Mystique vs Bucky

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You act like first class wolverine is different than Wolverine from x1 and they are from separate universes. That is true, thus I'm not understanding you still being obtuse. Question, does Wolverine First class and numerous fights and wars he was in throughout his long life happen BEFORE x1? Does anything he learned before x1 carry over into the skills he would have by the time of x1?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did you watch first class? You should watch it sometime and learn some things.

Wrong movie

I meant Origins not First Class

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, this is about the fight in X1.

You're the only one that seems to think that. Because the Wolverine from X1 would have got wrecked by Origins Creed even with his Adamantium.

Do you guys believe Origins Wolverine and X1 wolverine weren't from the same universe? I mean this is getting ridiculous. It's the same wolverine in continuity.

Doesn't mean he had the same fighting style

HUH? The same fighting style.. according to others he's always just been a brawler.. so that defies what they are saying. Further, and the point is, it's the SAME wolverine and is in continuity. He beat Gambit.. Creed x 2... fought the blob in boxing and fought weapon x among others. Him beating who he did counts to Wolverine's skills period. He had the same skills in x1 if not more being that it took place years later.

So you're saying you believe Mystique could beat Blob, fight Deadpool, take down Creed and Gambit?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No it's not. Wolverine had many fights he grew and learned from BEFORE X1 which would've contributed to his skill by the time of X1

X1 Wolverine showed none of that skill during the Mystique fight.

Originally posted by Silent Master
X1 Wolverine showed none of that skill during the Mystique fight.

Silent you have no clue about real life fighting and that is why you struggle with make believe fights. Fighters can make others looked unskilled because they are that much better... circumstances... or game plan. For example, you would never know Anderson Silva is a great striker if you just watched his first fight with Chael would you? Granted, you have no clue what I'm talking about I'm sure. However, the point is if we discussing if Anderson is a good striker... you would be putting to one fight and going see he's not.. and I'd be point to 20 fights where he shows it. The reason he couldn't against Chael was because he was taken down constantly and it wasn't a standing fight.

Another example would be Marquez vs. Mayweather... Marquez looked pretty unskilled against mayweather but that was because Money May was that much better. However, when you watch Marquez against Pac, Casamayor, MAB or Diaz or most any of his other fight he's clearly very skilled. Does any of this make sense. I know you don't know about real fights nor do you understand how to debate but this is how it can go. Now, go ahead and prove that Wolverine from X1 had no memories of his prior fights and his skills were gone by the time of that fight. Simple.

Originally posted by KingD19
So you're saying you believe Mystique could beat Blob, fight Deadpool, take down Creed and Gambit?

Of course she could be Gambit, that goes without saying. Same thing with Creed. Creed can be KO'd just like Wolverine (who has a better healing factor) who was KO'd numerous times in the movies. She couldn't beat deadpool but I never said Wolverine did alone either.. he had help. Blob wouldn't even lay a hand on her. Easy unanimous decision.

I'm still waiting for people to prove that Origins and x1 aren't in continuity and are from separate universes. If you can't, then he had just as much skill and probably more by the time of x1

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Now, go ahead and prove that Wolverine from X1 had no memories of his prior fights

Seems like you are under the impression that his memories were not destroyed by the magic mind erasing bullets

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Of course she could be Gambit, that goes without saying. Same thing with Creed. Creed can be KO'd just like Wolverine (who has a better healing factor) who was KO'd numerous times in the movies. She couldn't beat deadpool but I never said Wolverine did alone either.. he had help. Blob wouldn't even lay a hand on her. Easy unanimous decision.

Wolverine only beat Gambit because his Adamantium and HF let him survive that first card barrage. Mystique would have been done in right there. Even after that it was Wolverine's powers that let him take the win against Gambit.

Logan's been ko'd by things beyond Mystique's ability to replicate. Getting smacked with a tree by a super strong Sabretooth. Getting shot. Etc... Mystique hasn't shown enough strength to be able to ko him, and certainly not enough to ko Creed who is bigger, stronger, and tougher. Also she'd have to dodge his claws which I doubt she could do for long. Logan gutted her after all.

What would she do against Blob? Run. That's not winning.

The fact is, Logan showed none of the skill he had in Origins probably because it was a solo movie, and it came out later. But fact still remains, the only time Mystique fought him, he was performing far worse than the other times.

Do you think Mystique can beat the guy who gave Cap a hard time? Or get past that arm? A guy who keep in mind is stronger than her even without his arm, just as skilled if not more, and crazy fast.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Silent you have no clue about real life fighting and that is why you struggle with make believe fights.

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The Mystique/Wolverine fight lasted more than long enough for both sides to display their skill, however X1 Wolverine showed only basic brawling skills, Thus Mystique only gets credit for out-skilling a brawling oriented Wolverine.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The Mystique/Wolverine fight lasted more than long enough for both sides to display their skill, however X1 Wolverine showed only basic brawling skills, Thus Mystique only gets credit for out-skilling a brawling oriented Wolverine.

I feel your debating skills are at an all time low with this latest show.

Originally posted by juggerman
Seems like you are under the impression that his memories were not destroyed by the magic mind erasing bullets

Now go ahead and prove he lost his fighting memories and skills because of the bullet. He clearly had other memories that weren't messed with.

Originally posted by KingD19
Wolverine only beat Gambit because his Adamantium and HF let him survive that first card barrage. Mystique would have been done in right there. Even after that it was Wolverine's powers that let him take the win against Gambit.

Logan's been ko'd by things beyond Mystique's ability to replicate. Getting smacked with a tree by a super strong Sabretooth. Getting shot. Etc... Mystique hasn't shown enough strength to be able to ko him, and certainly not enough to ko Creed who is bigger, stronger, and tougher. Also she'd have to dodge his claws which I doubt she could do for long. Logan gutted her after all.

What would she do against Blob? Run. That's not winning.

The fact is, Logan showed none of the skill he had in Origins probably because it was a solo movie, and it came out later. But fact still remains, the only time Mystique fought him, he was performing far worse than the other times.

Do you think Mystique can beat the guy who gave Cap a hard time? Or get past that arm? A guy who keep in mind is stronger than her even without his arm, just as skilled if not more, and crazy fast.

Mystique would have no issue with Gambit at all really. You're also forgetting this is h2h were talking about and in that portion Wolverine won and not because of his healing factor. Mystique would crush Gambit h2h and would still beat him with weapons

You're further proving my case and don't even know it. Wolverine gutted Creed but wasn't able to land a killing blow or even a blow really on Mystique. Your'e right, pretty telling indeed. Wolverine was also KO'd by getting thrown against the top of the train and hitting his head. Mystique could certainly replicate that kinda trauma especially if she pressed her advantage and kept kicking him in the head. Point is, Wolverine beat Creed two times and landed blows on him blows on him both times. Numerous blows even. He couldn't land hardly a blow on mystique.

Why would she need run against blob? He wouldn't even be able to land a blow... Nothing is to say she couldn't snap his neck with her legs either.

It was in continuity with x1 period. He had the same skills if not more by the time of x1. Simple

Whoa whoa whoa. Forget everything else.

You're saying the guy who punched a tank shell and had it blow up without any harm. Is getting his neck snapped by Mystique?