com/MQPGbIO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KW7mV5D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vBNnZVk.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ll5dgH2.jpgAnd that's how we know that this whole story is non-canon. It has been stated by writer/editor and it contradicts too many canon facts to be canon.
Cry more.
Lol, how does it being part of a Ragnarok cycle somehow make it non-canon?
Going by that logic, Thor's encounter with Apocalypse can be dismissed as being AU/out-of-continuity since it contradicts certain details around the original Celestial storyline not to mention that Thor is portrayed as being unworthy of Mjolnir when that was not the case in the original storyline 30 years ago.
Again, a lot of reaching and awful logic coupled with ignoring your own stance on online interviews is the way you managed to reach such a conclusion.
Originally posted by Epicurus
So you attempt to prove that your citation of the formspring interview is valid...by citing another interview. Some strange logic right there.Lol, how does it being part of a Ragnarok cycle somehow make it non-canon?
Going by that logic, Thor's encounter with Apocalypse can be dismissed as being AU/out-of-continuity since it contradicts certain details around the original Celestial storyline not to mention that Thor is portrayed as being unworthy of Mjolnir when that was not the case in the original storyline 30 years ago.
Again, a lot of reaching and awful logic coupled with ignoring your own stance on online interviews is the way you managed to reach such a conclusion.
Yeah, its from a different incarnation of Thor.
Its canon since it was recalled by 616 Thor.
Present a single scan to prove your claim that its canon then.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I said FWIW, do you know what that means?Yeah, its from a different incarnation of Thor.
Its canon since it was recalled by 616 Thor.
Present a single scan to prove your claim that its canon then.
You do realize that the same could be said regarding Bor's death scene and the Serpent being locked away? Since that's apparently from a different ragnarok cycle.
Not by your logic.
I don't have to since I already support the idea of interviews from certain sites being admissible. You're the one who made an absolute statement:
Originally posted by abhilegend
Interviews are non-admissible. Period.
Originally posted by EpicurusStill using that nonsense as your go to hiding excuse? Don't worry, it'll pass.
Yes I do. And saying for what it's worth before citing another interview to "prove" that your previous interview is valid is still pretty dumb. But okay.
You do realize that the same could be said regarding Bor's death scene and the Serpent being locked away? Since that's apparently from a different ragnarok cycle.Who cares? They were recalled by Thor in canon 616 books. These trilogies weren't.
Not by your logic.Nope.
I don't have to since I already support the idea of interviews from certain sites being admissible. You're the one who made an absolute statement:So, you are clinging to that still?
So it's on you to back it up. Do you have what it takes, mein sohn?I proved it non canon by its own scans. Do you have it to stop trolling and do what needs to be done? I think not.
