No boom at all. Your argument is still: "Morgan-god didn't specifically claim he was omnipotent so he's not."
Morgan did so in a round about way with that quote and the Q are definitely not truly omnipotent.
So it's 'In All Likelihood Omnipotent’ Vs ‘Vastly Powerful Not Omnipotent'. The former clearly is the logical bet. So stop being silly.
Originally posted by Robtard
It's clearly implying all creation, as there was nothing before God. So stop being silly; a fictional interpretation of Abrahamic God is still greater than all.The Q are not truly omnipotent; just vastly powerful. Quinn the Q stated this and a Q's IQ is "2005", that's finite, which further supports that claim.
The idea that IQ has no cap begs for some evidence.
In any case, Morgweh's power is an inferred ability here, with himself and the book he had written as the sole evidence. In measurable power, Q has done a lot more and there are certainly more of them.
Originally posted by Robtard
No boom at all. Your argument is still: "Morgan-god didn't specifically claim he was omnipotent so he's not."Morgan did so in a round about way with that quote and the Q are definitely not truly omnipotent.
So it's 'In All Likelihood Omnipotent’ Vs ‘Vastly Powerful Not Omnipotent'. The former clearly is the logical bet. So stop being silly.
That's not my argument at all. My argument is that MorganGod only showed omnipotence over 2 universes, and Q are way more powerful than that
Originally posted by Lestov16
The Q have dominion over a larger multiverse, and thus have more power than God. Yahweh only controls 3 universes. Q can create way more than that. The Q whip Morgan like Gene Hackman.
It is actually unknown on both counts.
The Q literally have limits within their sphere of influence, Robtard was not wrong on that count, so it is nigh omnipotence. The fact that they can die, even within their own continuum should be proof enough of this, but not only this, they can be stripped of their powers by beings of equivelant power.
However, interpretations of Morgan God (AKA Yaweh id you will) are based on interpretations of scriptures thousands of years old, before it was scientifically proven that the world was not indeed flat and the world was not the sole planet in all existence. If you are going to go by literal interpretation you would be very sorely mistaken.
I am not religious myself, but even I know how to interpret ancient points of view in relation to todays knowledge, especially in a figurative sense.
Originally posted by Lestov16
The Q have dominion over a larger multiverse, and thus have more power than God. Yahweh only controls 3 universes. Q can create way more than that.The Q whip Morgan like Gene Hackman.
Yet they don't, they're less powerful in their own realm than Morgan-god is in his. They're not omnipotent.
Unforgiven?
Originally posted by Robtard
Yet they don't, they're less powerful in their own realm than Morgan-god is in his. They're not omnipotent.Unforgiven?
I doubt they lack absolute omnipotence over the worlds they create, which is a greater number than Morweh was capable of
Great flick. Deserved the Oscars.
Originally posted by Lestov16
I doubt they lack absolute omnipotence over the worlds they create, which is a greater number than Morweh was capable ofGreat flick. Deserved the Oscars.
They're not omnipotent, dude. You're acting as if they could create an entire universe (planets, stars, galaxies etc) of the likes Morgan-God did out of nothingness(which is what we get in we take God as a fictional character), add to it that the realities we see them create may possibly not be real.
Yeah, I liked it. Might be my 2nd favorite western.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It is actually unknown on both counts.The Q literally have limits within their sphere of influence, Robtard was not wrong on that count, so it is nigh omnipotence. The fact that they can die, even within their own continuum should be proof enough of this, but not only this, they can be stripped of their powers by beings of equivelant power.
So only a Q can hurt a Q. And so what there were no other tri-versal gods in the bible? The Q are beyond tri-versal
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
However, interpretations of Morgan God (AKA Yaweh id you will) are based on interpretations of scriptures thousands of years old, [b]before it was scientifically proven that the world was not indeed flat and the world was not the sole planet in all existence. If you are going to go by literal interpretation you would be very sorely mistaken.[/b]
Exactly. You can't go by the literal interpretation because it is ridiculous because obviously most religions are glorified mythologies, which in turned are nothing more than obsolete geocentric universal cosmologies. Thus the only way you can interpret it is as a fictional story, and according to that story Yahweh could only create 3 universes and had omnipotence over them, and the Q can do the exact same.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I am not religious myself, but even I know how to interpret ancient points of view in relation to todays knowledge, especially in a figurative sense.
Exactly. Nowadays we have to apply figurative interpretation, but when the ink originally hit the papyrus, they meant every single word as literal objective fact, and that's the only proper way to interpret it, because to interpret it differently as if it objectively applies to our possible multiverse, even though it gets it wrong on the first page by listing a different set of initial conditions than those objectively known of our reality, thereby IMMEDIATELY rendering nothing more than a work of fiction limited only to what was exactly written and not our own subjective opinion, is to be cheating and a horrific form of self delusion.
Originally posted by Robtard
They're not omnipotent, dude. You're acting as if they could create an entire universe (planets, stars, galaxies etc) of the likes Morgan-God did out of nothingness(which is what we get in we take God as a fictional character), add to it that the realities we see them create may possibly not be real.Yeah, I liked it. Might be my 2nd favorite western.
What suggests they aren't real? And again, what implies a tri-versal being can take on beings who can have control over the infinite Star Trek multiverse. Near omnipotence over an infinite multiverse and ability to create more than 3 universes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>being who has total omnipotence over a mere 3 universes only
My all time favorite is Shane.
Imho...
The Q know they are godlike to lesser beings. But I never got the impression they saw themselves as gods in the absolute sense. For all their power and machinations, I got the impression that "existence" (as Q said to Picard in the last episode) was still acknowledged as the greater, more wondrous entity, truly unconditionally infinite, in which the Q moved and did their business with universes and such.
Morgan Freeman was yet another portrayal of what is regarded as God in the absolute sense, not only the Creator of all existence but Existence Itself (this is especially clear in the perennial philosophy, which includes the Bible). One and the same: the unseen Dreamer behind the scenes, and the Dream itself, including the Q, the Organians, and every other godlike being that's popped up in the Trek multiverse.
In relation to such a Source/Ground of Being, I could see Q as a high-order archetypal entity or demiurge. Again, truly godlike as compared to beings like us, so closely bound to matter. But I do not consider them the Absolute.
*pontification sequence terminated*
I disagree. He was shown to be the creator a mere 3 universes. The Q could do the same thing and call themselves the Gods of those worlds. The ST multiverse is way larger than the biblical tri-verse. The only thing that suggests different is inferred interpretations that do not correspond with what is actually written in the scripture.
A story about Star Trek wouldn't exist in the Bruce Almighty universe, because that world is a completely different alternate history that doesn't even share our same physical initial conditions, less lone TV shows.
And couldn't the Q make a world where Bruce Almighty is a fictional movie? It would be closer to the example you're trying to make, since their multiverse has more similar physical laws to ours than the biblical (and thus Morgan Almighty) verse.