Q Continuum vs God

Originally posted by Lestov16
A story about Star Trek wouldn't exist in the Bruce Almighty universe, because that world is a completely different alternate history that doesn't even share our same physical initial conditions, less lone TV shows.

And couldn't the Q make a world where Bruce Almighty is a fictional movie? It would be closer to the example you're trying to make, since their multiverse has more similar physical laws to ours than the biblical (and thus Morgan Almighty) verse.

No, it's pretty much our own word, just fictionalized. It was also overall just a joke.

Just stop. A fictionalized God as God is supposed to be > all others.

So no actual written empirical evidence that God can control an infinite multiverse other than subjective opinion which has been altered since childhood by social tradition. According to the Bible, he can only create 3 universes. That is the extent of his power. In the movie he is depowered to 2. Stop thinking figuratively because it is a flawed way of analyzing religion.

Originally posted by Lestov16
So no actual written empirical evidence that God can control an infinite multiverse other than subjective opinion which has been altered since childhood by social tradition. According to the Bible, he can only create 3 universes. That is the extent of his power. In the movie he is depowered to 2. Stop thinking figuratively because it is a flawed way of analyzing religion.

No, according to the Bible God is the beginning and the end, the creator of all as I showed you with the bible verses you asked for.

When we fictionalize that as a power-set and as per the quote from Bruce Almighty, film God is unbeatable. This isn't about actual religion. So stop it already.

And the "all" that he created is a mere 3 universes, a tiny amount compared to what one Q, less lone the entire continuum can muster.

Film God is unbeatable because he created 2 universes? Bullshit. There are multiple fictional beings who could pull that off. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and any other character that can create universes (such as the Q) would annihilate him. Only reason you think that all means the "all" of our objective reality is subconscious clinging to social tradition.

Originally posted by Lestov16
And the "all" that he created is a mere 3 universes, a tiny amount compared to what one Q, less lone the entire continuum can muster.

Film God is unbeatable because he created 2 universes? Bullshit. There are multiple fictional beings who could pull that off. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and any other character that can create universes (such as the Q) would annihilate him. Only reason you think that all means the "all" of our objective reality is subconscious clinging to social tradition.

No, "all" would be everything that was, is and will be.

Stop with your "subconcious" nonsense. This isn't about actual religion, we're taking God as a fictional character/power-set as God works in a Movie Vs match.

The Beyonder would not be above Morgan-God. Morgan-God would be above the One-Above-All, or a different aspect of the same being, depending on how you see the One-Above-All.

And that " everything that was, is and will be", according to Genesis, which is the groundwork of the universe of the bible, only consist of 3 universes. You trying to apply it to the possible infinite objective omniverse is nothing but your own subjective interpretation and not what is actually written.

Well, if we're talking God as a fictional character, we only saw him create 2 universes. What suggests he has control over an infinite multiverse other than your opinion?

Again, what would make Morgan God above TOAA considering Morgan only created 2 universes, whereas TOAA created an infinite multiverse, other than your subjective opinion that is not supported by what is actually written and only supported by your figurative interpretation?

Originally posted by Lestov16
Q was obviously limiting himself, as he does all the time. Also changing the gravitational constant is better than anything Morgan or Bruce did.

And this post cuts to the chase. God created the universe by messing with the four fundamental forces. Q can do the same thing so they are equal in "omnipotence".

But here is where Q wins/loses: I believe Q's statement about changing the gravitational constant was ONLY a locally contained statement. Meaning, gravity would only change directly around that giant asteroid/comet rather than the entire universe else Q would inadvertently destroy the entire universe...which I do not think that was the point of his statement.

Depending upon your perspective, that means Q cannot affect things on a universal scale OR Q's powers are the same as God's but can be focused on a very tiny fraction of the universe (meaning, he can be far more precise). So it really does depend on your perspective of how far you think Q's powers can reach. If Q cannot affect things on a truly universal scale (meaning, we cannot commit a "no-limits fallacy"😉, then he is outclassed by God in omnipotence.

Originally posted by Lestov16
And that " everything that was, is and will be", according to Genesis, which is the groundwork of the universe of the bible, only consist of 3 universes. You trying to apply it to the possible infinite objective omniverse is nothing but your own subjective interpretation and not what is actually written.

Well, if we're talking God as a fictional character, we only saw him create 2 universes. What suggests he has control over an infinite multiverse other than your opinion?

Again, what would make Morgan God above TOAA considering Morgan only created 2 universes, whereas TOAA created an infinite multiverse, other than your subjective opinion that is not supported by what is actually written and only supported by your figurative interpretation?

You've now thoroughly disgusted me. Good job!

Originally posted by dadudemon
And this post cuts to the chase. God created the universe by messing with the four fundamental forces. Q can do the same thing so they are equal in "omnipotence".

