Phoenix vs. Surtur

Originally posted by Galan007
Glad we agree. 👆

Thus acting like all of his 'hungry' showings should be treated equally is idiotically foolish, and makes no canonical sense. 🙂

On panel he's described himself as : satiated, hungry, and starving. He's never stated "I'm 10% less hungry today than when I was when I faced off vs X". You're telling me there's degrees of the "hungry" state. Prove it.

Originally posted by zopzop
Prove they aren't.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes, Galactus operates at different levels depending on his hunger

And if you need me to prove that Galactus' power-level varies in accordance with his hunger-level, then you clearly do not possess even a basic working knowledge of the character, and as such, have no business discussing him in the first place. 👆

I am amazed at how hungry Big G is or not 😛. He was defeated. Oh well. Surtur isn't defeating the Force

Originally posted by zopzop

Yes, we're aware Galactus was hungry when she confronted him. Hungry, not starving, that happened later as the fight progressed.

G was hungry, that is all ... and got stomped for it.

Rachel on the other hand, (minus stipulations) still gets one-shot k.o'd by Thor.

Thor states, Rachel's power (Phoenix Force) is less than nothing to him.

I remember that

Originally posted by Galan007
... Do different people use your account, or are you just a schizo? 😕

Yes, Galactus operates at different levels depending on his hunger :
Full (when he took on Tyrant), Hungry (when he took on Mephisto, the PF, and TandA), Starving (when the Reed slingshotted Thing to KO him).

And if you need me to prove that Galactus' power-level varies in accordance with his hunger-level, then you clearly do not possess even a basic working knowledge of the character, and as such, have no business discussing him in the first place. 👆

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't remember a level of hunger being alluded to,
or a level of hunger that digressed as time passed.

G was hungry, that is all ... and got stomped for it.

Rachel on the other hand, (minus stipulations) still gets one-shot k.o'd by Thor.

Thor states, Rachel's power (Phoenix Force) is less than nothing to him.

Because Thor one shot Rachel, yet Rachel wtfstomped a hungry Galactus.

Unless I'm mistaken, the best Thor did vs a hungry Galactus was cause him to retreat and this was after he got through fighting Ego.

Originally posted by zopzop
Nice dodge (not really) but whatever. Galactus has only ever been depicted at three levels of hunger :
Full, Hungry, Starving. The times he went up against PF and TandA he was in the "hungry" state and about to feast on a world.

And on that note, I'm done here. You may have the last word if you must. 🙂

Originally posted by zopzop

So you're telling me Thor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hungry Galactus?

Originally posted by zopzop

Because Thor one shot Rachel, yet Rachel wtfstomped a hungry Galactus.

Originally posted by Mr Master
... not exactly my point good friend.

There's my point. Perhaps, and seemingly so imo, Galactus was more hungry that you're suggesting.

Galactus has a habit of making people aware of his current state of hunger.

He was hungry vs Rachel, vs TandA, vs Mephisto in his realm.

He was satiated vs Tyrant.

He was starving vs Keeper (alt reality), the time Reed slingshotted Thing into him, and more instances I'm probably not recalling.

Originally posted by zopzop

Mr. M, he stated he was hungry and that's it. As the fight progressed and Rachel manhandled him, he stated he was starving.

G simply reiterated his state of being undernourished and that That was the reason he was losing.

Rachel has been handled by Quasar too, while Quasar was multi-tasking simultaneously.
(mind you, it was specifically stated that Rachel contained the full Force)

Imo, based on the fact that Claremont told us via Rachel that she
wasn't capable of outputting enough energy to raze a solar system while battling Necrom.

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15831255_R_vs_N1.jpg]

On the other hand, Galactus let off a burst of energy and obliterated 3 solar systems.
(during Annihilaton, in which he was hungry heck even shackled by Annihulus)

So that said, during the Rachel encounter, imo Galactus was very hungry.

Originally posted by Mr Master
On the other hand, Galactus let off a burst of energy and obliterated 3 solar systems.

🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
Zop, but G never stated he was "starving" or that his hunger increased after scuffling with Rachel.

G simply reiterated his state of being undernourished and that That was the reason he was losing.

Rachel has been handled by Quasar too, while Quasar was multi-tasking simultaneously.
(mind you, it was specifically stated that Rachel contained the full Force)

Imo, based on the fact that Claremont told us via Rachel that she
wasn't capable of outputting enough energy to raze a solar system while battling Necrom.

[img=http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15831255_R_vs_N1.jpg]

On the other hand, Galactus let off a burst of energy and obliterated 3 solar systems.
(during Annihilaton, in which he was hungry heck even shackled by Annihulus)

So that said, during the Rachel encounter, imo Galactus was very hungry.

And Rachel was never the standard bearer for PF users. She held back most of the time and was generally incompetent with her power. Case in point, Mastermind achieved cosmic awareness while merely tapping into her power, but she never once displayed that ability.

Also right before that "Herald my Rage" blast, you can see Galactus consuming the Power Cosmic that Annihilus stored in the containers swirling about him.

Originally posted by zopzop

But he told her he was hungry, then at the end of the fight he said this :

"I am near death, depleted" aka starving.

If he reached a near-death state after that short struggle,
then it tells me undoubtedly he was very hungry to begin with.

Originally posted by zopzop

And Rachel was never the standard bearer for PF users. She held back most of the time and was generally incompetent with her power.

Originally posted by zopzop

Also right before that "Herald my Rage" blast, you can see Galactus consuming the Power Cosmic that Annihilus stored in the containers swirling about him.

Originally posted by Mr Master
You're right, he did waste the little bit of energy he had reserved.
Perfect, which then solidifies my point indirectly.

If he reached a near-death state after that short struggle,
then it tells me undoubtedly he was very hungry to begin with.

