Originally posted by Epicurus
When Q created an alternate universe just to teach Piccard the value of leadership skills. When Amanda Rogers whisked away Riker and herself to realm created by her complete with stars, galaxies, and an Earth-like planet all to themselves. When Q created an afterlife like dimension and pretended to be God to mess around with Piccard.But do go ahead and deny all these feats as illusions, didn't happen, or somehow being lesser in scope as compared to Yahweh's (never performed onscreen) 'omnipotent' feats.
They are ALL far less in scope than what Yahweh's created. You can't conflate marvel with TNG... Going back in time or changing timelines doesn't mean you created an alternate universe. Not how it works in the TNG.. Sorry but he never created a universe in any episode nor did Amanda. Have a few planets and stars and a earth like planet ISN'T a WHOLE UNIVERSE.. The term entire or whole universe was NEVER used.. like EVER. So I'm still waiting for him creating anything like that.
Further, The Q didn't even know about Amanda's parents on earth for HOW LONG? Being all powerful and you claiming God's equal.. Surely.. that shouldn't have been beyond their power... yet it was apparently.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
They are ALL far less in scope than what Yahweh's created. You can't conflate marvel with TNG... Going back in time or changing timelines doesn't mean you created an alternate universe. Not how it works in the TNG.. Sorry but he never created a universe in any episode nor did Amanda. Have a few planets and stars and a earth like planet ISN'T a WHOLE UNIVERSE.. The term entire or whole universe was NEVER used.. like EVER. So I'm still waiting for him creating anything like that.Further, The Q didn't even know about Amanda's parents on earth for HOW LONG? Being all powerful and you claiming God's equal.. Surely.. that shouldn't have been beyond their power... yet it was apparently.
Because her parents were able to shield their presence from them. And you can't judge how long the Q were unable to figure out where her parents had hidden, because time doesn't flow linearly on the Q Continuum
Don't pull a quan on me and shift the burden to me... YOU need to prove that is how it works in the StarTrek verse. That isn't up to me to prove YOU need to prove that. We know that is how it works in marvel for example because we have comics backing that up. Post the proof that is also how it works in StarTrek
Further, not only do we not know it was just an illusion.. ALL of the examples you said.. but more importantly... there is literally NOTHING that suggest it was as vast as the universe God created. All they showed were some stars and planet etc.. that is LITERALLY all they showed. YOU need to prove it was as big as what we know as our universe. Even if it was said to be a Galaxy.. that is a drop in the bucket to what we know about the universe we live in. Stop trying to shift your proof to me... You made the claim that it was just as big and as expansive as ours... PROVE IT
Just the fact that they were able to be shielded so easily in the first place doesn't make them look good to begin with. If they are as powerful as you claim... this should've be NO issue for them.. yet it was. To say nothing of all the times Q was tricked and beaten by Picard. You can say ohhh he let that happen but there is no proof of that either. He seemed to be trying to win and accomplish his goal and failed each and every time. Call that what you will but that isn't a good track record.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
D You made the claim that it was just as big and as expansive as ours
The biblical universe, and the Bruce Almighty universe, is not our objective reality and also are subject to those same questions. It was especially hilarious you mentioned "some stars and a planet", when that is literally the extent we are told of the biblical universe. Get back to me when you separate reality from fiction.
Also, why wouldn't the Star Trek universe, which also started with the Big Bang, not have a similar size than our own universe on which it is modeled? You want a screenfeat in which they give a precise size to the universe that is identical of our own? If you get me one from the Bible or Bruce Almighty, I'll gladly oblige you.
Originally posted by Lestov16
The biblical universe, and the Bruce Almighty universe, is not our objective reality and also are subject to those same questions. It was especially hilarious you mentioned "some stars and a planet", when that is literally the extent we are told of the biblical universe. Get back to me when you separate reality from fiction.Also, why wouldn't the Star Trek universe, which also started with the Big Bang, not have a similar size than our own universe on which it is modeled? You want a screenfeat in which they give a precise size to the universe that is identical of our own? If you get me one from the Bible or Bruce Almighty, I'll gladly oblige you.
No what I'm saying is this.. in EITHER the biblical universe or bruce almighty BOTH are representative of what we KNOW as the universe. Neither were pretending to be anything but our current universe. Thus we know mostly how big that really is... ON THE OTHER HAND... We have literally NO idea how big the "galaxy" or planet with some starts around it that Amanda made. That is the key difference and I'm not sure how this isn't plainly obvious. I didn't make the claim that the stuff Amanda made was as big as what we know the current universe is... YOU or Epi made that claim that it's up TO YOU to prove it was that big. Never mind the fact that it could've very well been an illusion. Now, I'll await you proving your case.
Originally posted by marwash22
Lestov, still waiting on those proofs, bud.
I have to rewatch some trek. Give me a moment. They have
clearly created their own worlds but since you want to lowball them even though it is clearly not outside of their extradimensional powerset, I will try you an exact quote. BTW, I'll be waiting on proof and your definition and description of the composition of these "illusions".
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Don't pull a quan on me and shift the burden to me... YOU need to prove that is how it works in the StarTrek verse. That isn't up to me to prove YOU need to prove that. We know that is how it works in marvel for example because we have comics backing that up. Post the proof that is also how it works in StarTrekFurther, not only do we not know it was just an illusion.. ALL of the examples you said.. but more importantly... there is literally NOTHING that suggest it was as vast as the universe God created. All they showed were some stars and planet etc.. that is LITERALLY all they showed. YOU need to prove it was as big as what we know as our universe. Even if it was said to be a Galaxy.. that is a drop in the bucket to what we know about the universe we live in. Stop trying to shift your proof to me... You made the claim that it was just as big and as expansive as ours... PROVE IT
Just the fact that they were able to be shielded so easily in the first place doesn't make them look good to begin with. If they are as powerful as you claim... this should've be NO issue for them.. yet it was. To say nothing of all the times Q was tricked and beaten by Picard. You can say ohhh he let that happen but there is no proof of that either. He seemed to be trying to win and accomplish his goal and failed each and every time. Call that what you will but that isn't a good track record.
Lol, the same illusion crap which ddm pulled off, which robtard trollishly failed to emulate and which you're now ranting on about since you can't accept the scope of the Q's feats. How many times do I have to debunk this sh1t before you people cease with this horrid lowballing?
Who says it was easy-peasy? Especially considering the Q ultimately destroyed them. How the f*ck does it not bode well for them? Last I recalled God never had to hide from a race off beings that are his peers, so that's pretty bullsh1tty point to bring up here, in a thread which has already been polluted with enough biblical bullsh1t. Lol, what do Q's interactions with Piccard where he tries to get a rise out of him have to do with anything? I thought that anti-time episode made it clear that Q's actions were actually geared towards guiding humanity on its path of growth and all that jazz. Not to mention that Q humbled Pic when he flung them into the maw of the first Borg they had contact with.
I mean this is the mother of all lowballs here. Especially coming from the side which is supporting a guy who causes global floods for no damn good reason, and stupidly gives his powers to an immature, whiny little f*ck and then pretends as if the blame lies solely on that whiny little f*ck's shoulders for the chaos that follows.
Originally posted by Robtard
Both KuRupt and Mouth will be waiting a long time.
I wonder who that reminds me of. mmm
Originally posted by Lestov16
Wrong answer, as geocentric initial conditions make it as alien to our universe as the GoTverse. Read the Bible sometimes.
You LITERALLY have no idea what you're talking about. Post the proof that the universe she created was of the same size as what we know as the universe.