Shaw vs MOS Superman

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Proof MOS Superman is "so much faster than bullet its not even funny"?

Proof Bullet speed if the top speed Shaw can handle? I'd say it's not at all considering he absorbed multiple gun fire with ease.

If he knows he's fighting him, then he's ready to absorb.

And btw I'm still not buying he needs to be "ready" to absorb. That's just speculation based on why he was powerless under Charles control. It could just be that freezing his mind shuts down his powers, we don't know.

I don't have to prove a negative. Shaw is a baseline human without any amping.

No, he isn't. At the very start of fight, he isn't.

Originally posted by Robtard
Call it whatever you like, it was obviously due to Xavier affecting him. You don't know what a no limit fallacy is.

Shaw's durability isn't "shitty", he can explode a grenade in his hand and be fine as an example of his "shitty" durability. Which film did you watch?

Why can't Shaw "think" now? Show me where MoS Superman moved faster than the speed of a thought? You're just making shit up to force a win.

Says the "Shaw can't think" ranter because he needs Superman to win. Go take a nap.

Shaw actively absorbed the energy from grenade, if he was durable than a coin wouldn't have killed him backed by Magneto's power.

When he was moving fast enough to tackle Zod through entire length of smallville without Zod able to react despite seeing him coming.

Coming from someone who think Shaw would rip superman in half based on nothing, its laughable. A weakened Superman overpowered the gravity beam from world engine. Slightly better than absorbing the power of a sub I guess.

Originally posted by steverules_2
Superman is gonna lose here, Shaw will just absorb all of supermans attacks and objects thrown at him, too bad we never saw supes using super breath because in that case supes could just incase him in ice...or maybe not if supermans starting off with punches in which case he would have stored energy and be able to break out. But all Shaw has to do is stand there, build up the energy and then blast superman with a punch that could quite possibly kill him, whats to stop Shaw from building up on supes energy and snapping his neck much like supes did to Zod? Plus I don't see anywhere stating anywhere in the OP that Shaw can't amp up at a Nuclear power plant 🙂

This is getting idiotic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman went from one side of the world to another when he went into the orbit in moments. He also flew from around the world to metropolis in very short amount of time when Zod was attacking in his ship. That's so much faster than bullet speed, its not even funny.

That's travelling speed, not combat speed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
if he was durable than a coin wouldn't have killed him backed by Magneto's power.

Originally posted by abhilegend

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This is getting idiotic.

Originally posted by abhilegend

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This is getting idiotic.

How? I've seen both movies and I gave an opinion on the subject at hand, I could easily say that your posts are idiotic but I don't, you say Magneto killed Shaw with a coin but you failed to state that at the time he was able to do so due to Xavier having control over Shaw's mind rendering Shaw helpless...I could easily say that was idiotic but I don't. So go ahead, insult me again PUHLEASE because then I will report you. We usually get on in the TS thread so I've never had a problem with you but if you keep talking to me like that then I will have a problem with you.

See Shaw died from the coin because Xavier was keeping Shaw in place and Shaw couldn't move...couldn't do anything so of course Magneto was able to kill him with the slow moving coin

Kinetic energy is behind everyone of supes punches, doesn't matter the speed or anything, Shaw will absorb it and will eventually win. Thats my opinion.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That's travelling speed, not combat speed.

Heh, the coin would've shattered against somebody like Superman or Thor's skull.

Originally posted by steverules_2
How? I've seen both movies and I gave an opinion on the subject at hand, I could easily say that your posts are idiotic but I don't, you say Magneto killed Shaw with a coin but you failed to state that at the time he was able to do so due to Xavier having control over Shaw's mind rendering Shaw helpless...I could easily say that was idiotic but I don't. So go ahead, insult me again PUHLEASE because then I will report you. We usually get on in the TS thread so I've never had a problem with you but if you keep talking to me like that then I will have a problem with you.

See Shaw died from the coin because Xavier was keeping Shaw in place and Shaw couldn't move...couldn't do anything so of course Magneto was able to kill him with the slow moving coin

Kinetic energy is behind everyone of supes punches, doesn't matter the speed or anything, Shaw will absorb it and will eventually win. Thats my opinion.

And if Superman rams him at superspeed before he could activate his powers, he would get killed.

Superman had no problem taking hits from Nam-Ek who was stronger than him but Shaw would rip him in half absorbing superman's punches. While Superman just punches him like an idiot. Seems likely.

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What if Superman sees the futility of punching shaw, grabs him and flies in the orbit like when he did against Zod? Oh, I forgot. Superman is lobotomized here and can only punch.

If Shaw absorbed all the kinetic energy that supes was using to try to KO or kill Shaw then eventually the power would build up to a punch could possibly prove strong enough to kill supes, superman isn't invincible and he can be killed by someone punching him. And Shaw isn't going into this fight with his powers switched off, superman will punch Shaw and Shaw will be unaffected, it doesn't matter how fast superman flies at him there's kinetic energy here and Shaw is absorbing all of it. Superman can use heat vision and throw all he wants at Shaw but Shaw will absord it. Zod was proof that someone on the same strength level as superman could be killed, superman snapped his neck...Shaw could easily just absorb some of the power supes uses to punch him and snap superman's neck, if superman tries to snap Shaw's neck then again the force superman uses to try to do that will be absorbed.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That's travelling speed, not combat speed.

