i concede nothing because like i already said, i don't know anything about Q.
answer the question tho:
Originally posted by marwash22
bestowing godlike power to a mortal is not evidence of omnipotence? The word of God, the literal word of God in this case, saying he's the creator is not evidence of omnipotence?
Originally posted by marwash22
i concede nothing because like i already said, i don't know anything about Q.answer the question tho:
Did God say he was omnipotent in Bruce Almighty? Because it only says that in the bible, which you said you were omitting. Also Morweh couldn't affect free will, so he's not omnipotent. Everything he did, Q can replicate.
no, he never said the exact words, "I am omnipotent". 🙄
he's says "I'm the one, creator of the heavens and the Earth, the alpha and omega, Bruce, I am God"
Also, he tells Bruce that he cannot tell people that he is God or use the power to change free will. MorganGod never said he himself could not do these things... as evidenced when he told both Bruce and Evan that he is God.
c'mon. i can't believe you're arguing this.
Originally posted by marwash22
no, he never said the exact words, "I am omnipotent". 🙄he's says "I'm the one, creator of the heavens and the Earth, the alpha and omega, Bruce, I am God"
Also, he tells Bruce that he cannot tell people that he is God or use the power to change free will. MorganGod never said he himself could not do these things... as evidenced when he told both Bruce and Evan that he is God.
c'mon. i can't believe you're arguing this.
Creator of an alternate dimension and a planet. Not outside of Q's power. And again, no mention of limitless omnipotent power.
And at the end when Bruce asked how to improve lives without affecting free will, God essentially said "if you figure out an answer, let me know", meaning he isn't omnipotent or omniscient.
You seem biased by the Holy Bibble (because only Bibble can keep it so real)
Originally posted by marwash22
no, he never said the exact words, "I am omnipotent". 🙄he's says "I'm the one, creator of the heavens and the Earth, the alpha and omega, Bruce, I am God"
Also, he tells Bruce that he cannot tell people that he is God or use the power to change free will. MorganGod never said he himself could not do these things... as evidenced when he told both Bruce and Evan that he is God.
c'mon. i can't believe you're arguing this.
Mouth won the thread with that. Screen feats. Good job, mouth 👆
Also you ST tourist, the Q can die. God > death.
Originally posted by Robtard
Mouth won the thread with that. Screen feats. Good job, mouth 👆Also you ST tourist, the Q can die. God > death.
What in that quote and what screenfeats does God have that are above Q? He just said the heavens and the Earth. That's just an alternate dimension (which Q can also make) and a planet (which Q can also make). Hell, you could interpret it as a Q visiting Earth posing as the Judeochristian God. A Q could replicate line for line word of word and do and show everything to Bruce than Morgan can. Again what screenfeats does he have that Q can't replicate.
What kills Q besides Q weaponry? And the Q have existed forever and can go before the Big Bang, so they too are the Alpha and the Omega unless their own interference
Also, if God can not will himself to die like Q can, that means he is not omnipotent. Paradox FTW.
Originally posted by Mindship
avatar for an infinitely unimaginable and unimaginable infinite being
you've just described Q right there.
Originally posted by Lestov16
What in that quote and what screenfeats does God have that are above Q? He just said the heavens and the Earth. That's just an alternate dimension (which Q can also make) and a planet (which Q can also make). Hell, you could interpret it as a Q visiting Earth posing as the Judeochristian God. A Q could replicate line for line word of word and do and show everything to Bruce than Morgan can. Again what screenfeats does he have that Q can't replicate.What kills Q besides Q weaponry? And the Q have existed forever and can go before the Big Bang, so they too are the Alpha and the Omega unless their own interference
That quote is God saying he's "The one above all, the beginning and the end". God existing before the universe, multiverse, any ****ing verse.
Incorrect. The Q where once like humanity (humanoids) and evolved into their state. IIRC, Quinn (a Q) tells us this.
But in their current existing state they are the Alpha and the Omega, because they can exist before the beginning and after the end. They can make universes of their own and exist before and after those, literally being TOAA and Alpha and Omega of those universes. What proves that God is more than at best a bi-universal (tri- if we're counting Hell) reality warper.
Originally posted by Lestov16
But in their current existing state they are the Alpha and the Omega, because they can exist before the beginning and after the end. They can make universes of their own and exist before and after those, literally being TOAA and Alpha and Omega of those universes. What proves that God is more than at best a bi-universal (tri- if we're counting Hell) reality warper.
