WS is definitely stronger and more durable, but Mystique seems faster and more agile. She might be able to win if she can KO him before he rips her face off with his robo-arm. I mean her hits were hurting the far more durable Wolverine, so I could see her downing WS with a few face hits....if she can avoid his arm. I'd edge it to WS, but it's by no means a curbstomp.
IIRC, didn't Mystique take down a room full of people in DOFP?
Originally posted by Lestov16
YouTube videoWS is definitely stronger and more durable, but Mystique seems faster and more agile. She might be able to win if she can KO him before he rips her face off with his robo-arm. I mean her hits were hurting the far more durable Wolverine, so I could see her downing WS with a few face hits....if she can avoid his arm. I'd edge it to WS, but it's by no means a curbstomp.
IIRC, didn't Mystique take down a room full of people in DOFP?
If Cap couldn't KO Bucky with that flying knee or that suplex, I'm not sure what hope Mystique has.
And, yes, she did take down a room full of soldier fodder.
Originally posted by juggerman
Not if he "forgot" his training which is what people are saying
Exactly.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Can you "forget" muscle memory?
"Muscle memory has been used synonymously with motor learning, which is a form of procedural memory that involves consolidating a specific motor task into memory through repetition."
So if his mind is wiped, he's forgetting everything? That would include learning repetitive tasks.
So how can he walk? That means he would have to relearn everything including talking, walking, etc.
Seems to reason that he is losing very specific types of memories. That's very unscientific as this type of technology is retardedly far more advanced than anything else seen in the movie.
Does that answer your question?
Basically, memories are selectively removed from Bucky. He should still retain his training because, hey, this is sci-fi bullshit and we can pick and choose which memories to delete! 😄
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Who cares if that the version she fought... he had prior fights BEFORE x1 which still count towards his skill level and experience leading up to x1
This thread is about Mystique, thus the only thing that matters is the people she beat and what skill was shown during her fights and Wolverine displayed very little skill during their fight.
Originally posted by dadudemon
"Muscle memory has been used synonymously with motor learning, which is a form of procedural memory that involves consolidating a specific motor task into memory through repetition."So if his mind is wiped, he's forgetting everything? That would include learning repetitive tasks.
So how can he walk? That means he would have to relearn everything including talking, walking, etc.
Seems to reason that he is losing very specific types of memories. That's very unscientific as this type of technology is retardedly far more advanced than anything else seen in the movie.
Does that answer your question?
Basically, memories are selectively removed from Bucky. He should still retain his training because, hey, this is sci-fi bullshit and we can pick and choose which memories to delete! 😄
Um....you know I'm talking about Logan, not WS, right? Even though you did technically answer my question
It's already established that people who claim he lost all his fighting skills and memories have ZERO proof to back up this claim. We see Logan walking and talking without any issue.. clearly meaning he didn't lose all his memories. So to claim he lost all his fighting memories requires proof, which as of yet, has not been provided (and can't be provided as we all know). So, let's just forget about this whole he lost all his fighting memory bs.
Originally posted by Silent Master
This thread is about Mystique, thus the only thing that matters is the people she beat and what skill was shown during her fights and Wolverine displayed very little skill during their fight.
Wrong again, you questioned his skills, thus when examining his skills we are not required to just go by one movie. We can gather all the skills he's shown prior to fighting mystique. All that he learned and shown prior to fighting her makes up his skill level. We don't just go by his skill level in the movie. He has learned various skills throughout his life up until that point. that's like saying when Oscar De La Hoya fought Whitaker... We only look at how he did in that fight in evaluating how much skill he had. That couldn't be further form the truth. We evaluate how much skill his has from his prior fights and how much he's shown and grown up to fighting Pea. You don't judge a boxers or MMA fighter skills based on one fight when they have many. that's beyond idiotic.
Despite what you're saying. The only time Logan fights Mystique, he showcases none of the skill he showed in Origins. Absolutely none. So either he just said "I don't feel like winning this fight", or he lost a few steps. Either way, if he fought like he did against Creed or Deadpool in Origins, Mystique would have died.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, This thread is about Mystique, thus the only thing that matters is the people she beat and what skill was shown during her fights and Wolverine displayed very little skill during their fight.
Wrong again, Do you judge a boxer or MMA based on one fight or his entire career? This isn't hard and I don't know why you're being intentionally obtuse. I get that is your usual routine, but it doesn't always need to be. Wolverine had shown skills before mystique in his fights.. thus he still had those same skills. He just couldn't showcase them as effectively because mystique is that much more skilled. To try and pigeon hole the argument to just the skills wolverine showed in x1 is funny Silent. Good try though.