Superman (Man of Steel) vs Godzilla (2014)

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
There's nothing from the films that suggests
That superman isn't fast or agile enough
To escape Godzillas atomic breath. Even if Godzilla
We're able to catch superman with a direct hit from
His atomic breath it's questionable that it would have
Much of an affect on him.

Godzilla is all but defenseless against superman.
Superman can simply fly around in circles and blast Godzilla
In the face heat vision until the big lizard falls. Godzillas range of motion
Or lack there of and his Lumbering movements would never
Be able to defend against or harm superman. Godzillas
Only hope is his atomic breath.

Only we know Superman was hurt and put down by MUCH MUCH less than Atomic Breathe. It's unquestionable that superman would be very hurt by it and probably out.

That isn't how superman fought in the movies though. He wasn't some super strategist who used his speed in encounters. Every single one of his encounters he met them head on. No fancy tricks.. just head on. IF he tried that with Godzilla he'd get destroyed.

You would agree that Godzilla did catch most of the energy from the blast, or at the very least, more than if he was further away right? I understand your point though, and get that some energy missed him. However, he did catch the majority of it and it essentially did nothing to him.

In the end Godzilla still comes from Earth; born from 60's era's nukes, and Kal is an advanced alien coming from another galaxy.

He was able to take on the world engine that was much faster and more agile then Godzilla.

He would figure out how to beat it easier then fighting Zod. He has the speed, strength and heatvision.

Him flying at full speed and hitting Godzilla in the face would KO Zilla seeing as Zilla was being affected by tanks. After he gets ko'd he has time to throw his ass in space or go inside and start wrecking havoc on his insides.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Only we know Superman was hurt and put down by MUCH MUCH less than Atomic Breathe. It's unquestionable that superman would be very hurt by it and probably out.

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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Only we know Superman was hurt and put down by MUCH MUCH less than Atomic Breathe. It's unquestionable that superman would be very hurt by it and probably out.

That isn't how superman fought in the movies though. He wasn't some super strategist who used his speed in encounters. Every single one of his encounters he met them head on. No fancy tricks.. just head on. IF he tried that with Godzilla he'd get destroyed.

This doesn't make any sense. He wasn't "put down" by anything in the movie. He wasn't KO'd at all.

And you're basically saying he would treat a fight with human sized opponents that could fly, shoot HV, jump great distances and trade punches with him the exact same as a skyscraper sized, slow moving lizard? Come the f*ck on! Nobody would fight Zilla the same way they fought people of their own size. That's just retarded.

Originally posted by juggerman
This doesn't make any sense. He wasn't "put down" by anything in the movie. He wasn't KO'd at all.

And you're basically saying he would treat a fight with human sized opponents that could fly, shoot HV, jump great distances and trade punches with him the exact same as a skyscraper sized, slow moving lizard? Come the f*ck on! Nobody would fight Zilla the same way they fought people of their own size. That's just retarded.

This couldn't be further from the truth...

He was put down by an oil rig collapsing

He was KO'd by Nam and lying helpless on the floor when they rolled his limp body over

He wasn't KO'd.. but he hit and moved by conventional weapons

So he was most certainly KO'd in the movies at various points

That's just it... People are arguing Superman has so many more ways to win.. more versatile etc etc. Yet, when supes faces this same versatility that matches his own... He doesn't try what most would.. and try and be cute or think of an elaborate plan. He decides to meet the threat head on. Deciding to face 3 super powered beings just as versatile as you and out number you.. isn't the best plan. Yet that is exactly what he did. So yes, superman has shown a propensity to not use strategy and just face people head on

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's not odd, it's the only logical way to approach that scene in relation to this discussion. We can't assume it harmed him, that is unsound logic. We have to assume it didn't harm him as there was nothing ever stated or shown that it harmed him. It's really that simple. Thus, since we had no choice but to come to that logical conclusion about his eyes and the nuke... That means Superman HV will do nothing. Again, if it's comic book hv... than that is different. It's not, so it won't harm him.

