Mystique vs Bucky

Originally posted by KingD19
Despite what you're saying. The only time Logan fights Mystique, he showcases none of the skill he showed in Origins. Absolutely none. So either he just said "I don't feel like winning this fight", or he lost a few steps. Either way, if he fought like he did against Creed or Deadpool in Origins, Mystique would have died.

Which happened before he fought mystique.. so he logically still has those skills he had shown prior to fighting her. So either he lost a step (not logical considering his powers) or her skill level made his skills look inferior to prior showings.

I always assumed Mystique had some kind of superhuman strength/durability, considering she should have smashed her hand/feet on Logan's metal skeleton like the cage fighter at the beginning did.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Which happened before he fought mystique.. so he logically still has those skills he had shown prior to fighting her. So either he lost a step (not logical considering his powers) or her skill level made his skills look inferior to prior showings.

I know when it happened which is why I mentioned it. But you're saying you think Mystique is so incredibly up there and skilled that she can outperform the Creed that was showcased in Origins? Because as soon as he got his Adamantium, Logan put the hurt on Victor. A guy with similar powers, but greater speed, agility, and strength, if offset slightly by lesser healing(according to Stryker anyway).

Do you honestly think Mystique would have stood a chance against Origins Victor?

X1 Logan showed very little skill, no amount of excuses will change that fact....at best you can call it jobbing based on his other movies, either way Mystique out-skilling that version of Wolverine isn't nearly as impressive as some are trying to make it.

You didn't answer my question.. Do you judge a boxer or mma fighter skills based on one fight or multiple fights ? Simple question

Originally posted by KingD19
I know when it happened which is why I mentioned it. But you're saying you think Mystique is so incredibly up there and skilled that she can outperform the Creed that was showcased in Origins? Because as soon as he got his Adamantium, Logan put the hurt on Victor. A guy with similar powers, but greater speed, agility, and strength, if offset slightly by lesser healing(according to Stryker anyway).

Do you honestly think Mystique would have stood a chance against Origins Victor?

Of course I do, because from the movies... Wolverine beat Creed 2 times and was getting the better of the fight. Yet, couldn't do the same with Mystique. So, yes mystique would have a chance to beat him using her superior skill which was > than wolverine's who's was > than creed's

Wow.

Mystique fought a Wolverine that showed very little skill, in a movie where Wolverine was shown at best to be a decently skilled brawler. The end.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Of course I do, because from the movies... Wolverine beat Creed 2 times and was getting the better of the fight. Yet, couldn't do the same with Mystique. So, yes mystique would have a chance to beat him using her superior skill which was > than wolverine's who's was > than creed's

It should also be pointed out that Logan had Adamantium claws to beat Sabretooth with. As well as a similar physicality. Mystique is A)Physically below them imo, and B)Without Adamantium Claws.

This means Mystique would have to KO Victor. Lol at that happening.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You didn't answer my question.. Do you judge a boxer or mma fighter skills based on one fight or multiple fights ? Simple question

I judge him depending on the period of his life/career that he is in.

For example, 20 yr old Tyson was a completely different animal than 30 yr old Tyson.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I judge him depending on the period of his life/career that he is in.

For example, 20 yr old Tyson was a completely different animal than 30 yr old Tyson.

Obviously but all his fights are factored in is the point, and one you agree with. Have different circumstances like age and eroding of skills are factored in when appropriate, but doesn't change the fact that all fights are considered. Same thing here, only Wolverine skills are far far less susceptible to age and eroding being that his powerset is.

Originally posted by KingD19
It should also be pointed out that Logan had Adamantium claws to beat Sabretooth with. As well as a similar physicality. Mystique is A)Physically below them imo, and B)Without Adamantium Claws.

This means Mystique would have to KO Victor. Lol at that happening.

It should be pointed out that Wolverine had the same claws and physicality when he fought mystique as he did Creed. So again, Wolverine beat Creed twice with the aforementioned factors, he later fought mystique with the same factors and couldn't do a thing to her. Why is this difficult to grasp? You seem to think Sabertooth can't be KO'd, which couldn't be further from the truth. Wolverine, as you pointed out has a better healing factor than Creed and has been KO'd numerous times in the movies. Thus, so can Creed.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Mystique fought a Wolverine that showed very little skill, in a movie where Wolverine was shown at best to be a decently skilled brawler. The end.

Failed to answer a basic question for the second time. Concession accepted.

If you want to prove that Mystique fought a highly skilled Wolverine, by all means post the clips.

What are these nonexistent clips you speak of?

He seems sure that X1 Wolverine was some highly skilled bada$$, surely there must be some clips to support this; I mean he wouldn't be letting his biases get the better of him, would he?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Obviously but all his fights are factored in is the point, and one you agree with. Have different circumstances like age and eroding of skills are factored in when appropriate, but doesn't change the fact that all fights are considered. Same thing here, only Wolverine skills are far far less susceptible to age and eroding being that his powerset is.

Yeah but the problem is, Wolverine isn't the one in this fight. It's not his skill that we're trying to prove directly. We're trying to debate Mystique's skill, and the Wolverine that she fought was the Wolverine in X1 who had crappy skill. Not any other incarnation of the character. Fact still stands that Wolverine showed no decent fighting skill in X1... so Mystique beating him up isn't exactly such a great feat.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah but the problem is, Wolverine isn't the one in this fight. It's not his skill that we're trying to prove directly. We're trying to debate Mystique's skill, and the Wolverine that she fought was the Wolverine in X1 who had crappy skill. Not any other incarnation of the character. Fact still stands that Wolverine showed no decent fighting skill in X1... so Mystique beating him up isn't exactly such a great feat.

You act like first class wolverine is different than Wolverine from x1 and they are from separate universes. That is true, thus I'm not understanding you still being obtuse. Question, does Wolverine First class and numerous fights and wars he was in throughout his long life happen BEFORE x1? Does anything he learned before x1 carry over into the skills he would have by the time of x1?

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you want to prove that Mystique fought a highly skilled Wolverine, by all means post the clips.

Did you watch first class? You should watch it sometime and learn some things.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did you watch first class? You should watch it sometime and learn some things.

Again, this is about the fight in X1.