But here is where Q wins/loses: I believe Q's statement about changing the gravitational constant was ONLY a locally contained statement. Meaning, gravity would only change directly around that giant asteroid/comet rather than the entire universe else Q would inadvertently destroy the entire universe...which I do not think that was the point of his statement.

Depending upon your perspective, that means Q cannot affect things on a universal scale OR Q's powers are the same as God's but can be focused on a very tiny fraction of the universe (meaning, he can be far more precise). So it really does depend on your perspective of how far you think Q's powers can reach. If Q cannot affect things on a truly universal scale (meaning, we cannot commit a "no-limits fallacy"😉, then he is outclassed by God in omnipotence.

You're either omnipotent or you're not. Quinn (the Q) said the Q were not really omnipotent.

Add that the Q can die, can be stripped of powers and have a finite IQ; seems Quinn ws correct about his own species.

No, you're wrong. He's only a being who can create at best 3 universes. You thinking he can extend that power over an infinite multiverse is nothing but your subjective interpretation, not actual scripture.

Completely rid yourself of the evil of religion, Rob. It infects and confuses those who do not fight it with enough strength.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're either omnipotent or you're not. Quinn (the Q) said the Q were not really omnipotent.

Add that the Q can die, can be stripped of powers and have a finite IQ; seems Quinn ws correct about his own species.

Well, I'll be glad for you to bring me the biblical quote where God says he has power over anything other than his fictional tri-verse that is in no way an infinite multiverse. Hell, find me the biblical verse where he says he is absolutely omnipotent, and not just a reality warping universe creator that can be easily outclassed by many other fictional beings. And unlimited power over 3 universes is something the Q can replicate....by easily creating 3 universes. Difference between God and Q. Q can create even more.

Only Q can hurt Q. And if God is unable to will himself to die, he's not omnipotent. As far as having a finite IQ:

BRUCE
How do you make someone love you
when you can't effect free will?
GOD
Welcome to my world, son. You come
up with an answer to that one, you
let me know.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The idea that IQ has no cap begs for some evidence.

A being with infinite intelligence would be an infinite number of standard deviations away from the population average: infinite IQ. However, such a being would also alter the scale to make all scores useless because that's how the "Intelligence Quotient" works. lol

Soooo....I have no idea where the **** I was going with that. Real statisticians would throw out such a horribly skewy number, of course, so it would not truly mess with the population average for the purposes of creating a legitimate measuring system (such as the S&B 5).

Originally posted by Lestov16

So Morgan God clearly isn't omniscient or omnipotent.

A self imposed handicap; he was joking with Bruce.

Originally posted by Robtard
A self imposed handicap.

A strong and central tenet of Mormon beliefs...

Robtard...you Mormon, you. So when are we going to make smores and sing hymnals around a campfire?

Proof of that besides your interpretation?

God being the infinite being.

Because he said in the film he was the "infinite being", right? And he showed control over an infinite multiverse instead of a single one where he couldn't even affect free will, even though it would be a (for a being of his supposed power) simple matter of rearranging electrons, right?

Originally posted by dadudemon
And this post cuts to the chase. God created the universe by messing with the four fundamental forces. Q can do the same thing so they are equal in "omnipotence".

But here is where Q wins/loses: I believe Q's statement about changing the gravitational constant was ONLY a locally contained statement. Meaning, gravity would only change directly around that giant asteroid/comet rather than the entire universe else Q would inadvertently destroy the entire universe...which I do not think that was the point of his statement.

Depending upon your perspective, that means Q cannot affect things on a universal scale OR Q's powers are the same as God's but can be focused on a very tiny fraction of the universe (meaning, he can be far more precise). So it really does depend on your perspective of how far you think Q's powers can reach. If Q cannot affect things on a truly universal scale (meaning, we cannot commit a "no-limits fallacy"😉, then he is outclassed by God in omnipotence.

It definitely seems more logical that it was just a precise localized use of his powers, rather than a limit. Even Bruce couldn't do this because when he moved the moon he caused floods.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Because he said in the film he was the "infinite being", right?

And he showed control over an infinite multiverse instead of a single deterministic one, right?

Morgan-God in fact did say so using different words. We went over this already.

That wasn't what the movie was about, it focused on God and Bruce. The Q never showed us they can eat vanilla ice-cream will sitting on a pinecone, are we then to believe they can't? No.

Originally posted by Lestov16
It definitely seems more logical that it was just a precise localized use of his powers, rather than a limit. Even Bruce couldn't do this because when he moved the moon he caused floods.

Bruce's powers were limited (in comparison) and he lacked the knowledge and foresight in using them(the lesson in the film). Morgan-God also easily did away with all of Bruce's ****ups.