Can I see superman DOMING anybody like what you're claiming he's do... he flew right at somebody on two separate occasions and didn't fly right through them or impale them at all.

So please provide proof of this theory and approach of yours and it seems to have no foundation from the movies

No, it's odd and silly as shown, but you be you.

The hell you on now? Fact: Superman used his body at least twice as a missile 1) When he flew into the world engine thereby destroying it 2) When he flew into colony ship and punched right through its hull

Provided. Facts > you

Originally posted by Robtard
No, it's odd and silly as shown, but you be you.

The hell you on now? Fact: Superman used his body at least twice as a missile 1) When he flew into the world engine thereby destroying it 2) When he flew into colony ship and punched right through its hull

Provided. Facts > you

Murderman murders Godzilla from the inside like he does all big foes.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This couldn't be further from the truth...

1. He was put down by an oil rig collapsing

2. He was KO'd by Nam and lying helpless on the floor when they rolled his limp body over

3. He wasn't KO'd.. but he hit and moved by conventional weapons

4. So he was most certainly KO'd in the movies at various points

5. That's just it... People are arguing Superman has so many more ways to win.. more versatile etc etc. Yet, when supes faces this same versatility that matches his own... He doesn't try what most would.. and try and be cute or think of an elaborate plan. He decides to meet the threat head on. Deciding to face 3 super powered beings just as versatile as you and out number you.. isn't the best plan. Yet that is exactly what he did. So yes, superman has shown a propensity to not use strategy and just face people head on

You're wrong.

1. He wasn't "put down" by the oil rig. It collapsed. And since he couldn't fly at that point in time, he fell into the water. If anything it was gravity that "put him down"

2. He was never KO'd by Nam

3. Moved=/=hurt so pointless

4. No he really wasn't. Not one time.

5. But that's the point. He was fighting people that were equal to him. Here he is fighting a monster. He isn't going to trade blows with Zilla like he would Zod. That's a very silly stance to have. He would fight to the best of his ability against the opponent and he approach would change given what his opponent is. I'm not saying he will come up with some super creative master plan, but he would clearly fight Zilla much differently than he fought Zod and company

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Only we know Superman was hurt and put down by MUCH MUCH less than Atomic Breathe. It's unquestionable that superman would be very hurt by it and probably out.

That isn't how superman fought in the movies though. He wasn't some super strategist who used his speed in encounters. Every single one of his encounters he met them head on. No fancy tricks.. just head on. IF he tried that with Godzilla he'd get destroyed.

So what you are saying is that even though Godzilla has no way to counter his speed, Clark is now going to fight at the same speed as Godzilla? This sounds a bit nuts don't you think?

How was he supposed to fight Faora and Namek and Zod other then head on? They were the exact same as him. Fighting a giant slow object is cake walk. Hell he even fought a giant object that was as fast as him, The world Engine and took that down.

He was using as much strategy as he could but everyone he was fighting was on his level and could counter him and he was outnumbered.

Its like you think he did not encounter any opposition in his fights and somehow he had to fight them but he could have done something else.

He was a target and was targeted by his equal's.

He also was learning while he was fighting at a rapid rate, his first encounter with Faora and Namek proved that. They all had military training and combat training and he ended up going from being outmatched in skill and numbers to being equally as dangerous.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, it's odd and silly as shown, but you be you.

The hell you on now? Fact: Superman used his body at least twice as a missile 1) When he flew into the world engine thereby destroying it 2) When he flew into colony ship and punched right through its hull

Provided. Facts > you

NONE of which are close to as durable as Godzilla. That's like saying look I punched threw a paper bag... that means I can punch through a wall. That isn't proof in the least, in fact it's far from it. By as you say, you be you.

He flew at people three times and not once not ONCE did he impale somebody or even KO them... he flew at Zod.. Nam.. and Faora and literally nothing happened. No impaling.. no ko.. nothing. Now, provide proof of him doing so to somebody actively fighting back or near the durability and regeneration of Godzilla. Or is this another one of these argument I win like usual?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
NONE of which are close to as durable as Godzilla. That's like saying look I punched threw a paper bag... that means I can punch through a wall. That isn't proof in the least, in fact it's far from it. By as you say, you be you.

