Marvel exec criticizes Man of Steel

I enjoyed Man of Steel but at the same time I was incredibly disappointed based on what I was expecting. And based on the huge opening week and the immediate drop off, most people probably felt the same way.

I think it could have been a great movie, but it ended up being Pacific Rim with capes. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but I don't think that was their goal.

It was TERRIBLE as a Superman movie, the script was pretty crap from what I can tell, some of the dialogue was eh, and I can't even tell whether or not Cavill is any good as an actor because the script gave him so little to work with.

On the bright side, Faora was awesome. I give the movie a 7/10 if I pretend I know nothing about Superman, and 4-6/10 based on what I do know.

It tries to aspire to be something great but falls flat and kind of becomes a block buster spectacle. And it's not very good at that because of how....joyless it feels. The Avengers may not have had action as epic or as flashy but I liked it a lot more because it felt fun.

I think this movie would have been much better received if it went for a lighter tone in my honest opinion. Also, they REALLY need to work on the pacing. It goes from a crawl to a sprint extremely fast and that sprint lasts for so long, it loses it's impact and gets somewhat boring.

Whatever, it made a profit, but it wasn't what WB was hoping for from what I can tell. Personally, I think this movie could have easily made 800 mil or more if it was good and released during a better period.

This sucks my two most anticipated movies of last year (Man of Murder, and The Comedy World) were pretty big disappointments. 🙁

Now I'm going to go watch Pacific Rim. Despite all it's flaws, that's a movie I can enjoy and leave wanting more.

Originally posted by ares834
Your point?

Well, you're entitled to your opinion.
It just seems you're hard to please.

Hell no, **** a lighter tone, i like that DC has a more gritty setting, variety in superhero movies is good thing imo.
In Avengers they make a big deal about the invasion but the apocalyptic scenerio never really shows.

Yeah....gritty makes everything better 🙄

not everything needs to be just that.

Rule #1, gritty all the time.

Rule #2, grit everywhere. Everywhere, on the walls, on the ceiling, on the f*cking sofa.

Rule #3, gritty lunch.

Originally posted by TH3_V01D
Hell no, **** a lighter tone, i like that DC has a more gritty setting, variety in superhero movies is good thing imo.
In Avengers they make a big deal about the invasion but the apocalyptic scenerio never really shows.

MoS didn't pull it off well. It's not the soaring operatic darkness one gets from the Warhammer 40,000 universe or the cerebral, religious darkness of Evangelion, nor is it the fantastic existential darkness of Berserk.

It's just... Empty. It's the same feeling you get when you look into an empty room with gray walls and dim lighting. And hey man that could be fine, the same feeling of emptiness works very well for settings like Fallout. But Man of Steel tries to juxtapose it with the same over the top comic silliness that has been in superhero movies before, a contrast which is jarring.

But even that is not a deal-breaker. The main thing that caused Man of Steel to come tumbling down was the characters. Man of Steel had two kinds of characters, for the most part (Jor-El might be an exception): Edgy sci-fi characters like Zod or Faora, or plain boring and inhuman characters like Lois and Clark. If your characters are human and believable then even the most fantastic setting feels real, keeping the viewer under the willing suspension of disbelief. Man of Steel's characters are much like its tone: Empty, devoid of any substance.

It wasn't the worst movie I've ever seen, but it might be the single most disappointing.

Originally posted by TH3_V01D

I blame Whedon, you can give the guy all the budget of the world and his direction still has this cheap direct to tv look.

Have you seen Whedon's directorial debut Serenity? That's a perfect example of Whedon taking a low budget movie and making it epic, amazing and feel like a big budget movie.

I agree that the direction of Avengers was a little choppy. Avengers was only his second film as a director, and it was his first big budget blockbuster.

The fights between characters weren't supposed to be epic, dramatic battles though. They were supposed to be petty, childish quibbles between egomaniac superheroes. That last battle was supposed to be epic, and that it was.

Originally posted by NemeBro

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Exactly my opinion.

Nolan did grit l gritty right. Snyder tried to imitate him, and IMO failed, miserably.

And also it doesn't work with "everything", Seriously would people want it for something like the F4.

Originally posted by Kazenji
And also it doesn't work with "everything", Seriously would people want it for something like the F4.

I think Fox is actually doing that. They're gonna make a gritty F4 origin story 😕 idk

Knowing Fox....they would try something like that.

I didn't think MOS was very good, but it was entertaining enough that I would watch it again if it came on the tv.

My biggest issue with the film was Zod continuously getting his ass kicked. He was a trained military leader, but yet got slapped around by a scientist and a guy that's never thrown a punch in his life. Wow, what a menacing villain.

Another issue was Russell Crowe being in half the movie although he's supposed to be dead. Whats the point?

Actually, theres a lot of issues with the movie now that I think about it.

Originally posted by tkitna
I didn't think MOS was very good, but it was entertaining enough that I would watch it again if it came on the tv.

These are essentially my thoughts on it as well. The script sucked major ass (as I noted in an earlier post, the entire plot of the film doesn't make any sense) and the characters (spefically Lois Lane) were rather bland, but I will not deny that this film had IMO the best superhero action of any comic book film. The film gets very entertaining when Zod rolls in, but before that with Clark's character development, it was like a Nam-Ek-caused train-wreck. Basically, I applaud Zach Snyder for the excellent directing and cinematography (except for the hilarious Sears product placement), but I boo David S. Goyer on the pitifully sub-par script.

Marvel talking shit about DC... Yeah, that's new.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Marvel talking shit about DC... Yeah, that's new.

We're talking about Quan here, He'll use anything to keep the hate flames burning when it comes to DC.

True.

Instead of just, you know, finding what he likes in both, like everyone else.

Originally posted by Kazenji
We're talking about Quan here, He'll use anything to keep the hate flames burning when it comes to DC.

Didn't Quanchi admit to liking something DC, a while back? If so, do you remember what it was?

I'm curious about what DC has put out that even Quanchi admits it is good...

I bet it is something from Frank Miller. 🙂

Dark Knight Trilogy

It seems to me that Quan takes the versus boards a bit too seriously, and is now trying to debate even the most irrelevant competitions. I'm just continuously shocked that it's a grown 35 year old doing this.

Dark Knight trilogy was great.