Just like Jedi's have running speed but not combat speed. Laughing at your hypocrisy.

Moving faster then bullets

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Originally posted by steverules_2
If Shaw absorbed all the kinetic energy that supes was using to try to KO or kill Shaw then eventually the power would build up to a punch could possibly prove strong enough to kill supes, superman isn't invincible and he can be killed by someone punching him. And Shaw isn't going into this fight with his powers switched off, superman will punch Shaw and Shaw will be unaffected, it doesn't matter how fast superman flies at him there's kinetic energy here and Shaw is absorbing all of it. Superman can use heat vision and throw all he wants at Shaw but Shaw will absord it. Zod was proof that someone on the same strength level as superman could be killed, superman snapped his neck...Shaw could easily just absorb some of the power supes uses to punch him and snap superman's neck, if superman tries to snap Shaw's neck then again the force superman uses to try to do that will be absorbed.

What if Superman doesn't punches Shaw and just flies him in the orbit like he did against Zod? You're using a superman who has his brain switched off.

And no matter how much energy Shaw absorbs, he isn't going to be able to counter Superman's speed. So superman is going to punch Shaw at superspeed untill he ****ing explodes by overloading at superspeed.

Or Shaw can take any amount of Superman's punches and can't get overloaded at all?

A question to Shaw club here, how is Shaw going to counter Superman's speed? Or is he going to just absorb Superman's speed too?

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Originally posted by abhilegend
First prove that Shaw can absorb enough power to even KO Superman, let alone kill Superman because the ****ing World Engine couldn't do it. This no limit fallacy is ****ing annoying. As it is Superman fought two kryptonians for an extended amount of time and was fine.

What if Superman doesn't punches Shaw and just flies him in the orbit like he did against Zod? You're using a superman who has his brain switched off.

And no matter how much energy Shaw absorbs, he isn't going to be able to counter Superman's speed. So superman is going to punch Shaw at superspeed untill he ****ing explodes by overloading at superspeed.

Or Shaw can take any amount of Superman's punches and can't get overloaded at all?

Prove that he can't? If you remember in the movie superman was knocked out for a short time by Faora, plus Faora if you recall was knocked out by a missile, we never saw superman hit by a missile true but there's a chance that could knock him out. He wasn't fine, he was clearly getting rocked by their punches, they weren't doing nothing to him they were hurting him.

And stop going on about Shaw being flown in to space, if that were the case then Shaw would lose. Not once in any of my posts have I put anything about Shaw surviving space so I dunno why you keep saying that. The OP states no BFR so stop bringing it up because it's pointless.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's what happened. No need to speculate like you.

Shaw actively absorbed the energy from grenade, if he was durable than a coin wouldn't have killed him backed by Magneto's power.

When he was moving fast enough to tackle Zod through entire length of smallville without Zod able to react despite seeing him coming.

Coming from someone who think Shaw would rip superman in half based on nothing, its laughable. A weakened Superman overpowered the gravity beam from world engine. Slightly better than absorbing the power of a sub I guess.
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What I said was akin to Shaw's powers being affected, so you're crying for nothing.

Ignoring again that Shaw's powers were affected when the coin went through.

Yeah. that wasn't "faster than a bullet", let alone faster than Shaw can think, as we clearly saw Superman coming in that scene. Zod also wasn't expecting it. This is a duel, Shaw knows he's in a fight.

The "ripping" was obvious hyperbole on my part, sorry you didn't pick it up. Go take that nap now, "Shaw can't think" poster.

I ain't reading 10 pages.

But my take is Shaw will not start the fight powered up enough to go Toe-to-Toe with Superman. Superman will be too strong and will just punch a hole in Shaw's head.

It's only when Superman holds back that we would have a reasonable fight. Versus threads are never default to "contender X will fight like a wimp for the first 5 minutes" unless the thread starter specifies in the OP. Since OP did not specify in the OP that Superman is going to start out very gently, Shaw turns into hamburger meat in about .00001 seconds into the fight.

Edit - By the way, HV means 'huge vagina.'

Originally posted by steverules_2
Prove that he can't? If you remember in the movie superman was knocked out for a short time by Faora, plus Faora if you recall was knocked out by a missile, we never saw superman hit by a missile true but there's a chance that could knock him out. He wasn't fine, he was clearly getting rocked by their punches, they weren't doing nothing to him they were hurting him.

And stop going on about Shaw being flown in to space, if that were the case then Shaw would lose. Not once in any of my posts have I put anything about Shaw surviving space so I dunno why you keep saying that. The OP states no BFR so stop bringing it up because it's pointless.

He was rocked by their punches, anybody would get if they were attacked by someone stronger than themselves. Shaw isn't going to achieve that level of strength. As he will fight Superman, he would expand his stored energy. But your scenario where Shaw stands still for an hour while Superman punches him and then attacks superman is quite likely.