He flew at people three times and not once not ONCE did he impale somebody or even KO them... he flew at Zod.. Nam.. and Faora and literally nothing happened. No impaling.. no ko.. nothing. Now, provide proof of him doing so to somebody actively fighting back or near the durability and regeneration of Godzilla.

Or is this another one of these argument I win like usual?

LoL, what now? First you claimed Superman never used himself as a missile; now that you're proven wrong you flip tactics. Anyhow. Kryptonian metal is extrememly durable. The suits alone took massive beatings with little to no damage shown.

Can you not understand the difference between flying into Zod who's around 6'3 and 220lbs compared to Godzilla(Edit: cant' find exact weight, but over 100K tons seems the consensus)? LOL!

This is another argument where you illustrate to all that you lack critical thinking skills and have next to zero knowledge about Superman. Sadly so.

Originally posted by juggerman
You're wrong.

1. He wasn't "put down" by the oil rig. It collapsed. And since he couldn't fly at that point in time, he fell into the water. If anything it was gravity that "put him down"

2. He was never KO'd by Nam

3. Moved=/=hurt so pointless

4. No he really wasn't. Not one time.

5. But that's the point. He was fighting people that were equal to him. Here he is fighting a monster. He isn't going to trade blows with Zilla like he would Zod. That's a very silly stance to have. He would fight to the best of his ability against the opponent and he approach would change given what his opponent is. I'm not saying he will come up with some super creative master plan, but he would clearly fight Zilla much differently than he fought Zod and company

Totally and completely false... He was KO"d by Nam.. Just watch the video.. You can see him lying on the ground NOT MOVING face down. Clearly he was out. They even have time to walk up to him and gloat about their win.. turn him over and he still hasn't moved. Finally by moving him and turning him over he finally starts to show some life. He was mostly certainly temporarily KO'd by Nam. He was also KO'd by the oil rig... if you believe falling in the water KO"d him then that is even a worse showing than I think. For you to even say that crushes your own argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8wmvjNf9FQ

Doesn't matter if they permanently hurt him.. bullets effected him.. Atomic breathe would crush him.

That the thing.. he used NO strategy when fighting them. That's my point. In any situation.. he decided to meet it head on. The world engine beam... he didn't try and throw stuff at it... use a distraction to occupy the tentacles... He meet the huge machine head one. That is how he did everything. Which is to say he makes bad choices and lacks the warrior gene in him. This is stated over and over again with him growing up on a farm. He was a horrible idea to meet 3 people like you head on.. but he did just that. So you saying it's a horrible idea to meet Godzilla head one.. well going by what we see.. that his likely strat. Sorry bud, just how it is.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, what now? First you claimed Superman never used himself as a missile; now that you're proven wrong you flip tactics. Anyhow. Kryptonian metal is extrememly durable. The suits alone took massive beatings with little to no damage shown.

Can you not understand the difference between flying into Zod who's around 6'3 and 250lbs compared to Godzilla? LOL!

This is another argument where you illustrate to all that you lack critical thinking skills and have next to zero knowledge about Superman. Sadly so.

Lack critical thinking skills LOLS... Pot meet kettle. What does that say about you since you've never beaten me in a debate yet. In fact, you've run from debates after losing.

Not only do you lack critical thinking skills but lack reading comprehension. I never said when did superman fly at somebody. not once did I ever question he did that. What I did question was your STRATEGY of impaling Godzilla and flying right through him to his brains or insides. THAT is what I asked for proof of, and as usual you're unable to provide any proof to back up your claim. in fact, the proof is weighted so much on the other side it's almost comical seeing you trying to cheerlead it. He flew at nam.. nothing... He flew at Faora... nothing.. flew at Zod.. nothing. Not a KO.. not a impaling... nothing. That's the point.

