Originally posted by Firefly218
I'd consider Star Wars a fantasy, not science fiction. For one, it's set in the past, not the future. All powers and abilities are explained by a mystical Jedi religion.
the force was described as an "energy field" in ep4. add the ridiculous midichlorians in ep2, and a jedi's power is actually rooted in a biological ability to manipulate this energy field. but hold on, theres also a living force that has a will. a sort of god, really, seemingly rooted in magic. which is it? magic or science? both? thats up to george lucas...well disney, now.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
but hold on, theres also a living force that has a will. a sort of god, really, seemingly rooted in magic.
That's how I interpreted it. From what I understood Midi-chlorians aren't actually THE tangible force, but can best communicate with it. The force is more of a mystical, enigmatic entity - god like.
Science Fiction: fiction dealing principally with the impact of actual or imagined science on society or individuals or having a scientific factor as an essential orienting component
Magic: a power that allows people (such as witches and wizards) to do impossible things by saying special words or performing special actions
an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source
Taken from merriam-webster.com
Still think that 'Science Fiction' fits better in describing Dr. Manhattan, considering his powers came from a science experiment accident and movie-science is used to explain what he does.
Originally posted by Firefly218Yeah, it's more fantastical than science fiction. I agree completely.
I'd consider Star Wars a fantasy, not science fiction. For one, it's set in the past, not the future. All powers and abilities are explained by a mystical Jedi religion.
Basically focus wants to ignore the definitions of the words to sell his case.
Originally posted by Lestov16
I guess you could look at it that way if you want to. I've just always believed that magic is just science that doesn't correlate with our science but produces physical effects.
It not really a way to look at it. That is the definition of the word and deals usually with the supernatural.
Now in relation to your perspective on the definition, yes I agree that unknowns in science can also be viewed as magic but that does not make it so.
Originally posted by Firefly218
By whose definition. When fantasy and science fiction are considered distinct genres, Star Wars fits more in the fantasy realm
star wars relies more heavily on the technology of that universe than it's mysticism. even the mystics require lightsabers and starships and droids.
yes it has a strong element of fantasy that star trek tends to not have, but to assert that it's not rooted in scifi is absurd.
Originally posted by Firefly218
By whose definition. When fantasy and science fiction are considered distinct genres, Star Wars fits more in the fantasy realm
The dictionary. It fits both, by definition.
But if we want to get more technical, Star Wars is considered a "space opera", which is a facet of science fiction.
As someone once explained to me, science fiction has to have at least one foot somewhat planted in the real world, ie, the science should extrapolate from what we know today. Fantasy, otoh, doesn't have to have anything to do with the real world. The only thing required (and of scifi, too), is that the fantasy world be internally consistent.
Then there's "science fantasy," where the science is so extrapolated, it may involve Clarke's Third Law ("Any tech sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic"😉. Or, it's an outright mix of science and "traditional" magic (ie, magic based on some preternatural force).
I consider Star Wars science fantasy of the second type.
Originally posted by Robtard
The dictionary. It fits both, by definition.But if we want to get more technical, Star Wars is considered a "space opera", which is a facet of science fiction.
Fantasy and Science Fiction are widely regarded as distinct genres. Sure they have overlapping qualities. Is a thriller/suspense movie the same as a horror movie?
Star Wars has science fiction qualities, but overall, it fits best in fantasy.
Originally posted by Lestov16
To me, magic is just science practiced by people who don't have particle accelerators to actually examine the quanta of the magical fields they're generating. They have no knowledge of the scientific facts of their powers (every physical occurrence, whether "natural" or "magical", can be studied under some field of science), so they just write it off as "magic" or "the gods". Same way that people of ancient times believed divine beings were responsible for natural weather phenomenon. Magic is just science beyond our understanding. By that same gesture, science is magic we do understand.
That is a very narrow view of the word magic. You viewpoint only applies to the unknown in science. Yes, it can be unknown science but also much more.
According to the definition of magic it is not bound or held to the laws of science. Many times it is derived from a supernatural source that is most likely not of our realm. It is power that can create new laws within science.
That is magic.
In the real world if you do not believe in deities then you only see magic as unknown science if you believe in deities then you view magic as coming from a source outside of the physical realm.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Fantasy and Science Fiction are widely regarded as distinct genres. Sure they have overlapping qualities. Is a thriller/suspense movie the same as a horror movie?Star Wars has science fiction qualities, but overall, it fits best in fantasy.
Wiki and wookipedia list "space opera" and "science fiction".
Seems the best fit is "science fantasy", because it has shitloads of scifi elements such as space travel, laser weapons etc. But obvious fantasy elements as The Force and baby Jesus Anakin.
http://scifi.about.com/od/starwarsglossaryandfaq/a/Star-Wars-Faq-Is-Star-Wars-Sci-Fi-Or-Fantasy.htm
edit: Just noticed Mindship basically covered it already
Originally posted by quanchi112
People have already destroyed your terrible case. You really don't debate very well. Condolences.
In your butthurt-rage to get something over Focus4Chumps and jump on anyone's dick to steal their opinion, you didn't take the small amount of time to research and see for yourself that Star Wars is as much science fiction as it is fantasy. Both terms fit, especially combined together.
http://scifi.about.com/od/starwarsg...-Or-Fantasy.htm
Condolences.
Originally posted by RobtardI never said that it didn't. Just as Star Trek uses fantastical elements as well though I view it primarily as science fiction. The same applies to Star Wars though I view it primarily as fantasy. Force, kiddo.
In your butthurt-rage to get something over Focus4Chumps and jump on anyone's dick to steal their opinion, you didn't take the small amount of time to research and see for yourself that Star Wars is as much science fiction as it is fantasy. Both terms fit, especially combined together.http://scifi.about.com/od/starwarsg...-Or-Fantasy.htm
Condolences.
Originally posted by RobtardNow quit riding mindship's coattails.
Wiki and wookipedia list "space opera" and "science fiction".Seems the best fit is "science fantasy", because it has shitloads of scifi elements such as space travel, laser weapons etc. But obvious fantasy elements as The Force and baby Jesus Anakin.
http://scifi.about.com/od/starwarsglossaryandfaq/a/Star-Wars-Faq-Is-Star-Wars-Sci-Fi-Or-Fantasy.htm
edit: Just noticed Mindship basically covered it already
Originally posted by RobtardI said it has both elements but is primarily science fiction whereas the other is primarily fantasy. Agreeing with another poster isn't homosexual. Relax.
You jumped on Firefly's dick to try and have a go at someone else and you came off looking like an idiot cos you were too lazy to do a few minutes of research.I said from the start "it fits both", which is what FF and I were discussing. Now ride my nuts as typical and claim you think the same.