Shaw vs MOS Superman

Originally posted by abhilegend
Shaw has to consciously activate his powers, a superspeed punch would knock him out before he could activate his powers.

But... Bullets didn't knock him out. So why would a super speed punch knock him out due to the speed?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You take a amped feat and broadcast it while ignoring him running away from Magneto while he not amped.

It's speculation why exactly he was running away, but fact is he had to for several reasons, one being to protect Emma otherwise Charles would get into his head.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
But... Bullets didn't knock him out. So why would a super speed punch knock him out due to the speed.

And what's that phrase? Ah yes, "faster than a speeding bullet."

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Originally posted by abhilegend
Obviously he was consciously using his powers to absorb the energy. Without him absorbing any energy a coin killed him. Shitty durability.

And what's that phrase? Ah yes, "faster than a speeding bullet."

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Superman hasn't shown anything that can stop Shaw from absorbing energy though !

Originally posted by abhilegend
Obviously he was consciously using his powers to absorb the energy. Without him absorbing any energy a coin killed him. Shitty durability.

And what's that phrase? Ah yes, "faster than a speeding bullet."

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Right? Faster than a speeding bullet. That's fine. But the fact that he can absorb speeding bullets suggests he can absorb super speed attacks.

And why wouldn't he be consciously using his powers to absorb energy while fighting Superman?

The way I see it, Superman isn't going to beat him into submission. And given Shaw's powerset it would be a pretty stupid thing to attempt. But there are other ways to defeat Shaw, as he's lacking in versatility.

Minus the BFR which is forbidden by the OP, he can simply trap Shaw, as long as he makes sure he doesn't give Shaw the kinetic energy to escape.

Where the hell are people getting that he has to activate his powers

I always thought that he needs to be able to move to do it

What's the greatest amount of energy Shaw has absorbed?

Also doesn't he have to act to absorb energy (as in, not automatic defenses or whatever)? Because Superman is waaaaaay faster than any X-Men character I can think of

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Where the hell are people getting that he has to activate his powers

Speculation on why Magneto was able to kill him with a coin once Charles had Frozen him.

He just needs to be able to move

He has to be able to react and think to use his powers

Unless he has automatic defenses or whatever, he won't absorb Supes, even then, again, how much energy has he been shown to absorb at once?

Stalemate or Shaw wins. Shaw's power to absorb kinetic energy makes him the very antithesis of Superman's strength. His ability to absorb a submarine worth of nuclear energy means Supe's heat vision isn't doing jack shit. If Superman tries to throw him anywhere, again, he'll just absorb the kinetic energy. There's nothing that can be done to stop him, and eventually Shaw will build up enough energy to fight evenly with Superman, and then surpass him. Even if he doesn't, Kal has no way to put him down.

Originally posted by DrDeadpool
Superman hasn't shown anything that can stop Shaw from absorbing energy though !

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Right? Faster than a speeding bullet. That's fine. But the fact that he can absorb speeding bullets suggests he can absorb super speed attacks.

And why wouldn't he be consciously using his powers to absorb energy while fighting Superman?

The way I see it, Superman isn't going to beat him into submission. And given Shaw's powerset it would be a pretty stupid thing to attempt. But there are other ways to defeat Shaw, as he's lacking in versatility.

Minus the BFR which is forbidden by the OP, he can simply trap Shaw, as long as he makes sure he doesn't give Shaw the kinetic energy to escape.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Stalemate or Shaw wins. Shaw's power to absorb kinetic energy makes him the very antithesis of Superman's strength. His ability to absorb a submarine worth of nuclear energy means Supe's heat vision isn't doing jack shit. If Superman tries to throw him anywhere, again, he'll just absorb the kinetic energy. There's nothing that can be done to stop him, and eventually Shaw will build up enough energy to fight evenly with Superman, and then surpass him. Even if he doesn't, Kal has no way to put him down.

How the hell is he going to absorb the kinetic energy if Superman grabs him and flies up in the space at the very start of the fight? Because he would die in the upper atmosphere.

There is no evidence to suggest super speed can stop Shaw from absorbing.

Originally posted by DrDeadpool
There is no evidence to suggest super speed can stop Shaw from absorbing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There is no scene of Shaw encountering superspeed.

He absorbed multiple machine gun fire. I'm pretty sure bullets fire at what would be considered super speed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Simple, Superman is much too fast for Shaw to activate his powers before he gets KOED. Seeing how Kal rushed Zod and Faora in smallville, he only needs to ram Shaw once. Result wouldn't be pretty for shaw.

So Superman is going to hit him before they even agree to fight?

I think that would classify as a surprise attack.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He absorbed multiple machine gun fire. I'm pretty sure bullets fire at what would be considered super speed.

So Superman is going to hit him before they even agree to fight?

I think that would classify as a surprise attack.

And no, its not a surprise attack and they don't have to agree to fight here. As soon as fight starts Superman rams into him at superspeed like he did to Zod and Faora and they were both unable to react to it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman is so much faster than bullet its not even funny.

Proof MOS Superman is "so much faster than bullet its not even funny"?

Proof Bullet speed if the top speed Shaw can handle? I'd say it's not at all considering he absorbed multiple gun fire with ease.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And no, its not a surprise attack and they don't have to agree to fight here. As soon as fight starts Superman rams into him at superspeed like he did to Zod and Faora and they were both unable to react to it.

If he knows he's fighting him, then he's ready to absorb.

And btw I'm still not buying he needs to be "ready" to absorb. That's just speculation based on why he was powerless under Charles control. It could just be that freezing his mind shuts down his powers, we don't know.

I realize Shaw can absorb massive amounts of energy which probably increases his physical durability, the more energy he absorbs. Shaw at base
levels may not have the physical durability to absorb certain attacks before his body has time to absorb the kinetic energy.

I doubt Shaw's physical body is as durable as a Kryptonian's
at starting levels. Shaw could have his head knocked off his shoulder's while his. body is still trying to process the kinetic energy from the killing blow

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Throwing random shit at the wall now? "Affected somehow"? GTFO. But I liked the no limit fallacy you placed on Shaw. And as it is, no matter how amped he was via that sub, his durability was shitty.

Shaw can't absorb the enrgy if he can't think. A simple superspeed punch would knock him out.

Heh, you are so clueless. Shaw has to consciously activate his powers, a superspeed punch would knock him out before he could activate his powers.

And calling me a troll wouldn't cure you being clueless. Maybe you should see the movie again.

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Call it whatever you like, it was obviously due to Xavier affecting him. You don't know what a no limit fallacy is.

Shaw's durability isn't "shitty", he can explode a grenade in his hand and be fine as an example of his "shitty" durability. Which film did you watch?

Why can't Shaw "think" now? Show me where MoS Superman moved faster than the speed of a thought? You're just making shit up to force a win.

Says the "Shaw can't think" ranter because he needs Superman to win. Go take a nap.

Some of the arguments made here against Shaw is laughable.

Superman is gonna lose here, Shaw will just absorb all of supermans attacks and objects thrown at him, too bad we never saw supes using super breath because in that case supes could just incase him in ice...or maybe not if supermans starting off with punches in which case he would have stored energy and be able to break out. But all Shaw has to do is stand there, build up the energy and then blast superman with a punch that could quite possibly kill him, whats to stop Shaw from building up on supes energy and snapping his neck much like supes did to Zod? Plus I don't see anywhere stating anywhere in the OP that Shaw can't amp up at a Nuclear power plant 🙂