Phoenix vs. Surtur

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In Galactus fight with T&A was it ever confirmed he was hungry? He could have been preparing himself eating extra planets to have sufficient reserves, the way he did with the Mad Celestials.

Originally posted by "Id"
In Galactus fight with T&A was it ever confirmed he was hungry?
The only time Galactus alluded to being hungry was in the wake of Surfer's battle with Ravenous:
http://imgur.com/ejLVR0r

The above scene took place on 'Annihilation Day, Plus 21':
http://imgur.com/bGbjF5z

However, Galactus didn't battle T&A until 'Annihilation Day, Plus 204':
http://imgur.com/tO2un0k

So unless we are to believe that a hungry Galactus went an additional 183 days without feeding, it's fairly obvious that he fed at some point between then and his battle with T&A. In fact, he likely fed multiple times.

While narrating the Annihilation #5-6 scene, Annihilation Saga seems to say that Galactus was depleted (and doesn't mention anything about absorbing the energies) after which he launched his attack; but yeah, given that he looked healthier afterwards, i think it's safe to say that he absorbed them.

^ The conjoining picture depicts Galactus just after he was released from his imprisonment in issue #5--when he still appeared visibly damaged/weak:
http://imgur.com/AVWKnrW
So I presume said narration is referring to the state of Galactus before we see him absorbing the containers and looking very healthy in issue #6. /shrug

Most likely, yeah. They still should have clarified that Galactus absorbed the energies, though. Seems strange how neither the comic nor that saga retelling mentioned (as in, actually state) such an important detail.

Yeah, while I'm sure most would agree that Galactus was absorbing energy from those containers, Marvel definitely should have clarified such via narration. It would have been nice to know exactly how much energy he gleaned from them.

Galan007... who you think is more powerful being, honestly, not too much thinking, too much going into feats, just straight up, you think is really considered as a more powerful being, Phoenix Force or Galactus?

well, i'm not sure about galan, but imo galactus can be as powerful as the pf depending on his level of satiation. imo, the pf would almost always defeat galactus though because while he is constantly LOSING energy, the pf doesn't. so even if he started at the highest level we've seen on panel, imo the pf could match or nearly match him then just outlast him. it is possible that galactus could absorb it, but we've already seen that to do so would be ooc for him. absorption is his trump card, and without it he's at a disadvantage imo.

the pf DOES have some lower end feats though, (although so does g if anyone wants to go the way of lowballing.....) so my opinion is pretty easily refuted. i'm going by a general sense of the pf as i believe it has been intended to be portrayed at most often. i think both are universal level characters and as such are on relatively equal planes.

Agreed

^ I would consider them in the same ballpark as well but as far as absorption goes, I think the force would prevail in that game of tug of war. Even when Galactus was tampering with the force he made the statement that the PF obliterates comos' contrasted to him only eating worlds in sort of a power acknowledging way.

We've seen Jean get the munchies and drain a sun as well as Giraud getting the munchies for an entire solar system. I would like to see a juiced up PF on that level vs a Galactus on the level like when he fed vs the mad Celestials. That would no doubt be something to see.

Originally posted by leonidas
well, i'm not sure about galan, but imo galactus can be as powerful as the pf depending on his level of satiation. imo, the pf would almost always defeat galactus though because while he is constantly LOSING energy, the pf doesn't. so even if he started at the highest level we've seen on panel, imo the pf could match or nearly match him then just outlast him. it is possible that galactus could absorb it, but we've already seen that to do so would be ooc for him. absorption is his trump card, and without it he's at a disadvantage imo.

the pf DOES have some lower end feats though, (although so does g if anyone wants to go the way of lowballing.....) so my opinion is pretty easily refuted. i'm going by a general sense of the pf as i believe it has been intended to be portrayed at most often. i think both are universal level characters and as such are on relatively equal planes.

Originally posted by Sundipped
^ I would consider them in the same ballpark as well but as far as absorption goes, I think the force would prevail in that game of tug of war. Even when Galactus was tampering with the force he made the statement that the PF obliterates comos' contrasted to him only eating worlds in sort of a power acknowledging way.

We've seen Jean get the munchies and drain a sun as well as Giraud getting the munchies for an entire solar system. I would like to see a juiced up PF on that level vs a Galactus on the level like when he fed vs the mad Celestials. That would no doubt be something to see.

Ok 🙂

Originally posted by Sundipped

Even when Galactus was tampering with the force he made the statement that the PF obliterates comos' contrasted to him only eating worlds in sort of a power acknowledging way.


Hey there Sunnyd, remember though friend, G's point was that the PF is a greater evil than himself,
and this was the reasoning behind him highlighting what he destroys to survive,
while the PF can destroy a universe. (he wouldn't do that since he helps protect cosmic consonance)
Originally posted by Sundipped

We've seen Jean get the munchies and drain a sun as well as Giraud getting the munchies for an entire solar system. I would like to see a juiced up PF on that level vs a Galactus on the level like when he fed vs the mad Celestials. That would no doubt be something to see.


When G needs to, he's displayed the capacity to absorbed pocket-realms. (a mini cosmos)
G absorbed Hyperstorm. (supposed infinite energy reserves)
G, unleashed hunger, was absorbing his universe and definitely the omniverse would follow. (616 future-self)

^ not only that, but he was going to absorb all of mephisto's realm as well, which has been described as endless....it's certainly a reality unto itself, regardless of which term you want to ascribe to it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hey there Sunnyd, remember though friend, G's point was that the PF is a greater evil than himself,
and this was the reasoning behind him highlighting what he destroys to survive,
while the PF can destroy a universe. (he wouldn't do that since he helps protect cosmic consonance)

When G needs to, he's displayed the capacity to absorbed pocket-realms. (a mini cosmos)
G absorbed Hyperstorm. (supposed infinite energy reserves)
G, unleashed hunger, was absorbing his universe and definitely the omniverse would follow. (616 future-self)

Yeah in a nutshell both have the same destructive capabilities. Nice to see him put the PF in those terms though. 😎

Being that the PF taps into a unlimited source, do you think if Big G were to try and absorb it's energies, he could possibly overload, or reach a point where he'd reach a limit like what happened with Necrom?

Originally posted by leonidas

^ not only that, but he was going to absorb all of mephisto's realm as well, which has been described as endless....it's certainly a reality unto itself, regardless of which term you want to ascribe to it.


👆 But it is a Pocket-Realm with "boundaries" ...


Originally posted by Sundipped

Being that the PF taps into a unlimited source, do you think if Big G were to try and absorb it's energies, he could possibly overload, or reach a point where he'd reach a limit like what happened with Necrom?


Big G for the win!

I will take PF over Big G good friend

So much about Galactus feeding on Hyperstorm (and his limitless energies 🙂) and still nowadays needs planets to feed himself. Shouldn't Hyperstorm be enough. So much about limitless energies.

Phoenix Force upper limits will always be beyond Galactus.

Originally posted by guy222
I will take PF over Big G good friend

Me to.

Originally posted by Xplosive
So much about Galactus feeding on Hyperstorm (and his limitless energies) and still nowadays needs planets to feed himself. Shouldn't Hyperstorm be enough. So much about limitless energies.

Luv dem spins/excuses when there's no way around the argument.

Obviously, they were making a point in the Hyperstorm story.

Marvel wasn't going to leave G attached to Hyperstorm,
cause then he becomes obsolete and pointless for other stories.

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Originally posted by Branlor Swift
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GS posted those on like page 1 😄

We've been debating the meaning since.