Mystique vs Bucky

Originally posted by 80sBaby
So you don't understand how amnesia actually works then? Ok.

But the onus is on you since, after losing his memories, he didn't have any actual skill showings so your move...

So you don't know much about anything then? YOU claimed that he lost ALL his memories. Of which you included fighting skill. Thus is onus is SQUARELY on you to prove such a claim. I proved beyond a shadow of a doubt he didn't lose all his memories... He could talk just fine.. walk just fine which prove all his memories weren't lost. Further, part of who Wolverine is, is part animal and thus instinctual. The movies go out of their way to slap us in the face with his point that seems to allude you. Being part animal means much of your hunting and fighting skills come natural, which further flies in the face of him forgetting everything he knows. Now, go ahead and prove your claim that he lost all his memories including fighting skill

His main point is that X1 Wolverine was a brawler that relied heavily on his powers, which is true.

Oh yeah.

Damn this is my own thread and I forgot the participants lol

Originally posted by Silent Master
His main point is that X1 Wolverine was a brawler that relied heavily on his powers, which is true.

Exactly. Kurupt needs to provide proof that Logan actually had fight skills in X1, which he/she hasn't.

Originally posted by 80sBaby
Exactly. Kurupt needs to provide proof that Logan actually had fight skills in X1, which he/she hasn't.

Just say you have no idea who the onus lies on in an argument and we can work you through it. YOU MADE THE CLAIM he lost all his memories including fighting skills. Which means YOU need to prove said claim. I don't need to prove a negative. IF you have no clue how to argue, just say so, and we can move on.

None of that changes his point, IE X1 Wolverine was a brawler that relied heavily on his powers.

Anybody might look like a brawler against mystique with her flashy moves and skill. Nothing wrong with that.

That wasn't the only fight in X1 where Wolverine looked like a brawler.

Yeah, just check out his cage fight.

yeah and he had fights before that where he beat people who were skilled.. proving he can do so no matter brawling or not. That doesn't take away from Mystique tooling him... it only reinforces the point on how good mystique is. You acting like Wolverine is nothing but a brawler doesn't help your case. He still beats people being a brawler... yet was getting schooled by mystique as whatever you'd want to call him.

Unless Wolverine gets knocked out, he's going to win pretty much any fight eventually; that doesn't say much about his skills, but rather his regen and adamantium skeleton.

I don't see Mystique tooling a skilled fighter like she did Wolverine.

So everyone agrees that X1 Wolverine is a brawler whose wins came more from his powers, rather than skill?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So everyone agrees that X1 Wolverine is a brawler whose wins came more from his powers, rather than skill?

Every single one of us agrees.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So everyone agrees that X1 Wolverine is a brawler whose wins came more from his powers, rather than skill?

Incorrect, if this was true he wouldn't land a blow or be able to dodge a blow. All of which he's shown to be able to do in x1 or any x-men movie. So say he has no skill is simply laughable. Even if this was true (which it's not), it doesn't matter because he still lands blows and beats people. Something he wasn't able to do with Mystique and was able to do with others.

Why don't you just post the clips from X1 where Wolverine shows more than just basic brawling skills?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So everyone agrees that X1 Wolverine is a brawler whose wins came more from his powers, rather than skill?

For once we agree on something.

No one is saying Wolverine has no skills whatsoever. Just that he doesnt have good skills, definitely nothing above a good brawler.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why don't you just post the clips from X1 where Wolverine shows more than just basic brawling skills?

Why do you think Wolverine only skill showings were in x1?

X1 skill showings are the only ones that matter, as that is version that Mystique fought.

Ummm no it doesn't... being that he's shown fighting through various wars throughout history and killing people. He's shown in Origins to fight numerous people including Sabertooth.. Gambit... Weapon X... Agent Zero etc etc... Surely you don't believe his only skill showings were in X1