Here we go.. once again you've crushed your own argument and don't even know it. That is how bad you are at this. Superman BARELY struck a panel of Kryptonian metal and hole was made. The world engine.. all examples of Kryptonian metal not being durable or needing much to break. Thanks for playing.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lack critical thinking skills LOLS... Pot meet kettle. What does that say about you since you've never beaten me in a debate yet. In fact, you've run from debates after losing.

Not only do you lack critical thinking skills but lack reading comprehension. I never said when did superman fly at somebody. not once did I ever question he did that. What I did question was your STRATEGY of impaling Godzilla and flying right through him to his brains or insides. THAT is what I asked for proof of, and as usual you're unable to provide any proof to back up your claim. in fact, the proof is weighted so much on the other side it's almost comical seeing you trying to cheerlead it. He flew at nam.. nothing... He flew at Faora... nothing.. flew at Zod.. nothing. Not a KO.. not a impaling... nothing. That's the point.

Here we go.. once again you've crushed your own argument and don't even know it. That is how bad you are at this. Superman BARELY struck a panel of Kryptonian metal and hole was made. The world engine.. all examples of Kryptonian metal not being durable or needing much to break. Thanks for playing.

So a "no you!" retort coupled with some self back-patting. Moving on.

Except I provided two showings where Superman used his body to fly through something. ie "like a missile". See how silly you're looking to everyone?

So when you can't counter, you now make up some nonsense about Krpytonian metal now being weak when we see withstand anti-tank bullets, missiles and punches from Kryptonians. That's another silly tactic, zero-critical-thinking-guy.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
1. Totally and completely false... He was KO"d by Nam.. Just watch the video.. You can see him lying on the ground NOT MOVING face down. Clearly he was out. They even have time to walk up to him and gloat about their win.. turn him over and he still hasn't moved. Finally by moving him and turning him over he finally starts to show some life. He was mostly certainly temporarily KO'd by Nam. He was also KO'd by the oil rig... if you believe falling in the water KO"d him then that is even a worse showing than I think. For you to even say that crushes your own argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8wmvjNf9FQ

2. Doesn't matter if they permanently hurt him.. bullets effected him.. Atomic breathe would crush him.

3. That the thing.. he used NO strategy when fighting them. That's my point. In any situation.. he decided to meet it head on. The world engine beam... he didn't try and throw stuff at it... use a distraction to occupy the tentacles... He meet the huge machine head one. That is how he did everything. Which is to say he makes bad choices and lacks the warrior gene in him. This is stated over and over again with him growing up on a farm. He was a horrible idea to meet 3 people like you head on.. but he did just that. So you saying it's a horrible idea to meet Godzilla head one.. well going by what we see.. that his likely strat. Sorry bud, just how it is.

1. 1st of all your own video shows it wasn't just Nam but both of them beating on him. Nam threw him and Faora punched him. Him being dazed after that does not mean he was KO'd. Shaken up? Sure. Hurt? Possibly. KO'd? Not a chance. He fighting back seconds later. Hardly a KO.

2. Moved=/=affected. At least not in the way you are making out to be

3. Actually he did use strategy against the World Engine. HE didn't just rush it head on. It was trying to grab him and he was dipping and dodging it. Not just meeting the tenticles head on and fighting them. And, as Rob said, he used his body as a missle and destroyed it. No reason to think he wouldn't think of it for Zilla

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Lack critical thinking skills LOLS... Pot meet kettle. What does that say about you since you've never beaten me in a debate yet. In fact, you've run from debates after losing.

Not only do you lack critical thinking skills but lack reading comprehension. I never said when did superman fly at somebody. not once did I ever question he did that. What I did question was your STRATEGY of impaling Godzilla and flying right through him to his brains or insides. THAT is what I asked for proof of, and as usual you're unable to provide any proof to back up your claim. in fact, the proof is weighted so much on the other side it's almost comical seeing you trying to cheerlead it. He flew at nam.. nothing... He flew at Faora... nothing.. flew at Zod.. nothing. Not a KO.. not a impaling... nothing. That's the point.