They can die. That right there should let you know they're not truly omnipotent, and not "the Alpha and Omega". They also have a set IQ (it's not an infinite number)
It's also not completely clear that when a Q create things, if they're actually real or just highly complex illusions that appear real to lesser beings.
I love ST, but this is one of the silliest debates.
How does Heavens and Earth translate into Any Phucking Verse in the Multiverse? Heavens and Earth sounds like two universes at best (we won't count hell because it wasn't in the film). And whadya know? Only two universes were shown in the film.
Even in Genesis it says all of creation consists of ONLY the heavens and Earth, and during the 7 days part, he only describes making at most stars (we'll say galactic superclusters to be nice). ALL of objective reality according the the film (and the bible) consists of only two universes (3-4 if we're counting Heaven, Sheol (renamed Gehenna or Hell), Earth (the single objective physical universe), and Purgatory (even though I'm hesitant to count that since it's not in scripture). Obviously, if there's a multiverse there's more than 4 univeres, which is why, obviously, contemporary monotheistic religions are crocks of shit.
Too bad the people who wrote the bible we're scientifically illiterate desert primitives, but that's what they wrote, and that is what the filmmakers went by. Morgan is going by screenfeats at best a bi-universal reality warper. Biblical God is at best a tri-universal warper. A Q could make 3 universes (4 if we count purgatory) in his sleep.
Sorry, what you are suffering from is a blind case of religious bias (I'd never expect that from you Rob) because you are taking the scripture figuratively instead of literally, which is why most people are fooled by it. According to the script (of the film) God can only create two universes, and we saw those 2. According to the Bible all of reality consists of at best 3. The Q can create hundreds if they want. They're more powerful. They win here
/game
Also, the biblical universe (and thus the Bruce Almighty universe) is not the same as our objective reality, because in that universe, the Earth came before the stars, which is now how our Earth formed. So it really is just a fictional tri-dimension.
And again, if God can not will himself to die he's not omnipotent. And what in biblical scripture or the script implies he;s omniscient outside of his tri-dimension.
Funny, dude. Morgan Freemman saying: "I am the One, the creator..." clearly implies God is, well God.
From a fictional sense (what we're arguing here), scripture could be literal since it showed us God and God is God.
What biblical scriptures you ask? Witness.
Revelation 21:6 (ESV) - And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment.
Revelation 22:13 (ESV) - I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
Isaiah 41:4 (ESV) - Who has performed and done this,calling the generations from the beginning? I, the Lord, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Isaiah 43:10 (ESV) - “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed,nor shall there be any after me.
Fictional intrepretation of Abrahamic God > not omnipotent beings with a limited IQ. Game. Set. Match. Now stop being silly. Thanks.
Every single one of those passages has to be interpreted figuratively to pertain to our objective wavefunction-based reality. Because if we're going biblical:
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
They say that there's only the heavens (which the bible describes as another universe; we'll even include Sheol in there) and the Earth (the extent of which can at best be taken as galactic superclusters. That's 3 phucking universes. No more. Yes, he's the Alpha and the Omega OF THOSE 3 UNIVERSES. Where in the bible does it say infinite universes?
Basically, the Star Trek universe is closer to our universe than the biblical one is. The Star Trek verse is made up of infinite universes, which is closer in style to quantum physicists beliefs of our objective reality. And the Q can transverse any one of those universes, and make multiple universes of their own. Not to mention, their reality is closer to ours because in that universe, the Earth came after the stars unlike the Bible.
The Bible is a story about a tri-dimensional world, and in one of those worlds is matter and energy similar (but definitely not the same as ours), different physical laws and universal initial conditions, and a geocentric alternate history where Earth was created before the stars. That's all God rules over. That tri-dimensional fictional world. THE BIBLICAL TRI-UNIVERSE IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO OUR POSSIBLY-INFINITE MULTIVERSAL OBJECTIVE REALITY. Again, the Trek Verse is empirically larger and closer to our reality than the Biblical one. The ONLY way to think that the God of the bible can rule over an infinite multiverse like the Star Trek one is to take the script figuratively, which is what pulls you into it's trap and makes you think it's real.
It's clearly implying all creation, as there was nothing before God. So stop being silly; a fictional interpretation of Abrahamic God is still greater than all.
The Q are not truly omnipotent; just vastly powerful. Quinn the Q stated this and a Q's IQ is "2005", that's finite, which further supports that claim.