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Shaw can't even dream to absorb the power of world engine. That's a fact, use high end feats for both if you're trying to use it for Shaw. A weakened Superman overpowered that power.

And BFR would be throwing your opponent outside the battlefield. Here both of them would just change the battlefield. Zod and Superman didn't BFR themselves when they went into orbit, that's just changing the battlefield for both opponents. Also answer this.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A question to Shaw club here, how is Shaw going to counter Superman's speed? Or is he going to just absorb Superman's speed too?

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Originally posted by abhilegend
A question to Shaw club here, how is Shaw going to counter Superman's speed? Or is he going to just absorb Superman's speed too?

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"Speed" as in Superman punching him very quickly?

How did Shaw counter the speed behind the bullets? Answer: By absorbing the kinetic energy behind them.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I ain't reading 10 pages.

But my take is Shaw will not start the fight powered up enough to go Toe-to-Toe with Superman. Superman will be too strong and will just punch a hole in Shaw's head.

It's only when Superman holds back that we would have a reasonable fight. Versus threads are never default to "contender X will fight like a wimp for the first 5 minutes" unless the thread starter specifies in the OP. Since OP did not specify in the OP that Superman is going to start out very gently, Shaw turns into hamburger meat in about .00001 seconds into the fight.

Edit - By the way, HV means 'huge vagina.'

It doesn't matter how Superman starts the fight, Shaw will absorb all of his punches , doesn't matter how strong or FAST they are!

Originally posted by Robtard
What I said was akin to Shaw's powers being affected, so you're crying for nothing.

Ignoring again that Shaw's powers were affected when the coin went through.

Yeah. that wasn't "faster than a bullet", let alone faster than Shaw can think, as we clearly saw Superman coming in that scene. Zod also wasn't expecting it. This is a duel, Shaw knows he's in a fight.

The "ripping" was obvious hyperbole on my part, sorry you didn't pick it up. Go take that nap now, "Shaw can't think" poster.

Affected means he wasn't able to use it. He was still amped by the sub and got killed by a coin. That shows even if he was amped, his durability was still shitty.

I didn't say it was faster than bullet against Zod. But we do know that he's capable of being much, much faster than that speed. He will use it here.

Yeah, now its hyperbole. Couldn't find a better excuse?

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Anyway how is Shaw going to counter Superman's speed, oh great one?

Originally posted by abhilegend
As it is Superman fought two kryptonians for an extended amount of time and was fine.

Yet you admitted just now that yes he was knocked out, you just flat out admitted that you were wrong 😉 You admit that yes, their punches did affect him yet earlier 'Superman got punched but was fine.' And I didn't answer your question due to the fact that it was stupid, I'm guessing your asking what if superman punches Shaw at superspeed because again...absorbtion, unless your saying that superman is just gonna run around Shaw really fast which wouldn't help him much.

Originally posted by Robtard
"Speed" as in Superman punching him very quickly?

How did Shaw counter the speed behind the bullets? Answer: By absorbing the kinetic energy behind them.

How about Superman just taking him to the orbit?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're just repeating yourself at this point. Yeah, we saw how Shaw's powers worked.

Affected means he wasn't able to use it. He was still amped by the sub and got killed by a coin. That shows even if he was amped, his durability was still shitty.

I didn't say it was faster than bullet against Zod. But we do know that he's capable of being much, much faster than that speed. He will use it here.

Yeah, now its hyperbole. Couldn't find a better excuse?

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Anyway how is Shaw going to counter Superman's speed, oh great one?

Then why the tears.

Great. And when his powers aren't affected, they made him extremely durable via absorbing any force that would harm him. You're arguing points for the sake of arguing. Stop?

Fastest fight-speed we saw from the Kryptonians was Faora, assuming MoS can replicate that (which he can), that's not faster than Shaw can think about using his powers.

What speed did yuo have in mind using the film as a source and not "MoS will just be too fast" type of arguments?

No, before it was, sorry you knee-jerked and cried.

Answered you above before.

Originally posted by steverules_2
Yet you admitted just now that yes he was knocked out, you just flat out admitted that you were wrong 😉 You admit that yes, their punches did affect him yet earlier 'Superman got punched but was fine.' And I didn't answer your question due to the fact that it was stupid, I'm guessing your asking what if superman punches Shaw at superspeed because again...absorbtion, unless your saying that superman is just gonna run around Shaw really fast which wouldn't help him much.

And why wouldn't it? After all a worl engine buster would be too much for even Shaw. or Shaw can overpower gravity beam of world engine now?

Honest question, what is the upper limit of Shaw's absorption powers? Can comic Superman beat him?

Originally posted by abhilegend
And then? Is he going to absorb superman's punches indefinitely?

How about Superman just taking him to the orbit?

Until he's powerful enough to fight back, maybe KO MoS. As I said later, could end in stalemate. But it's Shaw's fight to lose with his power-set and MoS being a brick type fighter. If we apply comic feats, Shaw gets overcharged and loses.

Did you read the rules in OP? No. Read the OP.