Here we go.. once again you've crushed your own argument and don't even know it. That is how bad you are at this. Superman BARELY struck a panel of Kryptonian metal and hole was made. The world engine.. all examples of Kryptonian metal not being durable or needing much to break. Thanks for playing.

Kryptonian metal not being durable or easy to break? Lol, so space travel, tanking HV, Bullets, Missiles.

Him striking the panel shows how strong strong they are.

If a astronaut hits the inside of the space station, he's going to hurt his hand. If a Krytonian does it, even if it is strong, its obvious they are stronger. Does not mean the metal is weak. Means Kryptonian's with power are stronger.

Originally posted by Robtard
So a "no you!" retort coupled with some self back-patting. Moving on.

Except I provided two showings where Superman used his body to fly through something. ie "like a missile". See how silly you're looking to everyone?

So when you can't counter, you now make up some nonsense about Krpytonian metal now being weak. That's another silly tactic, zero-critical-thinking-guy.

God you're bad at this. Him flying though a object NOT fighting back or moving is the same as doing so to something living and actively fighting back? How stupid are you Rob? I'm generally curious. Those aren't close to the same thing and are far far from proof. I asked for proof of him doing to someone he was fighting. You come back with him flying through a ship.. and flying at the world engine.. All non living... not fighting back objects and you think you proved something? BRAVO.. only Robtard would call that proof. Now please provide the proof I'm asking for or concede supes never did so on screen.

Never said it was weak... but what I am doing is illustrating WITH PROOF that Kryptonian metal isn't all that you are claiming. He certainly has it shares of low showings. However, being that you're a piss poor debater you only chose to look at the highs or a directorial error (take your pick) about the suits. When we see other showings for Kryptonian metal which are.. very lackluster. So what's superman's suit made out of... It also took shot after shot and through buildings.. heat.. blasts by gun ship.. nothing. Do tell what it was made out of and why nothing ever happened to it? Could it be the common theme of fights happen and clothing remains in tact. Do you know how many movies are made showing.. fights.. explosions.. and yet clothes still remain in tact. This is almost a regular thing in movies. Clothes that should be destroyed or tattered appear like brand new... yet here... omg those suits must be made of adamantium and hard the hardest material EVERZORZ!!!! ohhh wait... kryptonian metal also failed miserably and from weak strikes. LOL> Damn this is too easy Robbie.

Originally posted by Robtard
So a "no you!" retort coupled with some self back-patting. Moving on.

Except I provided two showings where Superman used his body to fly through something. ie "like a missile". See how silly you're looking to everyone?

So when you can't counter, you now make up some nonsense about Krpytonian metal now being weak when we see withstand anti-tank bullets, missiles and punches from Kryptonians. That's another silly tactic, zero-critical-thinking-guy.

Agreed, Its apparent when Krptonians have powers, earth metals and krptonian metals don't matter much, when Kal was first using his powers he pulled that door off the Rig like it was nothing, hitting the ship hull another example of how strong they are. Their powers override even their own tech in terms of strength and durability.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Kryptonian metal not being durable or easy to break? Lol, so space travel, tanking HV, Bullets, Missiles.

Him striking the panel shows how strong strong they are.

If a astronaut hits the inside of the space station, he's going to hurt his hand. If a Krytonian does it, even if it is strong, its obvious they are stronger. Does not mean the metal is weak. Means Kryptonian's with power are stronger.

No it doesn't... Clark BARELY tried and did a backhanded strike and it shattered with ease. Yet, he unleashed full powered normal punches on the Kryptonians and their suits and it did nothing to them. Didn't even dent them.. nothing. You're preaching to the choir bud, I know all the things a ship has to endure in space, which is my point. They wouldn't make it weak.. they would make it very durable. Yet it was EASILY destroyed with a half ass trying backhand strike. Thus, it wasn't that strong. We see clark trying his hardest and punching the suits and nothing happens. Which of course is a common thing in movies and the clothing of people. Nothing happens to them. It's a common thing. I believe the same thing happened here. Kryptonian metal isn't weak i'm sure, but the point is, it's not as strong as some are claiming.