Is Galen Marek actually stronger then Vader?

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
My apologies. I wasn't trying to imply that's what you meant. I was just adding that bit about the books because I don't follow the in-game theories, such as TFUII Starkiller winning with lightning rods, as they weren't in the book.

didn't Starkiller beat Vader in the TFU II novel by using trickery after Vader had defeated him and only spared him because he wanted him alive?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Both have the same level of legitimacy. You can't just disregard other C-canon.

Except when one contradicts the other, the novel is held to a higher standard than the video game. Isn't that correct? And Emperordmb, it was more an epiphany. He realized Vader wouldn't kill him, so he allowed Vader to disarm him. When Vader's guard was down, he unleashed (no pun intended) a concentrated burst of Force lightning into Vader, over powering the new insulation in his suit. Vader went down and the Rebels took him into custody.

No. The novel is not held in higher regard by the standard such things are judge. The old system holds books and games on the same level of canonicity.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
Except when one contradicts the other, the novel is held to a higher standard than the video game. Isn't that correct? And Emperordmb, it was more an epiphany. He realized Vader wouldn't kill him, so he allowed Vader to disarm him. When Vader's guard was down, he unleashed (no pun intended) a concentrated burst of Force lightning into Vader, over powering the new insulation in his suit. Vader went down and the Rebels took him into custody.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No. The novel is not held in higher regard by the standard such things are judge. The old system holds books and games on the same level of canonicity.

Then how do you explain the final battle?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
After realizing it would be very risky for him to beat Vader in straight up combat?

And here.

So they were almost dead even.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
So they were almost dead even.

Well, there is a quote earlier, that says Starkiller believes the best he could get would be a stalemate, but at that time he's sort of piecing Vader's intentions together, so I don't know how literal to take it. But it is there. I can try to find it if you want.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
Then how do you explain the final battle?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Both are just as legitimate as the other and we have to judge by which one is the most consistent with the established character.

And how are lighting rods consistent with the established character? If there are two sources, both of which are the same level of canon, the novel is where we lean when there is a discrepancy between the two. I just don't understand how a video game cut scene outweighs the novel.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
And how are lighting rods consistent with the established character? If there are two sources, both of which are the same level of canon, the novel is where we lean when there is a discrepancy between the two. I just don't understand how a video game cut scene outweighs the novel.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Neither outweighs the other, it's up to your own personal preference for what you think the character is. Honest Galen Marek in the novel is way crazier than Galen Marek in the game, so no, the novel isn't my go to source.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t395661.html

The lightning rod scene would be gameplay mechanics, would it not? That would put it as N-canon, unless backed up by the novel, which it isn't.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t395661.html

The lightning rod scene would be gameplay mechanics, would it not? That would put it as N-canon, unless backed up by the novel, which it isn't.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Cutscenes and gameplay mechanics are decidedly different. Game mechanics are player chosen and can happen differently each time, while cutscenes are absolutes within the game.

Cutscenes with button combinations? Still, if that's how we're looking at it, then we can't really say TFUII Starkiller was equal to TFUII Vader, since, according to the game, he was legitimately beaten by Starkiller, lightning rod or not.

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
Cutscenes with button combinations? Still, if that's how we're looking at it, then we can't really say TFUII Starkiller was equal to TFUII Vader, since, according to the game, he was legitimately beaten by Starkiller, lightning rod or not.

It is very clear in both the book and game that the two are on pretty much the exact same level.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Cutscenes with button combinations that go the same way no matter what. Vader still wanted to take him alive, and as shown by that particular cutscene could've killed him if that were his desire, and only lost because of the environment.

It is very clear in both the book and game that the two are on pretty much the exact same level.

So, what is your opinion on the lightning rods, and novels vs games, in the event of a contradiction?

Originally posted by Kalen Sykes
So, what is your opinion on the lightning rods, and novels vs games, in the event of a contradiction?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'd probably lean novels.

Fair enough.

Just because I couldn't find it earlier, and I wanted to use it:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t504029.html

I know there are more somewhere, but I wouldn't know where to look.