Cool, but Rachel's the one in the Galactus depiction.

Don't recall.

So even though he wasn't at 100%, hungry, and was weakened as hell afterward, he was still powerful enough to wipe a galaxy. So even a hungry Galactus is extremely powerful, yet he lost badly to the PF.

Originally posted by zopzop

That or the PF pushed him to his limit while he was hungry. He straight up acknowledged her power earlier too (Excalibur 25). When he said he consumes worlds but the PF consumes universes.

That aside, I think we know big G has proven to be able to consume much more than mere planets.

You yourself highlighted how he was consuming a pocket-universe like Meph's.
He seemingly drained Hyperstorm. (supposed infinite energies-probably not but way more than a world)
And big G's 616 future-self (15 years later exactly) was in the process of consuming that future,
plus as stated across 3 separate titles, also the omniverse would follow.

Originally posted by zopzop

All those canisters are filled with PC that Annihilus drained from worlds using Galactus.

Originally posted by zopzop

So even though he wasn't at 100%, hungry, and was weakened as hell afterward, he was still powerful enough to wipe a galaxy. So even a hungry Galactus is extremely powerful, yet he lost badly to the PF.

If indeed he's absorbing/re-energizing via all those canisters you say are filed with PC power,
then he's way more powerful in that moment than in the scenario with Rachel imo.

Originally posted by Mr Master
He said the PF can consume a universe. (but he was referring to His lesser evil of only consuming worlds)

That aside, I think we know big G has proven to be able to consume much more than mere planets.

You yourself highlighted how he was consuming a pocket-universe like Meph's.
He seemingly drained Hyperstorm. (supposed infinite energies-probably not but way more than a world)
And big G's 616 future-self (15 years later exactly) was in the process of consuming that future,
plus as stated across 3 separate titles, also the omniverse would follow.

And a universe contains many hundreds of pocket dimensions. So what the PF is capable of, according to Galactus himself, is more impressive than consuming a single pocket dimension.

Cool, you got that one. I still haven't re-read the relevant issues to remember that exactly,
but I'll take your word for it cause the canisters are seemingly flowing into him.
Although right now, I have no idea what's going on there except for what yur telling me.

Maybe other forum members can jump in here to confirm/deny but that's what those were : canisters filled with the PC.

I disagree.

If indeed he's absorbing/re-energizing via all those canisters you say are filed with PC power,
then he's way more powerful in that moment than in the scenario with Rachel imo.

Mr. M, have you seen the Old King Thor vs STARVING Galactus fight in the Ownage thread? Even an absolutely starving Galactus beat Old King Thor (who himself wasn't at 100% but I'm willing to bet he was still > normal non Odinforce Thor).

Originally posted by Galan007
Galactus/Thor:

So you're telling me the hungry Galactus that the PF beat is <<<<<<<<< the starving Galactus that beat Old King Thor?

During his fight with T&A, Galactus sustained heavy damage--his armor was devastated, and he was 'bleeding' cosmic energy:
http://imgur.com/6gkCCzF
http://imgur.com/YgVPx8h
http://imgur.com/dv3jVbd
http://imgur.com/cPqHbeD
http://imgur.com/OfsstQV

When Galactus was retrofitted with the tech Thanos devised to weaponize him, the 'bleeding' was stopped/siphoned into the machine, but his armor was still in a state of disarray:
http://imgur.com/ItS9fZx

Furthermore, it was outright stated that Galactus was starving whilst being used to Annihilus' whim, as he was only being fed "a trickle" of cosmic power--just enough to keep him alive:
http://imgur.com/Od79xHg

And all of the cosmic power from the planets he destroyed was being siphoned into the canisters:
http://imgur.com/Mcc94th
(Essentially those canisters contained the energies of numerous worlds.)

That being said, when Galactus first awoke from his imprisonment, he still looked like complete shit:
http://imgur.com/LidHShT

But when we next see Galactus, he looks very healthy(his armor and injuries are repaired), and the cosmic energy canisters are circling him:
http://imgur.com/KCtOu6j

He then goes on to unleash a galaxy-spanning wave of omnidirectional destruction:
http://imgur.com/RCxDXCG
http://imgur.com/2ja58qc
http://imgur.com/xCl8eEb

In a nutshell: given the overall magnitude/scope of the 'HMR' blast+Galactus' general appearance before and after we see the canisters encircling him, I think it's safe to assume that he was not only feeding on them, but that the energies within them were sufficient to replenish him--remember, cumulatively they contained the cosmic power of multiple planets, so Galactus being satiated from them shouldn't be out of the question, imo.

I find it that far more likely than believing that a less-than-well-nourished Galactus is responsible for preforming what is arguably his greatest on-panel display of power to date(ie. a galactic attack.) /shrug

Originally posted by zopzop

But wasn't he altered by the Black Celestial?

Originally posted by zopzop

And a universe contains many hundreds of pocket dimensions. So what the PF is capable of, according to Galactus himself, is more impressive than consuming a single pocket dimension.

A universe contains galaxies, stars, planets, gases and dust.

Pocket-realities are located outside their parent universe,
which is why you can't reach them via distance,
but rather via wormholes, vortexes, inter-dimensional space-rifts whathaveyou.

Originally posted by Galan007

In a nutshell: given the overall magnitude/scope of the 'HMR' blast+Galactus' general appearance before and after we see the canisters encircling him, I think it's safe to assume that he was not only feeding on them, but that the energies within them were sufficient to replenish him--remember, cumulatively they contained the cosmic power of multiple planets, so Galactus being satiated from them shouldn't be out of the question, imo.

I find it that far more likely than believing that a less-than-well-nourished Galactus is responsible for preforming what is arguably his greatest on-panel display of power to date(ie. a galactic attack.) /shrug